subzero0 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

MS wrote:That's the big issue. What is the plan here?

Our big weakness last year was never scoring. It was defense. What's are weakness now? Scoring and defense. Just make sure you're improving on something before you make a deal.

We could have had Chandler this offseason if we didn't trade for Melo. Which would have made us a better team than we are now with guys that could keep improving. We would also have our amnesity to us use.

Defense is actually a strength now.

And yes, the offense is still being figured out. Baron helps. It also helps if Melo and Amar'e are on the court.

Man, you guys realize 24 hours ago how different ALL OF YOU sounded?

All of who? MS, Raven, many others, and I have consistently disagreed with the path the team is on.

You can add me to that group.

Bonn1997 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:This team is not garbage we're just not playing well right now. Let's get healthy and watch some games and talk a bit later. Threads like this make me sick. Is this a Knicks fan forum or hater forum, can't much tell the difference at times!

It depends on what "garbage" means. I don't think it's a .400 team. But after being terrible for 3 years just to clear cap space, we should get something far better than .500. Even mediocre GMs can put together .500 teams without having to sacrifice several years to get cap space and without having to add several long-term max or near max contract players that limit cap flexibility.

Yeah, garbage is a bad word imho.
The team sometimes plays like garbage, but has enough talent not to, which is infuriating.

My opinion for which I got flamed is: I don't think this is a championship caliber team, unless insane string of luck.
I don't trust Melo as a main star and would have prefered to see Amare play with an elite point guard before anything else.

So if we can't win a championship, what's the point of selling youth + cap space in exchange for 2nd tier stars?

That's all.

So if Amare and Carmelo are 2-tier stars and we don't pay big money for them, our 2011 squad looks like....what? And who then signs up for a Knicks team that was just barely north of "laughingstock" status. Help me out here.

raven wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:This team is not garbage we're just not playing well right now. Let's get healthy and watch some games and talk a bit later. Threads like this make me sick. Is this a Knicks fan forum or hater forum, can't much tell the difference at times!

It depends on what "garbage" means. I don't think it's a .400 team. But after being terrible for 3 years just to clear cap space, we should get something far better than .500. Even mediocre GMs can put together .500 teams without having to sacrifice several years to get cap space and without having to add several long-term max or near max contract players that limit cap flexibility.

Yeah, garbage is a bad word imho.
The team sometimes plays like garbage, but has enough talent not to, which is infuriating.

My opinion for which I got flamed is: I don't think this is a championship caliber team, unless insane string of luck.
I don't trust Melo as a main star and would have prefered to see Amare play with an elite point guard before anything else.

So if we can't win a championship, what's the point of selling youth + cap space in exchange for 2nd tier stars?

That's all.

Melo is about on the same tier as Dirk, as in they can win as the focal point with the right supporting cast. He isn't on the same level as LeBron, Wade and Howard where you can surround them with trash and they can still find a way to be competitive. Those guys impact both sides of the court at a high level.

Only question I have for this team is why don't we run the triangle??? I would have fired MD by now an got any coach who runs the system.

In my thread I want to use mr Wik and say melo would go here and this is Stat, but everybody knows the deal with the triangle here........I think.

Melo is our best post player and Amare likes to float around 10 feet away from the basket, how are we not running this offense??? Feilds and Shumps are cutters. Everybody else is a spot up shooter. How are still trying to run 7seconds or less without a point guard???

And I really don't see how people talk about the trade anymore. Denver has two players from the trade playing and replaced a couple players from last years ending team and Karl is still doing a great job. I don't see how you take that as "if they were here we would winning", when it clearly is karl can plug in any lesser tanlets into his system right now and get them to play hard.

I think it's fool gold and there is no way that team could actually win anything in Denver, but it's a great system to point at and moan and cry about. To compare to this, team were we have triangle pegs trying to be jammed into a round hole, it's not fare.

This is a very good team still gelling and season will prove that as this guys play together. Even going with MD this team will have way more good than bad and is built to beat playoff teams.

airchibundo507 wrote:

raven wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:This team is not garbage we're just not playing well right now. Let's get healthy and watch some games and talk a bit later. Threads like this make me sick. Is this a Knicks fan forum or hater forum, can't much tell the difference at times!

It depends on what "garbage" means. I don't think it's a .400 team. But after being terrible for 3 years just to clear cap space, we should get something far better than .500. Even mediocre GMs can put together .500 teams without having to sacrifice several years to get cap space and without having to add several long-term max or near max contract players that limit cap flexibility.

Yeah, garbage is a bad word imho.
The team sometimes plays like garbage, but has enough talent not to, which is infuriating.

My opinion for which I got flamed is: I don't think this is a championship caliber team, unless insane string of luck.
I don't trust Melo as a main star and would have prefered to see Amare play with an elite point guard before anything else.

So if we can't win a championship, what's the point of selling youth + cap space in exchange for 2nd tier stars?

That's all.

Melo is about on the same tier as Dirk, as in they can win as the focal point with the right supporting cast. He isn't on the same level as LeBron, Wade and Howard where you can surround them with trash and they can still find a way to be competitive. Those guys impact both sides of the court at a high level.

OK, I may get flamed again for this, but I would take Dirk over Melo with no regret.
Dirk has size, is a great teammate and an admired pro with great attitude. Never complain, always worked his butt off while Melo has been known for mailing games all the time.

Other than that, I definitely agree with on the fact that only a few guys are elite, the others are all stars, and history shows taht you need elite players to win.

Bonn1997 wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:That's the word. I feel I am poignant at all times.

It's never as good nor as bad as it seems.

I would prefer not to rest our hopes on Baron Davis, but it can turn out well. This morning, I am feeling positive.

Are you sure the past decade was not as bad as it seemed?

Hahaha, the past decade was a nightmare.

But now, with this team, it is far from the Eddy Curry days.

It's definitely better than those days but by how much remains to be seen.

This is true.

I wanted to say that we are back on the map, but this is dangerously close to the sentiment many held after the Marbury trade. Time will tell if this will turn out better.

Uptown wrote:

misterearl wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

misterearl wrote:The Donnie Walsh Master Plan

(Correction and Upgrade)

Felton
Fields
Gallinari
Stoudemire
Tyson Chandler (Stat gets the paint back with Felton and Fields smiling at each other)

Bibby
Shumpert
Wilson Chandler
Anthony Randolph
Timofey Mozgov (quality depth, size, scoring and defense to hold leads, did someone say Minute Men?)

Jeremy Lin
Toney Douglas, resting his shoulder
Shawne Williams, who is pissed that he must work hard for minutes
Jared Jeffries for comic relief
Josh Harrellson (Gar-BAGE time is time for auditions)

Just so everyone is on the same page here - you're pining for a team that was 28-26.

And people are complaining about the Knicks beating easy teams. When the Felton/Gallo team fattened up with 13 wins in a row against easy teams.

That 13 game winning streak hides the fact that the team was under .500 in November and January. Take away that streak, when Amar'e was playing out of his mind (something we haven't seen since, including pre-Melo) and the team was 15-26.

Pine on you crazy diamond.

The Crazy Diamond Pines On At The Pine Barrons (A Donnie Walsh Master Plan Update)

Forget the 13 game wining streak crzymdups, lets look at the BALANCE SHEET from last night:

(the operative word is BALANCE)

OUR Starters

Felton (13 points and 7 assists in a loss to the Spurs)
Fields (free to move without the ball again)
Gallinari (14 points, 5 rebounds in the Miami win)
Stoudemire (the captain gets his groove back)
Tyson Chandler (playing in NYC because he wanted to play with Stoudemire, Felton promised to get him the pill)

OUR Reserves

Baron Davis (hung around in New York after the labor talks, his SAG card works in a lot of places here)
Shumpert (brought along slower)
Shawne Williams (we already KNOW Extra E can shoot it)
Anthony Randolph (averaging 7 points and 3 rebounds and shooting 54 per cent from the floor, not bad)
Timofey Mozgov (started, outplayed the Miami big men last night with 12 points, 7 rebounds, three blocks and a juicy +16 in the win)

OUR Pine Brothers

Jeremy Lin
Corey Brewer (averaging 7 points and 2 rebounds for Denver)
Wilson Chandler (MIA, he slides to guard with OUR reserves and everything is up tight - out of sight)
Jared Jeffries
Josh Harrellson

Quality depth. Yoots. Enthusiasm. Size. Trust. Scoring and defense. Minimally, 7-8 guys in double figures every night, what's not to like?

Did I mention we still have draft picks?

Since we are stuck in the past and cant move forward and live in the here and now, forget last years possible line up, I want to talk about the possibilities of the 1988 Knicks squad. I still cant get over how we let Bernard King walk after he worked extremely hard to rehabilitate his knee. Chekc this line up:

Our Starters

Patrick Ewing (the paint defender and up and coming offensive allstar)
Sidney Green (rebounder supreme and grunt worker)
Bernard King (One of the best scoring machines the game has ever seen with a surgically repaired knee)
Mark Jackson (Rookie of the year gem found mid-late first round)
Gerald Wilkins (killer finisher on the break and good defender on the perimeter)

Pine Brothers

Kenny "Sky" Walker
Bill Cartwright (could play twin towers at times)
Johnny Newman (suprise FA pick up and 3 point bomber)
Trent Tucker (another 3 point bomber(

That team had tremendous potential. 20+ yrs later, I still cant get over that team. Carmelo who????

+1 Funny sheehit.

You forgot:
Chris McNealy (Defensive sparkplug third unit off the pine)

And we never should have traded Lonnie Shelton. He was really really black.