FoeDiddy wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:Amare melo Tyson Shump and a competent pg>>> Dwight, melo and competent pg IMO

You add Amare, Tyson, Shump, and a "competent" PG (no one's mentioned including Melo with Amare in a trade) to that NBDL roster in Orlando and you think they're winning 59 games like they have with Dwight? That roster here on the Knicks doesn't look like a 59 win team.

The roster they have now is not the roster that won 59 games. Also the east they played in to win 59 games is not the same east now. How did Orlando fair last year?

Howard-Melo-Shumpert for 10yrs the other pieces can be retooled.

Howard is going to hit a time frame when he starts dominating championships or going to every other one fighting off Lebron. We can either be apart of that or be on the sideline watching.

Tyson Chandler
Amare

they seem to both have taken on the leadership with Melo. Especially for Tyson Chandler, I have always liked him and felt he was been under valued/rated for majority of his career.
Its not surprising to me that he can score, however, it is surprising that he is doing it with a "great" PnR PG. He has a great effect on Iman and has a lot of respect from the coaching staff, players, and the rest of our league.

As great as Dwight Howard is, I am not sure if he mentally has the ability to be the leadership skills, communication, and basketball IQ that Chandler has.
If Dwight Howard is traded, its hard to imagine Orlando not trying to get rid of Turkeglu. Unless they are getting back a young player in their rookie contract with another 1-2 players. For example lets say

Westbrook
Ibaka
Perkins

or

Curry or Monta
Wright or Klay Thompson
Biedrins
Brandon Rush
picks

or

Kevin Love
Darko
Anthony Randolph

RonRon wrote:

MS wrote:Dwight > Amare and Chandler
Let's go over this for the slow people.

Amare Chandler 33pts 17.5rbs 2.4blks
Dwight Howard 18.6pts 14.6rbs 2.8blocks

Keep these numbers in mind
Stat 7 games played (122 shots) (52fts)
Dwight 9 games played (110 shots) (82fts)

Boris Diaw with Amare guarding him (19pts, 10rbs 7ass - 27pts 6asst)
Boris Diaw in all other games (2pts, 10pts, 5pts, 0pts)

Again you build a team the right way. You do it with defense and mismatches. Tyson Chandler is an average big man, with average numbers and limited offensive skill. He's not effective when he has to play help defense.

And before someone tells me that the numbers above are greater so are the number of chandler, gallo, felton, moz, ar, first round picks and cash for a guy that is supposed to be elite. So elite that this team has lost to the warriors with curry, the lakers without bynum, blown out by the bobcats, embarrassed by the raptors, needs a 3 pointer with time running down vs the worst team in the league and barely beats the bobcats at home in a rematch. The Knicks were gifted a schedule. If you have two superstars you should be a lot better than 5-4 especially if you just signed an elite big man.

Yes, watching Amare being toasted by Diaw, twice is not acceptable. This is the reason why I proposed the Ray Allen/KG trade for Amare and TD, Fields, and Jorts.
I was actually quite surprised by the response I got. Like the deal we gave up for Carmelo Anthony was crazy and this deal I am talking about, would give us the ability to sign Dwight Howard, assuming he isn't traded. We wouldn't trade till the final hours at the deadline anyway. KG + Tyson Chandler is a great tandem + Ray Allen is shooting the lights out this year. Most importantly, going this route, we don't have to add Turkeglu's contract. Although they are old, they are respectively one of the top players in their positions. They are both UFA in the end of the season. Its possible we can resign one of them at a discount to pair up with Dwight Howard or Deron Williams...
In fact, if we do the trade with Boston, then trade Chandler to a team under the cap, we can gain an exemption to use.
Allowing us to have

Deron Williams
Shumpert
Anthony
PF
Dwight Howard

If KG and Ray Allen resigns at a discount, we would be the favorites by far to win it all with that squad. And this would make us contenders, with some youth for the next decade.
Or if Carmelo is willing to restructure his deal, making a little less but resigning another 5 year deal and If Dwight Howard is willing to take slightly less to pair up with KG/Ray Allen, I am pretty sure his New York impact would earn him a lot of extra $ in commercials/sneaker deals.

Ryan Anderson is another nice sleeper pick to pair up with Dwight Howard, with next year being his qualifying offer. I am not sure if Tyson Chandler would work with Dwight Howard but, his contract is only 3 more years after this year. He is having his best year so far and should be very tradeable to many teams, possibly even back to Dallas, if they miss out on Deron/Dwight. Regardless, TC is an asset, that has good trade value. A center of his caliber that emphasizes defense, team play, leadership, and communication is worth every penny for 3 years at his age. He is easily one of the best defensive centers after Dwight Howard, Chandler is probably 2nd.

Dude give it a rest. This idea you keep proposing is so unrealistic.

colombian0725 wrote:

RonRon wrote:

MS wrote:Dwight > Amare and Chandler
Let's go over this for the slow people.

Amare Chandler 33pts 17.5rbs 2.4blks
Dwight Howard 18.6pts 14.6rbs 2.8blocks

Keep these numbers in mind
Stat 7 games played (122 shots) (52fts)
Dwight 9 games played (110 shots) (82fts)

Boris Diaw with Amare guarding him (19pts, 10rbs 7ass - 27pts 6asst)
Boris Diaw in all other games (2pts, 10pts, 5pts, 0pts)

Again you build a team the right way. You do it with defense and mismatches. Tyson Chandler is an average big man, with average numbers and limited offensive skill. He's not effective when he has to play help defense.

And before someone tells me that the numbers above are greater so are the number of chandler, gallo, felton, moz, ar, first round picks and cash for a guy that is supposed to be elite. So elite that this team has lost to the warriors with curry, the lakers without bynum, blown out by the bobcats, embarrassed by the raptors, needs a 3 pointer with time running down vs the worst team in the league and barely beats the bobcats at home in a rematch. The Knicks were gifted a schedule. If you have two superstars you should be a lot better than 5-4 especially if you just signed an elite big man.

Yes, watching Amare being toasted by Diaw, twice is not acceptable. This is the reason why I proposed the Ray Allen/KG trade for Amare and TD, Fields, and Jorts.
I was actually quite surprised by the response I got. Like the deal we gave up for Carmelo Anthony was crazy and this deal I am talking about, would give us the ability to sign Dwight Howard, assuming he isn't traded. We wouldn't trade till the final hours at the deadline anyway. KG + Tyson Chandler is a great tandem + Ray Allen is shooting the lights out this year. Most importantly, going this route, we don't have to add Turkeglu's contract. Although they are old, they are respectively one of the top players in their positions. They are both UFA in the end of the season. Its possible we can resign one of them at a discount to pair up with Dwight Howard or Deron Williams...
In fact, if we do the trade with Boston, then trade Chandler to a team under the cap, we can gain an exemption to use.
Allowing us to have

Deron Williams
Shumpert
Anthony
PF
Dwight Howard

If KG and Ray Allen resigns at a discount, we would be the favorites by far to win it all with that squad. And this would make us contenders, with some youth for the next decade.
Or if Carmelo is willing to restructure his deal, making a little less but resigning another 5 year deal and If Dwight Howard is willing to take slightly less to pair up with KG/Ray Allen, I am pretty sure his New York impact would earn him a lot of extra $ in commercials/sneaker deals.

Ryan Anderson is another nice sleeper pick to pair up with Dwight Howard, with next year being his qualifying offer. I am not sure if Tyson Chandler would work with Dwight Howard but, his contract is only 3 more years after this year. He is having his best year so far and should be very tradeable to many teams, possibly even back to Dallas, if they miss out on Deron/Dwight. Regardless, TC is an asset, that has good trade value. A center of his caliber that emphasizes defense, team play, leadership, and communication is worth every penny for 3 years at his age. He is easily one of the best defensive centers after Dwight Howard, Chandler is probably 2nd.

Dude give it a rest. This idea you keep proposing is so unrealistic.

This entire thread is unrealistic. Dwight is not coming to NY.

DurzoBlint wrote:

colombian0725 wrote:

RonRon wrote:

MS wrote:Dwight > Amare and Chandler
Let's go over this for the slow people.

Amare Chandler 33pts 17.5rbs 2.4blks
Dwight Howard 18.6pts 14.6rbs 2.8blocks

Keep these numbers in mind
Stat 7 games played (122 shots) (52fts)
Dwight 9 games played (110 shots) (82fts)

Boris Diaw with Amare guarding him (19pts, 10rbs 7ass - 27pts 6asst)
Boris Diaw in all other games (2pts, 10pts, 5pts, 0pts)

Again you build a team the right way. You do it with defense and mismatches. Tyson Chandler is an average big man, with average numbers and limited offensive skill. He's not effective when he has to play help defense.

And before someone tells me that the numbers above are greater so are the number of chandler, gallo, felton, moz, ar, first round picks and cash for a guy that is supposed to be elite. So elite that this team has lost to the warriors with curry, the lakers without bynum, blown out by the bobcats, embarrassed by the raptors, needs a 3 pointer with time running down vs the worst team in the league and barely beats the bobcats at home in a rematch. The Knicks were gifted a schedule. If you have two superstars you should be a lot better than 5-4 especially if you just signed an elite big man.

Yes, watching Amare being toasted by Diaw, twice is not acceptable. This is the reason why I proposed the Ray Allen/KG trade for Amare and TD, Fields, and Jorts.
I was actually quite surprised by the response I got. Like the deal we gave up for Carmelo Anthony was crazy and this deal I am talking about, would give us the ability to sign Dwight Howard, assuming he isn't traded. We wouldn't trade till the final hours at the deadline anyway. KG + Tyson Chandler is a great tandem + Ray Allen is shooting the lights out this year. Most importantly, going this route, we don't have to add Turkeglu's contract. Although they are old, they are respectively one of the top players in their positions. They are both UFA in the end of the season. Its possible we can resign one of them at a discount to pair up with Dwight Howard or Deron Williams...
In fact, if we do the trade with Boston, then trade Chandler to a team under the cap, we can gain an exemption to use.
Allowing us to have

Deron Williams
Shumpert
Anthony
PF
Dwight Howard

If KG and Ray Allen resigns at a discount, we would be the favorites by far to win it all with that squad. And this would make us contenders, with some youth for the next decade.
Or if Carmelo is willing to restructure his deal, making a little less but resigning another 5 year deal and If Dwight Howard is willing to take slightly less to pair up with KG/Ray Allen, I am pretty sure his New York impact would earn him a lot of extra $ in commercials/sneaker deals.

Ryan Anderson is another nice sleeper pick to pair up with Dwight Howard, with next year being his qualifying offer. I am not sure if Tyson Chandler would work with Dwight Howard but, his contract is only 3 more years after this year. He is having his best year so far and should be very tradeable to many teams, possibly even back to Dallas, if they miss out on Deron/Dwight. Regardless, TC is an asset, that has good trade value. A center of his caliber that emphasizes defense, team play, leadership, and communication is worth every penny for 3 years at his age. He is easily one of the best defensive centers after Dwight Howard, Chandler is probably 2nd.

Dude give it a rest. This idea you keep proposing is so unrealistic.

This entire thread is unrealistic. Dwight is not coming to NY.

At least this thread his a link confirming these rumors rather their is a shot in hell. But the KG/Allen idea is unrealistic.

What Would Donnie Do?

misterearl wrote:WWDD

What Would Donnie Do?

he would realize we don't have the pieces to get it done. Lakers can field a better officer, Warriors can field a better offer...hell a shyt load of teams have more to offer.

the uninsured nature of Amare's knees kills any chance for Howard. You think they are in a tight spot now, if they made that deal and Amare suffered an injury, their fans would boycott. It defies logic and is not happening.

FoeDiddy wrote:Amare melo Tyson Shump and a competent pg>>> Dwight, melo and competent pg IMO

Word. Not even close on this one. Forget this starphuck and let's roll with our current team.