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ChuckBuck
Posts: 28851 Alba Posts: 11 Joined: 1/3/2012 Member: #3806 USA |
1/8/2012 11:25 AM
AnubisADL wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:AnubisADL wrote:I'm confused how Shumpert has proven anything we didn't know before the draft. So by that reasoning and highlight mix, we should've drafted Josh Selby (Age 20) also A mixtape and potential doesn't mean we should draft someone. Dude couldn't even dominate in Israel and Japan. Next thing you're going to want to sign Taurian Fontenette because he can do a 720 dunk. |
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misterearl
Posts: 38786 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 11/16/2004 Member: #799 USA |
1/8/2012 11:26 AM
Say What?
"Still takes suspect shots" WTF is a suspect shot? "Still misses suspect shots" see above "More SG than PG" Who cares? AnubisADL, labels are for food products and packages of dynamite. Not basketball players. The fact remains that Iman Shumpert on the floor changes the Knicks dramatically. Not matter how much people may want to nitpick him. Shumpert is a rookie who is a work in progress. He has shown the courage to play when not at 100 per cent and that is toughness that I thought New Yorkers appreciated. He has an opportunity to refine his game as the season progresses. To prejudge him with a bitter aftertaste is more like lime flavored haterade. once a knick always a knick
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AnubisADL
Posts: 27382 Alba Posts: 13 Joined: 6/29/2009 Member: #2771 USA |
1/8/2012 11:37 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:So by that reasoning and highlight mix, we should've drafted Josh Selby (Age 20) also It's not about highlights. The quality of NBA centers is TRASH. This is why guys like Kwame "No Hands" Brown get 7 million for a year. Same reason why 10 and 10 Chandler got 15 million per from us. I heard the same stuff about Deandre 2 years ago. Now he has a 4 year 40 million dollar deal. Jeremy Tyler has the tools to be a very solid NBA big. NY Knicks - Retirement home for players and GMs
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AnubisADL
Posts: 27382 Alba Posts: 13 Joined: 6/29/2009 Member: #2771 USA |
1/8/2012 11:39 AM
misterearl wrote:Say What? No one is hating. I have seen this episode before. Guys will hype him to no end then when he doesn't make a quantum leap in play next season people will throw him under the bus. Happens with everyone we draft. NY Knicks - Retirement home for players and GMs
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ChuckBuck
Posts: 28851 Alba Posts: 11 Joined: 1/3/2012 Member: #3806 USA |
1/8/2012 11:59 AM
AnubisADL wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:So by that reasoning and highlight mix, we should've drafted Josh Selby (Age 20) also The guy is a heavier Anthony Randolph or Jordan Hill. I'm not saying Tyler will be a complete bust because he did get picked 39th in the 2nd round, but let's not confuse him with Deandre Jordan. Jordan was known as a shot blocker from the get go(averaged 8.1 blocks his senior year in high school) and even played a year of college ball. Tyler decided to forego his senior year of high school(dumb move), retract his scholarship to Louisville(dumb move), and play 2 mediocre years in Israel and Japan(Huh?). We have our Jeremy Tyler already and he's bigger and might be better...Jerome Jordan. |
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Bonn1997
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1/8/2012 12:27 PM
AnubisADL wrote:ChuckBuck wrote:AnubisADL wrote:I'm confused how Shumpert has proven anything we didn't know before the draft. How does a guy like that fall to the 2nd round? |
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AnubisADL
Posts: 27382 Alba Posts: 13 Joined: 6/29/2009 Member: #2771 USA |
1/8/2012 12:56 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:How does a guy like that fall to the 2nd round? Same thing with Deandre Jordan. Teams are looking for immediate help. Plus they hadn't seen him play much. NY Knicks - Retirement home for players and GMs
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martin
Posts: 76242 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
1/8/2012 12:56 PM
Childs2Dudley wrote:http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=39444&page=19The league has pasted Donnie Walsh by. Thank god he is leaving!!! Thanks for linking to the old threads instead of posting to them as others have done in the past; much better way of referencing. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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martin
Posts: 76242 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
1/8/2012 1:02 PM
AnubisADL wrote:misterearl wrote:Say What? Here is the thing about your comment I highlighted: you have done the exact same thing but in the opposite direction; you hyped that this kid was trash when he was drafted and you are still doing it in your comment about next season. How about we watch how this plays out and enjoy the ride instead of acting like we can definitively predict the future each and every time. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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ChuckBuck
Posts: 28851 Alba Posts: 11 Joined: 1/3/2012 Member: #3806 USA |
1/8/2012 1:04 PM
martin wrote:AnubisADL wrote:misterearl wrote:Say What? +Million |
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crzymdups
Posts: 52018 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/1/2004 Member: #671 USA |
1/8/2012 1:08 PM LAST EDITED: 1/8/2012 1:10 PM
so many times on this board, the evaluation of young players comes more from people defending their original position on whether or not it was a good draft pick instead of watching what the player is actually doing on the floor.
it'd be nice if we could just acknowledge the positive and negative things the player is doing in this case and people could stop campaigning for their original draft prediction being correct. iman is a knick. can't we just all root for him to succeed? bottom line, tyler might have been nice. but on a team that has tyson chandler (and jerome jordan and jorts), shumpert fills a MUCH bigger need and he's been doing well so far. ¿ △ ?
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RonRon
Posts: 25531 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/22/2002 Member: #246 |
1/8/2012 1:24 PM
a lot of us would have loved to be able to Jeremy Tyler as talent and physical talents seem to be off the charts.
He is the complete opposite of Jorts and but we have yet to see Tyler play in GS. He would fit the the PF/C we could use to play with Tyson Chandler and at Center at times. I love Jorts but he can only contribute when he match up allows us to play him at PF with his lack of speed. He is 260 but lost a ton of weight the past 2-3 years and has improved much since. I was very surprised the Bobcats traded him as they could use cheap talents with high ceiling like Tyler. How many of you guys would trade Jorts for Tyler right now? I wouldn't be against it but Jorts has the mind set and will work hard and play right. Tyler gave the label/impression of a troubled player, where talent vs his mentality made him drop to the 2nd round. I love the way our bench is now, with no head cases. They all cheer for each other and support each other. |
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AnubisADL
Posts: 27382 Alba Posts: 13 Joined: 6/29/2009 Member: #2771 USA |
1/8/2012 1:40 PM
martin wrote:Here is the thing about your comment I highlighted: you have done the exact same thing but in the opposite direction; you hyped that this kid was trash when he was drafted and you are still doing it in your comment about next season. I didn't say he was trash. I said his upside was limited. The guy has tools but alot of guards have athleticism without a jumper. Ronnie Brewer comes to mind. NY Knicks - Retirement home for players and GMs
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martin
Posts: 76242 Alba Posts: 108 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #2 USA |
1/8/2012 1:43 PM
AnubisADL wrote:martin wrote:Here is the thing about your comment I highlighted: you have done the exact same thing but in the opposite direction; you hyped that this kid was trash when he was drafted and you are still doing it in your comment about next season. http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=39444&page=11 AnubisADL wrote:FAIL!!!!!! AnubisADL wrote:Pick is beyond terrible. Donatas would have least had some upside. AnubisADL wrote:Please inform the Knicks we need 2 way players. AnubisADL wrote:PresIke wrote:VCoug wrote:Well, Shumpert is an interesting player and hopefully will able to play 20-25 effective minutes a night. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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ChuckBuck
Posts: 28851 Alba Posts: 11 Joined: 1/3/2012 Member: #3806 USA |
1/8/2012 1:57 PM
AnubisADL wrote:martin wrote:Here is the thing about your comment I highlighted: you have done the exact same thing but in the opposite direction; you hyped that this kid was trash when he was drafted and you are still doing it in your comment about next season. I still don't see how his upside is limited. His jumper looks really good, doesn't fall everytime, but he has great lift and mechanics on his jumpshot. Martin posted this in the Video Posts link, and he looks great shooting jumpers, same form he uses in-game: |
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TheloniusMonk
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1/8/2012 3:56 PM
martin wrote:AnubisADL wrote:martin wrote:Here is the thing about your comment I highlighted: you have done the exact same thing but in the opposite direction; you hyped that this kid was trash when he was drafted and you are still doing it in your comment about next season. Wow dude said the Shumpert pick was "terrible" smh. Shump not a 2 way player? That's definitely the words of a man who had never seen him play but had a point to make no matter what. Always cool to look back. 'You can catch me in Hollis at the hero shop!'
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TheloniusMonk
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1/8/2012 4:00 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:loweyecue wrote:I think Shumpert remembers this. Nope. He welcomed him via twitter. 'You can catch me in Hollis at the hero shop!'
-Tony Yayo
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