nixluva wrote:It's funny,to read many on this and other forums they swore the system was to just jack 3's!!! Now it's just PnR. SSOL is more than the PnR! Yes it's a core part of what is going on, but you don't have 100 plays with even more variations if it's just the PnR. The spread offense is really the reason that you can even work a PnR. If you don't have great spacing and movement then teams will stop the PnR very easily. This system was created by a PG for PG's. If you put a good PG in this system and he has the kind of Game where he can penetrate and see the floor, he can be successful. There's a pace and rhythm to this system, that makes it work very efficiently. As i've pointed out many times it was either #1 or #2 most efficient offense in the league and last year with Felton running it, it was #5.

As for STAT, he's played his entire career in this system!!! Why anyone would think MDA would have trouble integrating STAT is beyond me. The only guy that plays a style that is actually the complete opposite of what this system is about is Melo. Melo is the only one that has to buy in and play within the system. If he does that we'll be very good. Only time will tell, but I believe Melo wants to be a team player. He has to adjust to what Lin is doing now and not feel he has to force things like he did with no PG. I think he will do it.

Nobody thought the system was about jacking up 3's!!!!!!!!!! Geeeez! We just hated the non-adjustments from MDA when he did not have a PNR PG and in was RAINING 3's. Bad adjustment to a team that did not fit "THE SYSTEM"

Amare should be fine hopefully but he is no longer the primary PNR guy so it is different.

Every PNR offense is a spread offense - DUH!

Watch UTAH with stockton and malone and tell that was not simple good basketball.

MDA is the new Bobby Valentine? Lets stop making him out to be a genius when he is running a simple bball play that if you have the ingredients, it WORKS!

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:It's funny,to read many on this and other forums they swore the system was to just jack 3's!!! Now it's just PnR. SSOL is more than the PnR! Yes it's a core part of what is going on, but you don't have 100 plays with even more variations if it's just the PnR. The spread offense is really the reason that you can even work a PnR. If you don't have great spacing and movement then teams will stop the PnR very easily. This system was created by a PG for PG's. If you put a good PG in this system and he has the kind of Game where he can penetrate and see the floor, he can be successful. There's a pace and rhythm to this system, that makes it work very efficiently. As i've pointed out many times it was either #1 or #2 most efficient offense in the league and last year with Felton running it, it was #5.

As for STAT, he's played his entire career in this system!!! Why anyone would think MDA would have trouble integrating STAT is beyond me. The only guy that plays a style that is actually the complete opposite of what this system is about is Melo. Melo is the only one that has to buy in and play within the system. If he does that we'll be very good. Only time will tell, but I believe Melo wants to be a team player. He has to adjust to what Lin is doing now and not feel he has to force things like he did with no PG. I think he will do it.

Nobody thought the system was about jacking up 3's!!!!!!!!!! Geeeez! We just hated the non-adjustments from MDA when he did not have a PNR PG and in was RAINING 3's. Bad adjustment to a team that did not fit "THE SYSTEM"

Amare should be fine hopefully but he is no longer the primary PNR guy so it is different.

Every PNR offense is a spread offense - DUH!

Watch UTAH with stockton and malone and tell that was not simple good basketball.

MDA is the new Bobby Valentine? Lets stop making him out to be a genius when he is running a simple bball play that if you have the ingredients, it WORKS!

mrKnickShot wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:It's funny,to read many on this and other forums they swore the system was to just jack 3's!!! Now it's just PnR. SSOL is more than the PnR! Yes it's a core part of what is going on, but you don't have 100 plays with even more variations if it's just the PnR. The spread offense is really the reason that you can even work a PnR. If you don't have great spacing and movement then teams will stop the PnR very easily. This system was created by a PG for PG's. If you put a good PG in this system and he has the kind of Game where he can penetrate and see the floor, he can be successful. There's a pace and rhythm to this system, that makes it work very efficiently. As i've pointed out many times it was either #1 or #2 most efficient offense in the league and last year with Felton running it, it was #5.

As for STAT, he's played his entire career in this system!!! Why anyone would think MDA would have trouble integrating STAT is beyond me. The only guy that plays a style that is actually the complete opposite of what this system is about is Melo. Melo is the only one that has to buy in and play within the system. If he does that we'll be very good. Only time will tell, but I believe Melo wants to be a team player. He has to adjust to what Lin is doing now and not feel he has to force things like he did with no PG. I think he will do it.

Nobody thought the system was about jacking up 3's!!!!!!!!!! Geeeez! We just hated the non-adjustments from MDA when he did not have a PNR PG and in was RAINING 3's. Bad adjustment to a team that did not fit "THE SYSTEM"

Amare should be fine hopefully but he is no longer the primary PNR guy so it is different.

Every PNR offense is a spread offense - DUH!

Watch UTAH with stockton and malone and tell that was not simple good basketball.

MDA is the new Bobby Valentine? Lets stop making him out to be a genius when he is running a simple bball play that if you have the ingredients, it WORKS!

Mike is a good coach. Any coach needs good players. would phil jackson been successful if he didn't have four or five hall of famers. Mike has weaknesses but he was making progress last year then the trade happened and that killed everything. noow we are seeing what we saw last year

Of course PJax one because he had "the stars" not because he was BIG CHIEF TRIANGLE / GENIUS.

MDA is a fine coach who can be a bit too stubborn. But it aint his system that is the main culprit its the PLAYERS.

I hope he does a good job with his new found talent and we never talk about him getting canned again.

mrKnickShot wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:It's funny,to read many on this and other forums they swore the system was to just jack 3's!!! Now it's just PnR. SSOL is more than the PnR! Yes it's a core part of what is going on, but you don't have 100 plays with even more variations if it's just the PnR. The spread offense is really the reason that you can even work a PnR. If you don't have great spacing and movement then teams will stop the PnR very easily. This system was created by a PG for PG's. If you put a good PG in this system and he has the kind of Game where he can penetrate and see the floor, he can be successful. There's a pace and rhythm to this system, that makes it work very efficiently. As i've pointed out many times it was either #1 or #2 most efficient offense in the league and last year with Felton running it, it was #5.

As for STAT, he's played his entire career in this system!!! Why anyone would think MDA would have trouble integrating STAT is beyond me. The only guy that plays a style that is actually the complete opposite of what this system is about is Melo. Melo is the only one that has to buy in and play within the system. If he does that we'll be very good. Only time will tell, but I believe Melo wants to be a team player. He has to adjust to what Lin is doing now and not feel he has to force things like he did with no PG. I think he will do it.

Nobody thought the system was about jacking up 3's!!!!!!!!!! Geeeez! We just hated the non-adjustments from MDA when he did not have a PNR PG and in was RAINING 3's. Bad adjustment to a team that did not fit "THE SYSTEM"

Amare should be fine hopefully but he is no longer the primary PNR guy so it is different.

Every PNR offense is a spread offense - DUH!

Watch UTAH with stockton and malone and tell that was not simple good basketball.

MDA is the new Bobby Valentine? Lets stop making him out to be a genius when he is running a simple bball play that if you have the ingredients, it WORKS!

Mike is a good coach. Any coach needs good players. would phil jackson been successful if he didn't have four or five hall of famers. Mike has weaknesses but he was making progress last year then the trade happened and that killed everything. noow we are seeing what we saw last year

Of course PJax one because he had "the stars" not because he was BIG CHIEF TRIANGLE / GENIUS.

MDA is a fine coach who can be a bit too stubborn. But it aint his system that is the main culprit its the PLAYERS.

I hope he does a good job with his new found talent and we never talk about him getting canned again.

Exactly. Some guys dont fir because they just slow the game down and go into iso mode

uh ... ok ... and? Your point?

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:It's funny,to read many on this and other forums they swore the system was to just jack 3's!!! Now it's just PnR. SSOL is more than the PnR! Yes it's a core part of what is going on, but you don't have 100 plays with even more variations if it's just the PnR. The spread offense is really the reason that you can even work a PnR. If you don't have great spacing and movement then teams will stop the PnR very easily. This system was created by a PG for PG's. If you put a good PG in this system and he has the kind of Game where he can penetrate and see the floor, he can be successful. There's a pace and rhythm to this system, that makes it work very efficiently. As i've pointed out many times it was either #1 or #2 most efficient offense in the league and last year with Felton running it, it was #5.

As for STAT, he's played his entire career in this system!!! Why anyone would think MDA would have trouble integrating STAT is beyond me. The only guy that plays a style that is actually the complete opposite of what this system is about is Melo. Melo is the only one that has to buy in and play within the system. If he does that we'll be very good. Only time will tell, but I believe Melo wants to be a team player. He has to adjust to what Lin is doing now and not feel he has to force things like he did with no PG. I think he will do it.

Nobody thought the system was about jacking up 3's!!!!!!!!!! Geeeez! We just hated the non-adjustments from MDA when he did not have a PNR PG and in was RAINING 3's. Bad adjustment to a team that did not fit "THE SYSTEM"

Amare should be fine hopefully but he is no longer the primary PNR guy so it is different.

Every PNR offense is a spread offense - DUH!

Watch UTAH with stockton and malone and tell that was not simple good basketball.

MDA is the new Bobby Valentine? Lets stop making him out to be a genius when he is running a simple bball play that if you have the ingredients, it WORKS!

Dude I can pull quotes from around the web forums including this one, that CLEARLY state they think it's about jackin 3's. We weren't running ANY PnR's for a while there and so people just made the assumption that all the 3's they we were taking was the offense.

As for not adjusting. It wasn't so much that he didn't adjust when he didn't have a PnR PG, as much as he didn't have a PG period!!! Mike has adjusted his offense since he's been here, but he's not going to abandon his own system that he knows has been proven to be a top offense in the league.

Also stop trying to over simplify the system by saying dumb stuff like PnR is a spread offense!!! It's just stupid to say something like that. Lot's of teams run PnR but don't use a Spread offense!!! You make it sound like this offense is just like every other offense and it's not. When you say stuff like that you make it obvious that you don't really know what this offense is.

Let me ask you this? If it was just the simple PnR, why would coach K lean on him for offensive help? Why do many other coaches come and sit in on his practices. Why would a book be devoted entirely to the system and it's plays if all it was is a simple BB play? See you don't know what you're talking about and need to stop making dumb comments.

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:It's funny,to read many on this and other forums they swore the system was to just jack 3's!!! Now it's just PnR. SSOL is more than the PnR! Yes it's a core part of what is going on, but you don't have 100 plays with even more variations if it's just the PnR. The spread offense is really the reason that you can even work a PnR. If you don't have great spacing and movement then teams will stop the PnR very easily. This system was created by a PG for PG's. If you put a good PG in this system and he has the kind of Game where he can penetrate and see the floor, he can be successful. There's a pace and rhythm to this system, that makes it work very efficiently. As i've pointed out many times it was either #1 or #2 most efficient offense in the league and last year with Felton running it, it was #5.

As for STAT, he's played his entire career in this system!!! Why anyone would think MDA would have trouble integrating STAT is beyond me. The only guy that plays a style that is actually the complete opposite of what this system is about is Melo. Melo is the only one that has to buy in and play within the system. If he does that we'll be very good. Only time will tell, but I believe Melo wants to be a team player. He has to adjust to what Lin is doing now and not feel he has to force things like he did with no PG. I think he will do it.

Nobody thought the system was about jacking up 3's!!!!!!!!!! Geeeez! We just hated the non-adjustments from MDA when he did not have a PNR PG and in was RAINING 3's. Bad adjustment to a team that did not fit "THE SYSTEM"

Amare should be fine hopefully but he is no longer the primary PNR guy so it is different.

Every PNR offense is a spread offense - DUH!

Watch UTAH with stockton and malone and tell that was not simple good basketball.

MDA is the new Bobby Valentine? Lets stop making him out to be a genius when he is running a simple bball play that if you have the ingredients, it WORKS!

Dude I can pull quotes from around the web forums including this one, that CLEARLY state they think it's about jackin 3's. We weren't running ANY PnR's for a while there and so people just made the assumption that all the 3's they we were taking was the offense.

As for not adjusting. It wasn't so much that he didn't adjust when he didn't have a PnR PG, as much as he didn't have a PG period!!! Mike has adjusted his offense since he's been here, but he's not going to abandon his own system that he knows has been proven to be a top offense in the league.

Also stop trying to over simplify the system by saying dumb stuff like PnR is a spread offense!!! It's just stupid to say something like that. Lot's of teams run PnR but don't use a Spread offense!!! You make it sound like this offense is just like every other offense and it's not. When you say stuff like that you make it obvious that you don't really know what this offense is.

Let me ask you this? If it was just the simple PnR, why would coach K lean on him for offensive help? Why do many other coaches come and sit in on his practices. Why would a book be devoted entirely to the system and it's plays if all it was is a simple BB play? See you don't know what you're talking about and need to stop making dumb comments.

You really need to stop sucking his wiener and get your own life. You can look at him and Idolize him, read his book and have his poster on your wall.

You are not going to sell me on him being this super genius. He is a good coach - stop selling for him. He can do it without you.

You are coming off like a wierdo sometimes.

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:It's funny,to read many on this and other forums they swore the system was to just jack 3's!!! Now it's just PnR. SSOL is more than the PnR! Yes it's a core part of what is going on, but you don't have 100 plays with even more variations if it's just the PnR. The spread offense is really the reason that you can even work a PnR. If you don't have great spacing and movement then teams will stop the PnR very easily. This system was created by a PG for PG's. If you put a good PG in this system and he has the kind of Game where he can penetrate and see the floor, he can be successful. There's a pace and rhythm to this system, that makes it work very efficiently. As i've pointed out many times it was either #1 or #2 most efficient offense in the league and last year with Felton running it, it was #5.

As for STAT, he's played his entire career in this system!!! Why anyone would think MDA would have trouble integrating STAT is beyond me. The only guy that plays a style that is actually the complete opposite of what this system is about is Melo. Melo is the only one that has to buy in and play within the system. If he does that we'll be very good. Only time will tell, but I believe Melo wants to be a team player. He has to adjust to what Lin is doing now and not feel he has to force things like he did with no PG. I think he will do it.

Nobody thought the system was about jacking up 3's!!!!!!!!!! Geeeez! We just hated the non-adjustments from MDA when he did not have a PNR PG and in was RAINING 3's. Bad adjustment to a team that did not fit "THE SYSTEM"

Amare should be fine hopefully but he is no longer the primary PNR guy so it is different.

Every PNR offense is a spread offense - DUH!

Watch UTAH with stockton and malone and tell that was not simple good basketball.

MDA is the new Bobby Valentine? Lets stop making him out to be a genius when he is running a simple bball play that if you have the ingredients, it WORKS!

Dude I can pull quotes from around the web forums including this one, that CLEARLY state they think it's about jackin 3's. We weren't running ANY PnR's for a while there and so people just made the assumption that all the 3's they we were taking was the offense.

As for not adjusting. It wasn't so much that he didn't adjust when he didn't have a PnR PG, as much as he didn't have a PG period!!! Mike has adjusted his offense since he's been here, but he's not going to abandon his own system that he knows has been proven to be a top offense in the league.

Also stop trying to over simplify the system by saying dumb stuff like PnR is a spread offense!!! It's just stupid to say something like that. Lot's of teams run PnR but don't use a Spread offense!!! You make it sound like this offense is just like every other offense and it's not. When you say stuff like that you make it obvious that you don't really know what this offense is.

Let me ask you this? If it was just the simple PnR, why would coach K lean on him for offensive help? Why do many other coaches come and sit in on his practices. Why would a book be devoted entirely to the system and it's plays if all it was is a simple BB play? See you don't know what you're talking about and need to stop making dumb comments.

You really need to stop sucking his wiener and get your own life. You can look at him and Idolize him, read his book and have his poster on your wall.

You are not going to sell me on him being this super genius. He is a good coach - stop selling for him. He can do it without you.

You are coming off like a wierdo sometimes.

OK now you're talking like a teenager. I'm not trying to sell you on MDA, it's his players and other coaches who say he's an offensive genius. Other coaches are taking his ideas and using them. I made a thread about that. I'm making a defense of the coach cuz you don't have any respect for what he does. You seem to think he just rolls the ball out there and stuff happens. You show a lack of understanding of what a NBA coach actually does and that this coach is better than we've seen from him in NY. Every time you give him the talent to succeed his teams look good. If you give him Duhon or TD or Bibby he can't make that look very good.

You talked crap about his system and yet you really don't know what the system is. This is about having good players to go along with a good coach, which we have. Hopefully when this team is at full strength we can have a great balance of the season and post season.

Nix, with all due respect, calling people DUMB when they don't agree with you is quite childish and unbecoming.

Coaching is hard. You need to keep ego's in check, design the right plays for the right players, adjust in-game to runs, ride hot hands, PNR, baseline screens, curls ...

NBA is not football. Bill Wash was/is a genius - buy his book. Belicheck is a genius. That is a complicated dataset that takes a tremendous amount of hard work and ingenuity.

Basketball? Yeah you have plays and designs and its not rocket science. Its mostly about how your personnel fits into plays you design. But its not the NFL - you can always make people think you are smart by talking about things that you don't know or reading a book that they did not read.

Coaching Basketball is about motivation. Pushing your players to play as a team. To play defense. To be unselfish. TO MANAGE DIVA's. That is what makes coaches great.

Yes some coach are a little bit more intuitive when it comes to design plays but don't be fooled about their genius. It's silly.

I like when JVG belittled PJax calling him Big Chief Triangle. He often spoke of this. If you have the players then you are a genius. If you don't then you are not. The triangle offense was not that complicated but it worked for the teams that he had.

PNR worked for Jerry Sloan because he had great players as part of it. Jerry Sloan was not genius. He was a damn good coach!

I respect Riley the most (not saying he's a genius because I don't know what he scored on his LSAT's) because he coached completely differently built teams in LA and NY. The run and gunners and the defensive ISO knicks and was successful at both from opposite ends of the spectrum.

mrKnickShot wrote:

Anji wrote:20/20 is great, but why are Lin, Jorts and Tyson on the knicks if we have the Almighty Mozgov, Shawny and Felton??? LOL, that perfect team isn't going anywhere anyway.

Just like Mike'd isn't out of the fire because he is riding Lin for now. Because unless he actually coaches and integrates Melo and Stat in the offense, this team still isn't doing a damn thing in the future. Plus Lin begins to come back to earth like Felton did, what is the coach going to do rhen.

If this team is in playoffs, 60 pick and rolls with Lin isn't getting done. If this coach can't find ways to get the ball in to his best players hands, this team isn't doing ****.

+1

You don't respect the system! You are dumb!

I absolutely agree with you. Yes, we know the PNR works. Its simple basketball not a complicate myriad of plays. He now has to incorporate, Lin, Chandler (PNR), Stat and Melo into the offense. Lets see the genius.

I sure hope it works out.

I've seen enough of this "pie in the sky, everybody is equal, lets roll the balls out and see what the defense gives us" bull**** offense.

It's not going to beat teams that don't have to negate any part of the floor to play good defense. I don't care how many great coaches take parts of Loss backwards, because those coach have system they are adding it too. All we have is an offensive assistant masquerading as a head coach.

It's like teams that were re in awe what mike mart did with the rams passing attack. Was his routes genius and did people copy him, yeah. Did they want him as the head coach of there team??? FUCK NO!!! He only coached half the ball and on that side of the ball only cared about passing or half the offense. He was like 25% of a coach if you don't include special teams.

That's all I see, 1/4th a coach who is always going to depend a point guard to care his bull****. And at the same time we'll always be in big games were we see Ray Allen, KG and Paul Pierce in there spots while contrasting that against hoping Lin can run a PNR, contested 3pointers or JJ2 getting the ball in the closing seconds of a game.

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:Now there's nothing wrong with the system all of a sudden, because we won three games.

Fire D'antoni.

Sucka free Sunday, ya heard?

BANT!

Hahahah - what the heck does that mean?

mrKnickShot wrote:

Anji wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Anji wrote:20/20 is great, but why are Lin, Jorts and Tyson on the knicks if we have the Almighty Mozgov, Shawny and Felton??? LOL, that perfect team isn't going anywhere anyway.

Just like Mike'd isn't out of the fire because he is riding Lin for now. Because unless he actually coaches and integrates Melo and Stat in the offense, this team still isn't doing a damn thing in the future. Plus Lin begins to come back to earth like Felton did, what is the coach going to do rhen.

If this team is in playoffs, 60 pick and rolls with Lin isn't getting done. If this coach can't find ways to get the ball in to his best players hands, this team isn't doing ****.

+1

You don't respect the system! You are dumb!

I absolutely agree with you. Yes, we know the PNR works. Its simple basketball not a complicate myriad of plays. He now has to incorporate, Lin, Chandler (PNR), Stat and Melo into the offense. Lets see the genius.

I sure hope it works out.

I hope it does, but at the same time I don't.

I've seen enough of this "pie in the sky, everybody is equal, lets roll the balls out and see what the defense gives us" bull**** offense.

It's not going to beat teams that don't have to negate any part of the floor to play good defense. I don't care how many great coaches take parts of Loss backwards, because those coach have system they are adding it too. All we have is an offensive assistant masquerading as a head coach.

It's like teams that were re in awe what mike mart did with the rams passing attack. Was his routes genius and did people copy him, yeah. Did they want him as the head coach of there team??? FUCK NO!!! He only coached half the ball and on that side of the ball only cared about passing or half the offense. He was like 25% of a coach if you don't include special teams.

That's all I see, 1/4th a coach who is always going to depend a point guard to care his bull****. And at the same time we'll always be in big games were we see Ray Allen, KG and Paul Pierce in there spots while contrasting that against hoping Lin can run a PNR, contested 3pointers or JJ2 getting the ball in the closing seconds of a game.

I am going to keep and open mind and see what he does with this team/Lin. I am always rooting for my knicks to win. If this fails which I sure hope that it does not, I sure the blame will go to the Melo trade, Dolan, Grunwald, Isiah, Steve Kerr, Woodson, the Indiana conspiracy group, any other than our coach / genius.

Well for now, I will give him the benefit of the doubt and root for him.

Now we see Lin is at home in this style of play and everyone is benefiting from the open looks they can get in this system. We needed a facilitator and Lin is proving to be a talented one at that. If Lin can hit the midrange jumper consistently he'll be set for success. Because Lin keeps his dribble and sticks to the system he's able to find guys in position to succeed. In the 1st qtr of the Wiz game they were missing shots, but they were playing the right way. It's not like Lin was just winging it. That is the way the system is designed to work. Here are just a few half court plays from the SSOL playbook.