Bonn1997 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

Uptown wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

Uptown wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

Uptown wrote:

JCrusher wrote:My problem with melo is that he could have gone to knicks without the knicks having to give up everything they had. I mean lebron as much as i hate him could have made double if he wanted. i mean if we signed melo we would have depth and we could have used those pieces for either dwight or paul

It would have been bad business for Melo to sign with us as a FA with the lock out looming and he had no idea what the collective barganing agreement would look like. Turns out, had he waited, he would have missed out on a ton of money being that FA's can sign with a new team for a yr less than before.

Ok but how did that help us lol?

In order to win big in this league, you need stars. We have one now. Much easier to put pieces around a star player than it is to find that elusive star player (outside of the draft) and add him to your pieces...

well i agree that baron davis and shumpert could be pieces that make this work. but to be fair so far the knicks haven't gotten the better of the deal. that doesn't mean they wont in the end but even you gotta say that right now in teh present moment its hasn't worked yet

We'll just have to agree to disagree...We are a better team now than we were before the trade IMO...

Ya you're right we are playing great

Last years team doesn't beat Boston on Christmas..This team is better. No, we haven't looked good over the last 2 but I still believe we are better...

Have you not seen how bad this aging Boston team without Pierce is?

Thgey looked pretty good against Miami. Lost to N.O mainly because they were on the end of back to backs...Lets not act like Boston wont be one of the top 4 teams in the east...

Uptown wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

Uptown wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

Uptown wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

Uptown wrote:

JCrusher wrote:My problem with melo is that he could have gone to knicks without the knicks having to give up everything they had. I mean lebron as much as i hate him could have made double if he wanted. i mean if we signed melo we would have depth and we could have used those pieces for either dwight or paul

It would have been bad business for Melo to sign with us as a FA with the lock out looming and he had no idea what the collective barganing agreement would look like. Turns out, had he waited, he would have missed out on a ton of money being that FA's can sign with a new team for a yr less than before.

Ok but how did that help us lol?

In order to win big in this league, you need stars. We have one now. Much easier to put pieces around a star player than it is to find that elusive star player (outside of the draft) and add him to your pieces...

well i agree that baron davis and shumpert could be pieces that make this work. but to be fair so far the knicks haven't gotten the better of the deal. that doesn't mean they wont in the end but even you gotta say that right now in teh present moment its hasn't worked yet

We'll just have to agree to disagree...We are a better team now than we were before the trade IMO...

Ya you're right we are playing great

Last years team doesn't beat Boston on Christmas..This team is better. No, we haven't looked good over the last 2 but I still believe we are better...

Have you not seen how bad this aging Boston team without Pierce is?

Thgey looked pretty good against Miami. Lost to N.O mainly because they were on the end of back to backs...Lets not act like Boston wont be one of the top 4 teams in the east...

ramtour420 wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

nixluva wrote:So now we're gonna not count wins against teams due to injury. How come we can't use that as an excuse for when we lose with guys injured? F'n hypocrites!!! I hate that crap. Make up your minds. If we can't use the injury excuse then you can't kill a Knick win cuz a team has an injury!!!

The trade sets up a core that allows you to always be one key addition from title contention. Sure we don't have every slot filled with a premium guy, but there's still time to improve the roster around our core. We still have our Room exemption to use.

Don't get your tampons in a bunch lol. Just kidding. I'm not saying it didn't count. i'm just saying record wise the knicks haven't been better tahn the knicks before the melo trade. I mean some people act like the knicks were a last plac team before melo but in fact we were over .500 and in the playoffs spot already. the question is not if melo is a good player because he is. the question is we gave up a good point guard in felton, two good forwards, a center who is getting better, and draft picks for melo. So far we were sept in teh first round and are 1-2 so far so i'm hoping we will get the better of teh trade but people need to be a little honest

Please correct me if I am wrong. What we gave up for Melo is a sh!tton. But we still got the better end of the deal. So we turned a bunch of good players into a star player. Or maybe you don't think we got the better end of the deal? Other teams would not give offers as good or better than us? Or maybe you are just simply saying that we could have gotten him for less?

If you think we gave up too much and got less in return, I can only shake my head and I will not even argue because everyone knows it takes stars to win. If you are saying that we could have gotten him for less than what we paid -I applaud you. Good observation, you might be right. Or you might be wrong. Either way it would probably be a bad idea to find out in real life. But hindsight is always 20/20.

Stop acting like queer. I never said i didn't wnat melo. I simply said that if he wanted to be a knick he could have waited for FA. Fuck the lockout i don't care if he would have made a little less. I mean if you want to win you sacrifice like the heat did. Alright i never bashed your boyfriend. I just think we would have had melo as well as the best depth in the game if he waited

Wow, no need to explain. You had me at "stop acting like a queer"

JCrusher wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

nixluva wrote:So now we're gonna not count wins against teams due to injury. How come we can't use that as an excuse for when we lose with guys injured? F'n hypocrites!!! I hate that crap. Make up your minds. If we can't use the injury excuse then you can't kill a Knick win cuz a team has an injury!!!

The trade sets up a core that allows you to always be one key addition from title contention. Sure we don't have every slot filled with a premium guy, but there's still time to improve the roster around our core. We still have our Room exemption to use.

Don't get your tampons in a bunch lol. Just kidding. I'm not saying it didn't count. i'm just saying record wise the knicks haven't been better tahn the knicks before the melo trade. I mean some people act like the knicks were a last plac team before melo but in fact we were over .500 and in the playoffs spot already. the question is not if melo is a good player because he is. the question is we gave up a good point guard in felton, two good forwards, a center who is getting better, and draft picks for melo. So far we were sept in teh first round and are 1-2 so far so i'm hoping we will get the better of teh trade but people need to be a little honest

Honest is we have the best front line in the NBA. In additon we have a starting PG healing up and 2 pretty good rookies in Jorts and Shump. Oh yeah we also have a project C ala Mozzy. We're now 2-2 and have 62 games left. This team is going to be special and a hell of a lot better than what we had. Gallo is still a project as far as I'm concerned as witness by his wide open blow lay up to tie the game aginst the Lakers today.

I never said we wont end up with the better part of the deal. I simply said it hasn't happened yet. I'm sorry man i can't lie and say we've been wonderful. Now if we start playing consistently then i'll say it was a success. its only fair don't you think?

it's only been 4games! They are playing with practically no training camp so, you can expect to see some bad play all across the board. To be honest, it won't get better until Baron gets healthy or we find a point guard that can actually run the offense instead of chuck up shots that disrupt the flow.

jrodmc wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Nalod wrote:Stars don't bring championships but you need them win them.

Not all stars are champions.

Amare-Melo combo is a stupid starphuck.

We would have been better with:

Gallo
Amare
Chandler-Mozgov
Fields
Felton

And with the picks we gave away, and Randolph we still retained assets to do a trade.

Maybe its for Deron willioms, maybe we had the juice for Paul.

No, the team at the time of MeloDrama was not championship caliber, but neither is it with melo and a thin roster.

Fear of the future. Perhaps we were better, maybe not.

Maybe we just need to let this team get it together instead of projecting failure.

Dude!!! Are you ever going to let this go?! Stop banging your head against the same wall, open your eyes and realize a new door was opened and sealed shut behind. No turning back.

Dudde!! Reread the last sentance. I did not start this thread.

Is Tyson seriously signing up with NY without Melo?

for fitty mil, perhaps.

Players come here for money and culture.

Chandler knew the team wass not deep.

Im on board for the long run so I am good either way.

Trade is done, Im moving forward but fans will always measure

Denver is playing decent ball and has since the trade.

Not a championship contender, but they were not with Melo either.

MS wrote:It's amazing how the Nuggets just continue to play smart team basketball and at this point have three rotations players for a superstar and don't miss a beat.

Repost when this Nuggs group advances to a western conference final. Also, George Karl's track record is much better than MDA's....Thats not even up for debate.

MS wrote:How many superstars are there in the NBA?

LOGIC would say if you traded a superstar for a bunch of guys that never made an all star team nor were highly touted the team would be rebuilding. It's just interesting that the nuggets aren't running into the same problem without there so called closer. They did however have the worst possible match up in the playoffs last season and list to arguably a top 4 team in the entire league.

This trade can and will be up for debate until Melo wins us a series. Everyone loves to mention his 42 in game 2 but leaves out his no show in game one and medicore play in the series.

The Knicks have gone all in. They traded away every asset they have and used an amnesty to sign a center whose defensive prowess reached legendary status because they heat chocked the finals away. We all want it to work out, however when its predicted on a rookie and injured aging point guard its alarming.

Dude, the trade just went down end of Feb. What have the Nugs done besides get swept in the first round and start the young season 3-2? Melo is 27 yrs old and will be here for awhile. We didn;t trade for him to win the Chip on the fly last season. It takes time. How about we revist this when Melo retires or is no longer wearing the Blue and Orange then we'll compare Nuggs/Knicks notes. Until then, this instant gratification stuff does nothing.

You have to admit, its alot easier to add complimentary players to a roster than it is to add a star player. We have the star players now; adding complimentary pieces should not be much of a problem so long as we remain patient and give Melo/Stat/Chandler a chance.

MS wrote:This trade will continue to be the most polarizing in the history of the franchise, but when you really break it down this trade robbed us of our depth, flexibility and turned a superstar into a complimentary all-star.
When you supposedly have the best frontcourt in the NBA there is no excuse to get manhandled on the boards and blown out on back to back nights.

The combination of Chandler, Felton, Gallo outweighs what Carmelo brings. We have no offensive cohesion, there is no ball movement, guys are just standing around and we have no one left to space the floor. The trade also negatively impacted our remaining starters; Landry looks lost out there and Amare looks like a completely different player.

We have a center and power forward who thrive on playing with talented point guards and we have no one to get them the ball. We allowed a player with virtually no options play in New Jersey or resign with Denver to gut our team because he wasn’t savvy enough to sign the same contracts that Lebron, Wade and Bosh entered into.

When you’re season depends on Baron Davis and rookie; it’s sobering especially since paying three guys 52MM. I know it's a short season, but we don't have defensive guys to fall back on. Intensity shouldn't take nights off.

AS I have said many times on every forum I have been on.. this trade was not necessary and pretty much killed the momentum we had with amare and the young kids.... I am watching denver now.. they are so much better than we are...

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:I honestly think denver would not trade the same guys back to get carmelo....

They wouldn't trade half of what we gave them to get Melo back.

to be fair, they no longer even have half of what we traded to get Melo.