stanleybostitch wrote:Good young players that will be together/grow together/win together for years to come is exciting. But this is the Knicks. Without the wise guidance of Donnie. Iman will star, Fields will grow, and then they'll be shipped out in a pre-deadline deal for some PG with bum knees. It's just a matter of time.

Only if Dolan bring "HIM" back

TheSage wrote:

stanleybostitch wrote:Good young players that will be together/grow together/win together for years to come is exciting. But this is the Knicks. Without the wise guidance of Donnie. Iman will star, Fields will grow, and then they'll be shipped out in a pre-deadline deal for some PG with bum knees. It's just a matter of time.

Only if Dolan bring "HIM" back

Papabear Says

It's all about the money. With a new agreement maybe they can't trade for Chris Paul.

AnubisADL wrote:

martin wrote:

DAM!

Worse case we got a explosive backup guard off the bench.

looks like it. For a physical talent like Shumpert, it's all about what he puts into each offseason and then the mental aspect of the game.

nixluva wrote:Like I said before, what I think will separate Iman from the usual overhyped draft pick is that this kid already has a midrange jumper, which is one of the key missing skills most young players lack in the NBA. Think about it. When was the last time we had a player with a solid midrange jumper? H2O! Iman isn't the pure shooter he was but he can get his shot off with excellent lift on his jumper. Being able to dribble drive, but also pull up for the midrange jumper is a huge weapon. The only real question was could Iman hit the 3. There was no question about his midrange jumper. I'm really pullin for this kid to succeed. It would be so exciting for this team to have a home grown star.

I'm not as convinced as you are on the midrange. I'd like to see it in action against NBA action.

nixluva wrote:

martin wrote:

nixluva wrote:Like I said before, what I think will separate Iman from the usual overhyped draft pick is that this kid already has a midrange jumper, which is one of the key missing skills most young players lack in the NBA. Think about it. When was the last time we had a player with a solid midrange jumper? H2O! Iman isn't the pure shooter he was but he can get his shot off with excellent lift on his jumper. Being able to dribble drive, but also pull up for the midrange jumper is a huge weapon. The only real question was could Iman hit the 3. There was no question about his midrange jumper. I'm really pullin for this kid to succeed. It would be so exciting for this team to have a home grown star.

I'm not as convinced as you are on the midrange. I'd like to see it in action against NBA action.

I hear you, but IMO from watching how high he gets on his jumper, I think he should be pretty good in the midrange. Even in college he was 47% inside the 3pt line. Reports of his game have even mentioned his midrange jumper being pretty solid. Even in the video you posted above he has a few jumper highlights from inside the 3pt line. I've seen it in his college highlights too. He gets good lift on his jumpers. If he's ever matched up with a PG it's over! His release is gonna be too high for any PG to interfere with. It looks like it would take a good defensive SG to get in his shot too. I could be wrong but from what i've seen it looks pretty obvious. Can't wait to see if it's how I see it in real games.

Nixluva, to answer your question

When was the last time we had a player with a solid midrange jumper?

My one concern with this team is how they mesh. They really need to practice together and this lockout is killing us. We already saw that Fields couldn't get used to Melo's game. Now Iman needs time to learn to play with Melo and Amare. Right now we have some great stars and some very good young players. With practice we'll have a very good team.

martin wrote:

nixluva wrote:Like I said before, what I think will separate Iman from the usual overhyped draft pick is that this kid already has a midrange jumper, which is one of the key missing skills most young players lack in the NBA. Think about it. When was the last time we had a player with a solid midrange jumper? H2O! Iman isn't the pure shooter he was but he can get his shot off with excellent lift on his jumper. Being able to dribble drive, but also pull up for the midrange jumper is a huge weapon. The only real question was could Iman hit the 3. There was no question about his midrange jumper. I'm really pullin for this kid to succeed. It would be so exciting for this team to have a home grown star.

I'm not as convinced as you are on the midrange. I'd like to see it in action against NBA action.

+1 (since it's what I stated last week)

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Ira wrote:Summer success is a good sign, but we need to see it replicated when the games count - whenever that is. That being said, I like the fact that a guy who's known as a defensive player is showing some ability on the offensive end. He doesn't need to be a star offensively, just a good complimentary player who makes the other teams best guard work very hard for his points.

The thing is that he's always had the ability to score. He just needed to improve his game in certain areas. His shot selection is probably the biggest area he needed work on and also his range. However, Iman was always able to draw fouls and converted at 80%. Iman always seemed to be a good scorer from inside the 3pt line where he shot 47%. It was his 3pt shooting that gave him the bad rep. So it seems he's improved on his 3pt shot and I believe being on a team where he's not the primary scorer should help his shot selection a bit. He was forcing shots in college.

We've been in need of more 2 way players for years and so i'm very happy he's known for his D more than his O. You've gotta have guys that LOVE playing D. Now we have CB, TD, Fields, Shawne and Iman who I know give 100% on D. If STAT and Melo buy in this team can really improve. That would leave just one thing of major importance and that's Center.

technomaster wrote:Any reports of his performance in the league after Billups arrived?

don't think they overlapped too much really.

I think its a pretty close call.
I have to wait to see Shumpert in action before I made the call but I don't see it as much do move. How he gels with the team, playing versus NBA talents, performs in pressure situations, and how he looks as he develops along the year. Shows he is able to become a PG for years to come, I don't think I would pull it. Because I think he can be a lockdown defender already with freakish athleticism and explosiveness. So that would be the 2 way player we have been seeking for along. He will always have an edge over our opponents if he plays PG and can be very utilized in guarding 3 positions. Sometimes he can be asked the guard the toughest player but sometimes he can be asked to guard the easiest player too. It would enable him to rest and he can cheat and probably guard his player and help better than anyone we have.

I think adding Cp3 at minimum would make us a top 4 team to beat in the East, of course assuming everyone stays healthy.
He would make us much more efficient offensively and is also a great free throw shooter. I just don't think we would be enough defensively at the SG/C and bench positions. We wouldn't be able to upgrade our talent with all of our payroll on 3 players either.

I wonder what the Knicks office thinks about it. If NO was going to pull the trigger to Cp3 to New York, I assume Shumpert will be at least one of the pieces we would be asked to give back. New York is built to win now mode, so for their arguement sakes. They would say they love the Shumpert but feel they had to add a player of Cp3's caliber added to our core.

If we do not trade for Cp3, would you still sign him on the roster?
I personally feel we should add a Center of a higher caliber. But no one knows how Jordan and Jorts will be and they might feel it would be enough.
The only one player I wouldn't hesitate to add is Dwight Howard. Which probably is a no brainer anyway.
I wonder if we would be able to add a player like Matt Gasol or Deandre Jordan, at under the max. And still have enough to add a spot or 2.
With Ray Allen, Steve Nash, and a couple of other good veterans.

Some Young centers that will probably get a big bulk if not max

Matt Gasol *unrestricted*
Deandre Jordan *unrestricted*
McGee *restricted*
Hibbert *restricted*
Bynum *team option*

Or going for a combination of lower talent like

Kaman
Spencer Hawes
Thompson

the reduced

Duncan
Camby
KG
Ray Allen
Terry
Nash
Billups
Kidd
Andre Miller
Felton

*Gallo* restricted
Delfino

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=FreeAgents-11-12

there is a big list to choose from but we do have options.

If the Larry Bird Exception is actually going to be limited to one player per season during this proposal. KG and Ray Allen both come off the same years, so they would have to break off their big 4.

I think we got really lucky in drafting a player with such high ceiling like Shumpert, especially at our pick. It gives us much more flexability if he shows he can possibly be continues to show that he can be a star. If he does show he can be that possible star I am hyping up. I wouldn't like to trade him, for Cp3. But a player like Shumpert can make the Garden ROAR with his dunks and defensive intensity. I think we are just better off waiting it out and looking to improve in the summer rather than trade in the middle of the year.

nixluva wrote:I think the Knicks are already capable of being a top 4 team. Adding CP3 is always going to be a bigtime move, cuz he's a great player, but if the price is too high I wouldn't be upset if they stand pat. The idea is to win a title so if the opportunity comes along to get CP3, they almost have to do it, but we don't exactly have a treasure of assets to send so i'm not really expecting anything.

The only thing i'm concentrating on is developing Iman and finding a solid C and this team. IMO this team will be a top 4 team with just those developments. All this team needs is to have a better defensive presence, which I think they can have with Iman and a solid C in there.

So basically the addition of 2 solid starters (40% of starting 5) and we could be a top 4 team?

Can almost say that about half the teams in the league not in the top 4 currently.

Maybe we can swap Iman straight up for CP3 and their no. 1 pick!