Nalod wrote:

Juice wrote:

martin wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:I didn't even bother mentioning the OPP PPG stat, since I'll only get that lame "pace" excuse like always.

if you think pace is an excuse you don't really understand its importance. it's an underlying fundamental to team efficiency stats, which are pretty much the best barometer for comparing teams.

Not when he admits that the way we play can actually help a team get on a roll as he did in the interview yesterday...stating the team has to find a way to weather those moments. Look if we're already at a disadvantage for whatever excuse you want to make about the personnel lacking ability to play D then please don't implement a system(with little adjustments) where the margin for error is compounded due to style of play

Wouldn't the same hold true about a defensive team? Slow it down enough both teams are out of synch?

Remember those great defesive match ups with the Heat that were so offensively challenged it was awful to watch? Then Timmy Hardaway would say "Fuckit" and throw a few in and the game was over!

Yes and it would be that team's responsibility to make sure they have ways to score if it's their biggest weakness

martin wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:I didn't even bother mentioning the OPP PPG stat, since I'll only get that lame "pace" excuse like always.

if you think pace is an excuse you don't really understand its importance. it's an underlying fundamental to team efficiency stats, which are pretty much the best barometer for comparing teams.

Ok, ill be fair here. Because we push the pace a lot, we create more shot attempts for ourselves as well as the opponent. This is probably the biggest reason why we're in the top 5 in PPG and bottom 5 in OPP PPG.

But its the OPP FG% stats that get Dantoni in trouble. This stat doesn't excuse him as much, and does not get impacted by pace as much as the OPP PPG does.

Regardless of pace, this team let's its opponent shoot a higher percentage than the average team, and that accountability falls on the head coach.

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

martin wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:I didn't even bother mentioning the OPP PPG stat, since I'll only get that lame "pace" excuse like always.

if you think pace is an excuse you don't really understand its importance. it's an underlying fundamental to team efficiency stats, which are pretty much the best barometer for comparing teams.

Ok, ill be fair here. Because we push the pace a lot, we create more shot attempts for ourselves as well as the opponent. This is probably the biggest reason why we're in the top 5 in PPG and bottom 5 in OPP PPG.

But its the OPP FG% stats that get Dantoni in trouble. This stat doesn't excuse him as much, and does not get impacted by pace as much as the OPP PPG does.

Regardless of pace, this team let's its opponent shoot a higher percentage than the average team, and that accountability falls on the head coach.

Look, nobody said MDA is freaking Red Auerbach!

The man has a plan thats extreme. I wonder if he was able to integrate Shaq when they had what could have been there.

Your whole bone of contention is: "Knicks don't play good D statistically and statistically no great team has ever NOT done that and won big".

I get that. Nobody argues this. Its history, its logically and perhaps safe to attempt.

MDA says: "Phuch that, Im about point differential and Im going to build a motherphuching juggernaut that you will get sucked up in to and have to stop it and yourself to win!" Its fun to watch and will make its owner money.

Nalod says: "Do it, and do it well"

MDA says:"get me my greyhounds to run it and it will be epic"!

Donnie says: "Dude you were on hip check away from the sweep pulp of a perpetually full "Juice Card"! what can I get you".

MDA: "After the playoffs, we'll talk!"

Dolan: "Cha-Ching bitches!"

JrZyHuStLa: "but look at the defense rating?"

Dolan: "Dude is a downer, remove him!"

Martin: "Bips post count defense rating is SSOL"

Bip: "what that mean?

UKDad: "he was like that as a kid too!"

JrZyHuStLa: "we need a new coach"

MDA: "Yeah yeah, what else is new." Im pulling in 4 mill a year, free clothing, MSG pays me a Mil for the show, and Im getting an extension"

JrZyHuStLa: "Your Defense score!"

MDA: "My Credit score your Mamma"!

Donnie: "Either light up or leave me alone"

Dolan: "most excellent! Steve Winwood and Traffic!"

OBM: "Dude check out my new knick bong"

Dolan: "Donnie, you got that medical weed with you?"

Donnie: "I can get it in SSOL!"

MDA, DONNIE, OBM, Bip, Martin, UKDad, JrZyHuStLa, Nalod, and Marv: "Haw Ha Ha Haw Ha Ha!!"

Dolan: "Clapp-Clapp....Clap clap clap"

MDA, DONNIE, OBM, Bip, Martin, UKDad, JrZyHuStLa, Nalod, and Marv: "Haw Ha Ha Haw Ha Ha!!"

The end!

Nalod wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

martin wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:I didn't even bother mentioning the OPP PPG stat, since I'll only get that lame "pace" excuse like always.

if you think pace is an excuse you don't really understand its importance. it's an underlying fundamental to team efficiency stats, which are pretty much the best barometer for comparing teams.

Ok, ill be fair here. Because we push the pace a lot, we create more shot attempts for ourselves as well as the opponent. This is probably the biggest reason why we're in the top 5 in PPG and bottom 5 in OPP PPG.

But its the OPP FG% stats that get Dantoni in trouble. This stat doesn't excuse him as much, and does not get impacted by pace as much as the OPP PPG does.

Regardless of pace, this team let's its opponent shoot a higher percentage than the average team, and that accountability falls on the head coach.

Look, nobody said MDA is freaking Red Auerbach!

The man has a plan thats extreme. I wonder if he was able to integrate Shaq when they had what could have been there.

Your whole bone of contention is: "Knicks don't play good D statistically and statistically no great team has ever NOT done that and won big".

I get that. Nobody argues this. Its history, its logically and perhaps safe to attempt.

MDA says: "Phuch that, Im about point differential and Im going to build a motherphuching juggernaut that you will get sucked up in to and have to stop it and yourself to win!" Its fun to watch and will make its owner money.

Nalod says: "Do it, and do it well"

MDA says:"get me my greyhounds to run it and it will be epic"!

Donnie says: "Dude you were on hip check away from the sweep pulp of a perpetually full "Juice Card"! what can I get you".

MDA: "After the playoffs, we'll talk!"

Dolan: "Cha-Ching bitches!"

JrZyHuStLa: "but look at the defense rating?"

Dolan: "Dude is a downer, remove him!"

Martin: "Bips post count defense rating is SSOL"

Bip: "what that mean?

UKDad: "he was like that as a kid too!"

JrZyHuStLa: "we need a new coach"

MDA: "Yeah yeah, what else is new." Im pulling in 4 mill a year, free clothing, MSG pays me a Mil for the show, and Im getting an extension"

JrZyHuStLa: "Your Defense score!"

MDA: "My Credit score your Mamma"!

Donnie: "Either light up or leave me alone"

Dolan: "most excellent! Steve Winwood and Traffic!"

OBM: "Dude check out my new knick bong"

Dolan: "Donnie, you got that medical weed with you?"

Donnie: "I can get it in SSOL!"

MDA, DONNIE, OBM, Bip, Martin, UKDad, JrZyHuStLa, Nalod, and Marv: "Haw Ha Ha Haw Ha Ha!!"

Dolan: "Clapp-Clapp....Clap clap clap"

MDA, DONNIE, OBM, Bip, Martin, UKDad, JrZyHuStLa, Nalod, and Marv: "Haw Ha Ha Haw Ha Ha!!"

The end!

ROFL!!!!!!!!! dude, I look forward to your post .... for real.....

crzymdups wrote:I disagree with the notion that because we have two offensive superstars we need an offensive coach. IMHO, that makes it all the more necessary to have a DEFENSIVE coach. That still allows the superstars to freestyle for their points and get their numbers, but those numbers become more meaningful and have a bigger impact, because at the other end the team is getting stops.

If Melo scores 31 and his man gets 29, it's not a huge advantage. If Amar'e gets 29 and 8 and his man gets 24 and 15, who has the advantage there?

This is why, though I am willing to give MDA a chance with this group, I think in the future this nucleus would be best served by bringing in a JVG type coach. Look at the Bulls with Thibodeau. Best defense in the league and they have an offensive superstar in DRose and a competent post scorer in Boozer. That formula won them 62 games. 62 freaking games. And this is only DRose's 3rd year. That team is going to be a juggernaut for the next 4-5 years.

We have the type of team that can beat Miami... but to get by a team like Chicago in a seven game series, we're going to need to be able to defend and rebound. And Mike doesn't build teams or play the guys who can do that.

Bring back JVG. (Doc Rivers or maybe Mark Jackson would work, too, but JVG would be my first choice by a mile.)

What about the roster? Does that count or are you thinking ours stays static?

Nalod wrote:Amare-Melo was build for MDA to drive. Not for JVG to slow down and defend with.

If they were built not to play defense then they aren't championship players.