CrushAlot wrote:Randolph 20 pts, 10 rebs and 2 blks. Also had 6 turnovers.

Who won?

loweyecue wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

markvmc wrote:Get back to me when there's an average that covers a more meaningful spell than 2 games.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/3455/year/2010/anthony-randolph

Here is his one month stats in 2010, but he did almost the same for two months and then he got hurt, then he came here...
12pts, 6.6 rebs, 2.3 assists, 2.2 blocks, .8 stls 46% FG, 80%FT in 25 minutes a game

It's not like he hasn't performed before. He looks healthy and seems to be capable of performing above these numbers.

I wanted to keep him- just wished he had shown more when he did play for us. There were times when I could not believe how ineffective he was- even doing the most basic things- and the athletic ability he seems to have back now, and showed while with GS, never showed itself when he was a Knick-undoubtedly because he was still recovering from his injury.

You can't help but question the numbers some on Minny put up when their team record is so dismal, though. If you look at each of their players as individuals- you see some good things, but you have to wonder why they have had so little success as a team.

Do we make too much of a big deal over stats?

Plus Rambis is a coach who really reaches his players, benches his starters as needed and gets the most out of them! 17-59 speaks fo itself! Only Knick fans can covet people from a team like that.

From Kelly Dwyer's column:

Anthony Randolph(notes), Minnesota Timberwolves

Per-minute, Randolph has played at a nearly All-Star level for the Timberwolves, which has to be terribly frustrating for Knicks fans. Even accounting for Minnesota's heightened pace and his unfamiliarity with what the Timberwolves still call "the triangle offense," Randolph has come through with great numbers. Per game? Double-figure points, five boards and 50 percent shooting in only 18 minutes per game in Minnesota.

Anthony Randolph has alwaysput up numbers for losing teams with zero expectations, it's what he does. What I don't get is why it's a thread on this forum.

Plus, Kelly Dwyer is an idiot. I wouldn't call his garbage a 'column'. It's more like garbage.

Randolph will never put up those numbers on a winning team because Randolph is a bum. He's like Tony Campbell. Tony Campbell put up 21 points per game in 1991. But where is he now? He's nowhere, I don't see Tony Campbell anywhere. Is Mike D'Antoni a bad coach because he sees through Tony Campbell's hollow stats?

AR, bum.

Papabear wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

markvmc wrote:Get back to me when there's an average that covers a more meaningful spell than 2 games.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/3455/year/2010/anthony-randolph

Here is his one month stats in 2010, but he did almost the same for two months and then he got hurt, then he came here...
12pts, 6.6 rebs, 2.3 assists, 2.2 blocks, .8 stls 46% FG, 80%FT in 25 minutes a game

It's not like he hasn't performed before. He looks healthy and seems to be capable of performing above these numbers.

I wanted to keep him- just wished he had shown more when he did play for us. There were times when I could not believe how ineffective he was- even doing the most basic things- and the athletic ability he seems to have back now, and showed while with GS, never showed itself when he was a Knick-undoubtedly because he was still recovering from his injury.

You can't help but question the numbers some on Minny put up when their team record is so dismal, though. If you look at each of their players as individuals- you see some good things, but you have to wonder why they have had so little success as a team.

Do we make too much of a big deal over stats?

Plus Rambis is a coach who really reaches his players, benches his starters as needed and gets the most out of them! 17-59 speaks fo itself! Only Knick fans can covet people from a team like that.

From Kelly Dwyer's column:

Anthony Randolph(notes), Minnesota Timberwolves

Per-minute, Randolph has played at a nearly All-Star level for the Timberwolves, which has to be terribly frustrating for Knicks fans. Even accounting for Minnesota's heightened pace and his unfamiliarity with what the Timberwolves still call "the triangle offense," Randolph has come through with great numbers. Per game? Double-figure points, five boards and 50 percent shooting in only 18 minutes per game in Minnesota.

Anthony Randolph has alwaysput up numbers for losing teams with zero expectations, it's what he does. What I don't get is why it's a thread on this forum.

Plus, Kelly Dwyer is an idiot. I wouldn't call his garbage a 'column'. It's more like garbage.

Randolph will never put up those numbers on a winning team because Randolph is a bum. He's like Tony Campbell. Tony Campbell put up 21 points per game in 1991. But where is he now? He's nowhere, I don't see Tony Campbell anywhere. Is Mike D'Antoni a bad coach because he sees through Tony Campbell's hollow stats?

AR, bum.

Papabear Says

Hey don't talk about my ex business partner like that. Tony Campbell played 10 years in the business and is doing ok. He also was a very good Hip Hop rap beat maker and producer. (Ken Spin, Mad Dog, the Black Rebels) That was his real love. He was crushed when he got traded from the Knicks but he kept on playing. We worked together on some projects. Music that is.

Tony Campbell was dumb as a brick. He was the hoops coach at my high school.

why is this guy not in the rotation contributing for us? and then everyone bemoans that we have no depth and "wait til next year when we have a full roster." we could have a full roster if ANTONI (nice one isles fan) had any semblance of a clue as to how to develop a bench. yea, randolph is on a lottery team. who cares, he clearly has shown he is a capable NBA player. the guy is 6'11 and 22 yrs old - yea i dont want him on the team i'd rather have billy walker shooting the corner 3!!!! wait til next year when we have more guys who can shoot the corner 3! baffling.

AnubisADL wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:i don't understand the people who take the "screw AR" position.

why is this guy not in the rotation contributing for us? and then everyone bemoans that we have no depth and "wait til next year when we have a full roster." we could have a full roster if ANTONI (nice one isles fan) had any semblance of a clue as to how to develop a bench. yea, randolph is on a lottery team. who cares, he clearly has shown he is a capable NBA player. the guy is 6'11 and 22 yrs old - yea i dont want him on the team i'd rather have billy walker shooting the corner 3!!!! wait til next year when we have more guys who can shoot the corner 3! baffling.

Randolph's problem is he is mistake prone and tries to do too much at times. He is where he needs to be in Minnesota. He can make mistakes and still get plenty of playing time.

or he could be on the knicks, playing 25-30 minutes a night with a coaching staff that believes in him. i refuse to believe randolph could not have been a useful player for the knicks if he was brought along the right way. he wasn't brought along, and then he was traded for basically 10 cents on the dollar. pathetic.

fishmike wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:i don't understand the people who take the "screw AR" position.

why is this guy not in the rotation contributing for us? and then everyone bemoans that we have no depth and "wait til next year when we have a full roster." we could have a full roster if ANTONI (nice one isles fan) had any semblance of a clue as to how to develop a bench. yea, randolph is on a lottery team. who cares, he clearly has shown he is a capable NBA player. the guy is 6'11 and 22 yrs old - yea i dont want him on the team i'd rather have billy walker shooting the corner 3!!!! wait til next year when we have more guys who can shoot the corner 3! baffling.

Randolph's problem is he is mistake prone and tries to do too much at times. He is where he needs to be in Minnesota. He can make mistakes and still get plenty of playing time.

or he could be on the knicks, playing 25-30 minutes a night with a coaching staff that believes in him. i refuse to believe randolph could not have been a useful player for the knicks if he was brought along the right way. he wasn't brought along, and then he was traded for basically 10 cents on the dollar. pathetic.

he stunk when he got playing time and the KNicks didnt exactly storm into the playoffs. At what point as a coach and organization do you wait and continue to play a player who is performing very poorly?

When you look at Mosgov's progression, from starter, to bench, to out of rotation to back into rotation to back to starting doesnt it tell you if you continue to work the chance will happen?

You make it sound like MDA and staff just decided to not like the kid and never bother with him again. Seems like the problem is AR wasnt ready for winning NBA basketball which the Knicks were very focused to get on with.

I'm sorry.. I watched every minute of preseason and regular season time AR was on the floor with the Knicks. I'm not sure I every saw anything that made me say "we gotta get this guy more time."

He wasnt ready. Why is this so hard to get? Sometimes its not the coach. Sometimes its the player. You cant speed growth sometimes

fishmike, i also watched randolph's time with the knicks and came away unimpressed. however, i also watched randolph in college and on the warriors, and clearly the guy has skills.

mozgov is 2 years older with the knicks and presumably felt better than AR given that he was signed away from europe on a 3 yr deal, whereas randolph was basically a throw-in in a trade. AR looked hesitant and not confident on the knicks, i agree. that may have something to do with the poor communication skills of d'antoni (the book seven seconds or less and isola on the simmons pod cast both mention this). he was afraid he was coming out every time he stepped on the court.

not to mention the fact that he just didn't fit in in MDA's system. but what does it say about the system that less talented players play solely because they can hit the 3. now we have two elite scorers and a coach who can only coach offense. we don't need the seven seconds or less, we need stops and a better rotation.

BigSm00th wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:i don't understand the people who take the "screw AR" position.

why is this guy not in the rotation contributing for us? and then everyone bemoans that we have no depth and "wait til next year when we have a full roster." we could have a full roster if ANTONI (nice one isles fan) had any semblance of a clue as to how to develop a bench. yea, randolph is on a lottery team. who cares, he clearly has shown he is a capable NBA player. the guy is 6'11 and 22 yrs old - yea i dont want him on the team i'd rather have billy walker shooting the corner 3!!!! wait til next year when we have more guys who can shoot the corner 3! baffling.

Randolph's problem is he is mistake prone and tries to do too much at times. He is where he needs to be in Minnesota. He can make mistakes and still get plenty of playing time.

or he could be on the knicks, playing 25-30 minutes a night with a coaching staff that believes in him. i refuse to believe randolph could not have been a useful player for the knicks if he was brought along the right way. he wasn't brought along, and then he was traded for basically 10 cents on the dollar. pathetic.

randolph is this generations tony campbell.

babyKnicks wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:and they lost, again.

randolph is this generations tony campbell.

Seems like he's all stats no wins. We had that with David lee. (I'm gonna get killed for that one lol)

David Lee was and still is so over rated by alot of guys here because they like him.

Same way that Melo recieves far harsher criticism than STAT. GUys like who they like and criticize accordingly.

Melo has been great on both ends for us.