JrZyHuStLa wrote:Stat and Melo equally deserve the bashing that Dantoni deserves btw.

This is not good.

Who cares what they deserve. You can't get rid of them. Geeeeez!

As for a player like Amare blaming his coaches for never teaching him D, what's his problem now? What' Melo's problem? Was he also never taught defense? To me that's just bull. Being around pros for years there's no way that you can not see how your teammates are defending and pick up some things. You think KT, Raja or Marion couldn't give Amare some tips along the way? When Mike was getting on Amare for not playing D, you think he could maybe ask for some tips on how to improve if he wanted to? How come he didn't improve under Terry Porter who was brought in just to emphasize defense? HOw many times has Amare said that defense was important for his Knicks team to focus on and yet he's still letting guys score at will on him. Yeah he gets some blocks, but his man D is not good. Amare and Melo are team leaders and they have to set the tone no matter who the coach is.

Juice wrote:

nixluva wrote:I couldn't watch the game again tonight and was disappointed to come home and see that they lost. I don't know what's going on defensively, but I know that this team has to get it fixed soon. I think the last thing we need is another coaching change. I want some continuity and we need to improve the rest of the roster around our stars with more guys that can defend and rebound. I said it when they made the trade, but this wasn't a trade that was going to solve our defensive issues. When you trade most of your starters for Melo you're doubling down on offense and not D. So this is what we're left with. Unless this group figures out the level of commitment to D it's going to take, then we can expect more disappointing losses. I can't kill Mike and the staff cuz I just don't think they aren't focusing on D. D is less about special techniques and more about effort, discipline and pride.

As for a player like Amare blaming his coaches for never teaching him D, what's his problem now? What' Melo's problem? Was he also never taught defense? To me that's just bull. Being around pros for years there's no way that you can not see how your teammates are defending and pick up some things. You think KT, Raja or Marion couldn't give Amare some tips along the way? When Mike was getting on Amare for not playing D, you think he could maybe ask for some tips on how to improve if he wanted to? How come he didn't improve under Terry Porter who was brought in just to emphasize defense? HOw many times has Amare said that defense was important for his Knicks team to focus on and yet he's still letting guys score at will on him. Yeah he gets some blocks, but his man D is not good. Amare and Melo are team leaders and they have to set the tone no matter who the coach is.

Just curious how many games do you catch in a year's time? Because for someone who has a pulse on the team like you display in all of your posts you sure do miss a lot of games. Matter of fact a lot of your initial inputs after games starts with......"I couldn't or I didn't get a chance to catch the game tonight" then you proceed with David King Long Winded novel replies....

Really odd to say the least

Haha, now we know nixy's secret to positivity: he doesn't watch the games! Haha.

Seriously, I've missed every loss since the trade and come to the board wondering why you guys are being a bunch of crybabies. I friggin' listen to a loss on the radio and I'm grasping for answers and on this damn board for 4 hours.

nixluva wrote:

Juice wrote:

nixluva wrote:I couldn't watch the game again tonight and was disappointed to come home and see that they lost. I don't know what's going on defensively, but I know that this team has to get it fixed soon. I think the last thing we need is another coaching change. I want some continuity and we need to improve the rest of the roster around our stars with more guys that can defend and rebound. I said it when they made the trade, but this wasn't a trade that was going to solve our defensive issues. When you trade most of your starters for Melo you're doubling down on offense and not D. So this is what we're left with. Unless this group figures out the level of commitment to D it's going to take, then we can expect more disappointing losses. I can't kill Mike and the staff cuz I just don't think they aren't focusing on D. D is less about special techniques and more about effort, discipline and pride.

As for a player like Amare blaming his coaches for never teaching him D, what's his problem now? What' Melo's problem? Was he also never taught defense? To me that's just bull. Being around pros for years there's no way that you can not see how your teammates are defending and pick up some things. You think KT, Raja or Marion couldn't give Amare some tips along the way? When Mike was getting on Amare for not playing D, you think he could maybe ask for some tips on how to improve if he wanted to? How come he didn't improve under Terry Porter who was brought in just to emphasize defense? HOw many times has Amare said that defense was important for his Knicks team to focus on and yet he's still letting guys score at will on him. Yeah he gets some blocks, but his man D is not good. Amare and Melo are team leaders and they have to set the tone no matter who the coach is.

Just curious how many games do you catch in a year's time? Because for someone who has a pulse on the team like you display in all of your posts you sure do miss a lot of games. Matter of fact a lot of your initial inputs after games starts with......"I couldn't or I didn't get a chance to catch the game tonight" then you proceed with David King Long Winded novel replies....

Really odd to say the least

Dude I have League Pass. I only missed the last 2 games. I haven't been writing that i've missed games other than the last 2!!! You must be mixing me up with someone else. The only time I miss Knick games is when i'm out of town on business.

Oky doky I guess fans didn't overreact after the Mavs loss

Childs2Dudley wrote:You remember when Van Gundy looked like he was going to hang himself after losses? Instead we have players coach Mike excusing the team and laughing in the post game after losses like this. Guy is not right for New York. we demand a lot and we expect a lot. We also value defense over anything else. D'Antoni was never a fit here and the hiring is Walsh's biggest failure in NY.

I think Donnie wants to be able to finish his job and get Mike more help defensively. This is why he added Jared. It's not working right now, but I think it's clear neither Donnie or Mike wanted to give up so much in the trade for Melo for this very reason. We got weaker defensively, but the guys we have are gonna have to step up. They've had some great defensive games so it's not impossible.

nixluva wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:You remember when Van Gundy looked like he was going to hang himself after losses? Instead we have players coach Mike excusing the team and laughing in the post game after losses like this. Guy is not right for New York. we demand a lot and we expect a lot. We also value defense over anything else. D'Antoni was never a fit here and the hiring is Walsh's biggest failure in NY.

I think Donnie wants to be able to finish his job and get Mike more help defensively. This is why he added Jared. It's not working right now, but I think it's clear neither Donnie or Mike wanted to give up so much in the trade for Melo for this very reason. We got weaker defensively, but the guys we have are gonna have to step up. They've had some great defensive games so it's not impossible.

Has nothing to do with what I said. We have defensive role players. Our star players may not play any defense but we need a coach with some accountability to get them to play some.

Childs2Dudley wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:You remember when Van Gundy looked like he was going to hang himself after losses? Instead we have players coach Mike excusing the team and laughing in the post game after losses like this. Guy is not right for New York. we demand a lot and we expect a lot. We also value defense over anything else. D'Antoni was never a fit here and the hiring is Walsh's biggest failure in NY.

I think Donnie wants to be able to finish his job and get Mike more help defensively. This is why he added Jared. It's not working right now, but I think it's clear neither Donnie or Mike wanted to give up so much in the trade for Melo for this very reason. We got weaker defensively, but the guys we have are gonna have to step up. They've had some great defensive games so it's not impossible.

Has nothing to do with what I said. We have defensive role players. Our star players may not play any defense but we need a coach with some accountability to get them to play some.

What is it that you think Mike and his staff isn't saying or doing to try and get this team to play better defensively? In the past he's had much better success with his teams in PHX defensively. The one big difference I see has been consistecy with the roster. This is an almost completely new group and I don't think it's easy to find that chemistry. Especially with less size and taking away guys that were your some of your better defenders. I think in the end no matter how much the coach says, you need someone on the court to embody the spirit of the teams defensive intensity. KG does that for his team, Noah for his and we need someone to do the same here. I think Donnie will look for a guy like Verajao to do that for this team next year.

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:You remember when Van Gundy looked like he was going to hang himself after losses? Instead we have players coach Mike excusing the team and laughing in the post game after losses like this. Guy is not right for New York. we demand a lot and we expect a lot. We also value defense over anything else. D'Antoni was never a fit here and the hiring is Walsh's biggest failure in NY.

I think Donnie wants to be able to finish his job and get Mike more help defensively. This is why he added Jared. It's not working right now, but I think it's clear neither Donnie or Mike wanted to give up so much in the trade for Melo for this very reason. We got weaker defensively, but the guys we have are gonna have to step up. They've had some great defensive games so it's not impossible.

Has nothing to do with what I said. We have defensive role players. Our star players may not play any defense but we need a coach with some accountability to get them to play some.

What is it that you think Mike and his staff isn't saying or doing to try and get this team to play better defensively? In the past he's had much better success with his teams in PHX defensively. The one big difference I see has been consistecy with the roster. This is an almost completely new group and I don't think it's easy to find that chemistry. Especially with less size and taking away guys that were your some of your better defenders. I think in the end no matter how much the coach says, you need someone on the court to embody the spirit of the teams defensive intensity. KG does that for his team, Noah for his and we need someone to do the same here. I think Donnie will look for a guy like Verajao to do that for this team next year.

I can see MDA telling his team to stay on the offense and don't go down court for defense. This way we can get more shots. They lose by 80. And still, people will say: "give these guys some time. It's nobody's fault. How would they know to go down court? It's par for the course" Yay!!! Life is awesome.

At some point, there needs to be accountability.

I was pro-Give Dantoni a shot this time last week. But after watching this home and home it just doesn't seem like D'Antoni makes adjustments especially defensively. For Hansbrough to top his last performance is ridiculous. so between Sunday and now D'Antoni couldn't come up with a scheme to slow him down?? The coaches adjustments game to game are atrocious defensively and his pulse of using a rotation are laughable. Hibbert goes off and no Sheldon Williams or Turiaf in the last 3 minutes? What did Jefferies give us that last quarter?? Sure wasn't defense. Then the absence of Anthony Carter the last 2 games has been mind boggling.

The coaches job is to put his players in situations to succeed. When he has Jefferies inbounding the ball when he has zero offensive awareness or instincts it just shows his coaching weaknesses. He is really running out of excuses.

mreinman wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:You remember when Van Gundy looked like he was going to hang himself after losses? Instead we have players coach Mike excusing the team and laughing in the post game after losses like this. Guy is not right for New York. we demand a lot and we expect a lot. We also value defense over anything else. D'Antoni was never a fit here and the hiring is Walsh's biggest failure in NY.

I think Donnie wants to be able to finish his job and get Mike more help defensively. This is why he added Jared. It's not working right now, but I think it's clear neither Donnie or Mike wanted to give up so much in the trade for Melo for this very reason. We got weaker defensively, but the guys we have are gonna have to step up. They've had some great defensive games so it's not impossible.

Has nothing to do with what I said. We have defensive role players. Our star players may not play any defense but we need a coach with some accountability to get them to play some.

What is it that you think Mike and his staff isn't saying or doing to try and get this team to play better defensively? In the past he's had much better success with his teams in PHX defensively. The one big difference I see has been consistecy with the roster. This is an almost completely new group and I don't think it's easy to find that chemistry. Especially with less size and taking away guys that were your some of your better defenders. I think in the end no matter how much the coach says, you need someone on the court to embody the spirit of the teams defensive intensity. KG does that for his team, Noah for his and we need someone to do the same here. I think Donnie will look for a guy like Verajao to do that for this team next year.

I can see MDA telling his team to stay on the offense and don't go down court for defense. This way we can get more shots. They lose by 80. And still, people will say: "give these guys some time. It's nobody's fault. How would they know to go down court? It's par for the course" Yay!!! Life is awesome.

At some point, there needs to be accountability.

I was pro-Give Dantoni a shot this time last week. But after watching this home and home it just doesn't seem like D'Antoni makes adjustments especially defensively. For Hansbrough to top his last performance is ridiculous. so between Sunday and now D'Antoni couldn't come up with a scheme to slow him down?? The coaches adjustments game to game are atrocious defensively and his pulse of using a rotation are laughable. Hibbert goes off and no Sheldon Williams or Turiaf in the last 3 minutes? What did Jefferies give us that last quarter?? Sure wasn't defense. Then the absence of Anthony Carter the last 2 games has been mind boggling.

The coaches job is to put his players in situations to succeed. When he has Jefferies inbounding the ball when he has zero offensive awareness or instincts it just shows his coaching weaknesses. He is really running out of excuses.

Sup FoeDiddy!

I knew you'd come around :-) He's making it easy to jump ship.

I'm all for giving Dantoni a shot but there is no excuse to give up 120 to a Pacers team twice. His Defensive schemes and strategies are embarrassing to say the least. Their Pick n Roll Defense is still atrocious like it's always been. There has been no improvement from the beginning of the season. What is he actually teaching these guys defensively? Are they handed scouting reports? if so, How are they not giving Hansborough his weak left hand? Why is Amare with 5 fouls playing defense on Hibbert 3 plays in a row? Just head scratching play.

The solution isn't to add an overpriced guy like Verajo when the whole defensive system is broken. Verajo is not going to fix MDA and he must get this team to defend at least somewhat below average. Why do people think MDA doesn't care about D? According to him on a night where we shot in the mid 40s on 3s the roblem was shots weren't falling and there was no problem with the defense. On top of the atrocious defensive porduct on the floor for 3 years. I'm sorry but bringing up a team he coached that had championship caliber talent 4 years ago that never made it to the finals doesn't cut it anymore for our team now.

nixluva wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:You remember when Van Gundy looked like he was going to hang himself after losses? Instead we have players coach Mike excusing the team and laughing in the post game after losses like this. Guy is not right for New York. we demand a lot and we expect a lot. We also value defense over anything else. D'Antoni was never a fit here and the hiring is Walsh's biggest failure in NY.

I think Donnie wants to be able to finish his job and get Mike more help defensively. This is why he added Jared. It's not working right now, but I think it's clear neither Donnie or Mike wanted to give up so much in the trade for Melo for this very reason. We got weaker defensively, but the guys we have are gonna have to step up. They've had some great defensive games so it's not impossible.

Has nothing to do with what I said. We have defensive role players. Our star players may not play any defense but we need a coach with some accountability to get them to play some.

What is it that you think Mike and his staff isn't saying or doing to try and get this team to play better defensively? In the past he's had much better success with his teams in PHX defensively. The one big difference I see has been consistecy with the roster. This is an almost completely new group and I don't think it's easy to find that chemistry. Especially with less size and taking away guys that were your some of your better defenders. I think in the end no matter how much the coach says, you need someone on the court to embody the spirit of the teams defensive intensity. KG does that for his team, Noah for his and we need someone to do the same here. I think Donnie will look for a guy like Verajao to do that for this team next year.