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The reason why people have a problem with Mike D'Antoni has nothing to do with his inability to coach
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Childs2Dudley
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3/14/2011  3:30 PM
nyk4ever wrote:
Childs2Dudley wrote:Hopefully Scott Skiles becomes available. With this offensive talent and his defensive philosophy we can be a very good team.

the bucks scored 56points last night. i think skiles is a pretty good coach, but i'm not sure this is the right place for him. i can't see guys like melo and amar'e listening to him and that's not to say just amar'e and melo, i can't see any superstars listening to him as a coach because he rides the team so much. if we make a coaching change, we need a guy like doc rivers in here.

with all that said, im still not lookign to make any changes at coach for this team, i'd like to give d'antoni more time with this team, especially after a full offseason and training camp, and see what he can do with them.

The Celtics scored 87. The Bucks played good defense but their offense is a disgrace. Please don't look at them scoring 100 or more on us twice this season. Our defense is that bad.

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nykshaknbake
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3/14/2011  3:57 PM
When does money motivate a player to do a better job? Usually high slaries are paid after a player achieves. Players don't suddenly raise their level after getting a bigger paycheck. What's insane is that argument put forth time and time again. Especially with all the overpaid underachievers we've had on this team in recent years. It is the coaches job to motivate. If it isn't the good ones do it anyway and elevate their teams. I'm sorry but if you think a coach's only job is XOs' you really don't understand their role on a team.

JJ has played 20, 23, 20 miuntes in the last 3 games. The least of any starting position by far. Mosgov got some time in the end but not a ton and not for most of the season. Turiaf didn't get a tremendous amount of minutes either.

Ok Gallo, are you really gonna try and argue defense and D'Antoni? Gallo got somewhat better. yah. Bottom line is players did not improve.

Marbury really didn't play under MDA. Duhon doesn't play. David Lee, I actually don't know, you have any articcles or stats?

You are ignoring what plainly detracts form your point. What of my 4 points isn't by and large true again?

fishmike wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:The facts I see are from the last 3 years. They aren't pretty.

1. He does love the 3 and he does love small lineups. The only difference is now he is forced to play one after the trade.
2. He makes poor adjustments in game.
3. Our defensive rotations and boxing out suck and haven't improved one ioata in anyone over his tenure.
4. He is unable to motivate the team on a consistent basis

Our teams have changed but these things have remained constant, along with our coach.

fishmike wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:MDA did win 60 games twice and an a average of 58 games a year in Phoenxi--that is a LOT of winning even some of the best coaches you can name havent won that much. Van Gundy Adelman--nope NONE.

Im sorry but this was a reclimation project he took over and its still not a good team. We have two very nice pieces but after that it gets sketchy.

MDA is proven to win with good players--that is an honest bottom line--you can agree or disagree but history does not lie.

yea.. people just like to say he doesnt coach D, doesnt play bigs and loves the 3. Forget about the facts. Funny how MDA's teams where better defensively than Gentry's.

We have two shiny stars that sell out the building and sell jerseys. Winning is now optional


this is INSANE

We are payinng Melo and Amare $20mm a year plus. Its coachs job to motivate?

1. He does love the 3 and he does love small lineups. The only difference is now he is forced to play one after the trade.
please explain why Jared Jeffries got so much time and still does. Same w/ Turiaf and Mosgov
3. Our defensive rotations and boxing out suck and haven't improved one ioata in anyone over his tenure.
Gallo became quite a good defender here. Of course he watched film and worked on it

The facts I see are from the last 3 years.
Does David Lee play defense in GS? How Marbury and Duhon doing? When we had Zach and Crawford we had a winning record until that trade to clear space.

You seeing what fits your arguement.

fishmike
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3/14/2011  3:58 PM
nykshaknbake wrote:When does money motivate a player to do a better job? Usually high slaries are paid after a player achieves. Players don't suddenly raise their level after getting a bigger paycheck. What's insane is that argument put forth time and time again. Especially with all the overpaid underachievers we've had on this team in recent years. It is the coaches job to motivate. If it isn't the good ones do it anyway and elevate their teams. I'm sorry but if you think a coach's only job is XOs' you really don't understand their role on a team.

JJ has played 20, 23, 20 miuntes in the last 3 games. The least of any starting position by far. Mosgov got some time in the end but not a ton and not for most of the season. Turiaf didn't get a tremendous amount of minutes either.

Ok Gallo, are you really gonna try and argue defense and D'Antoni? Gallo got somewhat better. yah. Bottom line is players did not improve.

Marbury really didn't play under MDA. Duhon doesn't play. David Lee, I actually don't know, you have any articcles or stats?

You are ignoring what plainly detracts form your point. What of my 4 points isn't by and large true again?

fishmike wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:The facts I see are from the last 3 years. They aren't pretty.

1. He does love the 3 and he does love small lineups. The only difference is now he is forced to play one after the trade.
2. He makes poor adjustments in game.
3. Our defensive rotations and boxing out suck and haven't improved one ioata in anyone over his tenure.
4. He is unable to motivate the team on a consistent basis

Our teams have changed but these things have remained constant, along with our coach.

fishmike wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:MDA did win 60 games twice and an a average of 58 games a year in Phoenxi--that is a LOT of winning even some of the best coaches you can name havent won that much. Van Gundy Adelman--nope NONE.

Im sorry but this was a reclimation project he took over and its still not a good team. We have two very nice pieces but after that it gets sketchy.

MDA is proven to win with good players--that is an honest bottom line--you can agree or disagree but history does not lie.

yea.. people just like to say he doesnt coach D, doesnt play bigs and loves the 3. Forget about the facts. Funny how MDA's teams where better defensively than Gentry's.

We have two shiny stars that sell out the building and sell jerseys. Winning is now optional


this is INSANE

We are payinng Melo and Amare $20mm a year plus. Its coachs job to motivate?

1. He does love the 3 and he does love small lineups. The only difference is now he is forced to play one after the trade.
please explain why Jared Jeffries got so much time and still does. Same w/ Turiaf and Mosgov
3. Our defensive rotations and boxing out suck and haven't improved one ioata in anyone over his tenure.
Gallo became quite a good defender here. Of course he watched film and worked on it

The facts I see are from the last 3 years.
Does David Lee play defense in GS? How Marbury and Duhon doing? When we had Zach and Crawford we had a winning record until that trade to clear space.

You seeing what fits your arguement.

all of them

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nykshaknbake
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3/14/2011  4:32 PM
Hah.
fishmike wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:When does money motivate a player to do a better job? Usually high slaries are paid after a player achieves. Players don't suddenly raise their level after getting a bigger paycheck. What's insane is that argument put forth time and time again. Especially with all the overpaid underachievers we've had on this team in recent years. It is the coaches job to motivate. If it isn't the good ones do it anyway and elevate their teams. I'm sorry but if you think a coach's only job is XOs' you really don't understand their role on a team.

JJ has played 20, 23, 20 miuntes in the last 3 games. The least of any starting position by far. Mosgov got some time in the end but not a ton and not for most of the season. Turiaf didn't get a tremendous amount of minutes either.

Ok Gallo, are you really gonna try and argue defense and D'Antoni? Gallo got somewhat better. yah. Bottom line is players did not improve.

Marbury really didn't play under MDA. Duhon doesn't play. David Lee, I actually don't know, you have any articcles or stats?

You are ignoring what plainly detracts form your point. What of my 4 points isn't by and large true again?

fishmike wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:The facts I see are from the last 3 years. They aren't pretty.

1. He does love the 3 and he does love small lineups. The only difference is now he is forced to play one after the trade.
2. He makes poor adjustments in game.
3. Our defensive rotations and boxing out suck and haven't improved one ioata in anyone over his tenure.
4. He is unable to motivate the team on a consistent basis

Our teams have changed but these things have remained constant, along with our coach.

fishmike wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:MDA did win 60 games twice and an a average of 58 games a year in Phoenxi--that is a LOT of winning even some of the best coaches you can name havent won that much. Van Gundy Adelman--nope NONE.

Im sorry but this was a reclimation project he took over and its still not a good team. We have two very nice pieces but after that it gets sketchy.

MDA is proven to win with good players--that is an honest bottom line--you can agree or disagree but history does not lie.

yea.. people just like to say he doesnt coach D, doesnt play bigs and loves the 3. Forget about the facts. Funny how MDA's teams where better defensively than Gentry's.

We have two shiny stars that sell out the building and sell jerseys. Winning is now optional


this is INSANE

We are payinng Melo and Amare $20mm a year plus. Its coachs job to motivate?

1. He does love the 3 and he does love small lineups. The only difference is now he is forced to play one after the trade.
please explain why Jared Jeffries got so much time and still does. Same w/ Turiaf and Mosgov
3. Our defensive rotations and boxing out suck and haven't improved one ioata in anyone over his tenure.
Gallo became quite a good defender here. Of course he watched film and worked on it

The facts I see are from the last 3 years.
Does David Lee play defense in GS? How Marbury and Duhon doing? When we had Zach and Crawford we had a winning record until that trade to clear space.

You seeing what fits your arguement.

all of them

knickstorrents
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3/14/2011  10:04 PM
fishmike wrote:
knickstorrents wrote:Once we decided to get Amare and Melo together on the same team, we will forever be known as a mediocre defensive team. I don't care who the coach is.
Fields cant keep SGs in front of him, our PG is 34 and our center is about 220 pounds. That trend isnt changing anytime soon

Fields is the least of our defensive troubles but yes... the other two positions are big holes at this point...

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The reason why people have a problem with Mike D'Antoni has nothing to do with his inability to coach

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