CrushAlot wrote:

rp wrote:Everyone knows he can get his stats but how was he in the context of the game/system?

I think as a 21 year old coming off an injury he needed time, coaching, and minutes. I think he is getting that in Minny. The question is why wasn't he considered enough of an asset to coach, give minutes to and develop in NY. The only guy 6'11" on the Knicks right now is Jeffries. The rookies are 23 and 24. Randolph and the organization deserved a legitimate effort by the coaching staff to develop and play him in my opinion.

Everyone gets that in Minny because they suck nuts. But, thinking about it, playing Randolph probably wouldn't have left us much worse off than playing Melo.

Gymkata wrote:Am I the only one who saw AR run around out there and look like a broken Roomba? I too was enchanted by his talent, but he obviously didn't show enough in practice and when he got out on the floor, he was more interested in looking for his own shot than focusing on shot-blocking and rebounding, his supposed calling cards.

I just don't buy the MDA Doghouse stuff either. Look at Shawne Williams. The last guy signed and he worked his way into the rotation. Right?

Yup, I am right there with you. People are so enamored with his supposed talent and his ability to run, that they couldn't see his "deer in the headlights" look everytime he was on the floor. He was supposed to be our defensive stopper, only he seemed to focus on dribbling the ball up teh court and forcing horrible shots. I am sure MDA actually asked (heck forced) im to do that.

CrushAlot wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Gymkata wrote:Am I the only one who saw AR run around out there and look like a broken Roomba? I too was enchanted by his talent, but he obviously didn't show enough in practice and when he got out on the floor, he was more interested in looking for his own shot than focusing on shot-blocking and rebounding, his supposed calling cards.

I just don't buy the MDA Doghouse stuff either. Look at Shawne Williams. The last guy signed and he worked his way into the rotation. Right?

Yup, I am right there with you. People are so enamored with his supposed talent and his ability to run, that they couldn't see his "deer in the headlights" look everytime he was on the floor. He was supposed to be our defensive stopper, only he seemed to focus on dribbling the ball up teh court and forcing horrible shots. I am sure MDA actually asked (heck forced) im to do that.

I agree that D'Antoni forced Walsh to get rid of Randolph. He is very effective at devaluing guys and forcing Walsh to move them. Unfortunately Randolph is only 21, is 6'11", and was included in this trade where the Knicks paid thru the roof and gave up a ton of assets. D'Antoni needs to start making things work with this team. He has three stars now, he has vets, and the Knicks are out cf young players, draft picks and cap space.

ummm . . . aren't landry fields, shawne williams, toney douglas and bill walker among our rotational players?

CrushAlot wrote:

rp wrote:Everyone knows he can get his stats but how was he in the context of the game/system?

I think as a 21 year old coming off an injury he needed time, coaching, and minutes. I think he is getting that in Minny. The question is why wasn't he considered enough of an asset to coach, give minutes to and develop in NY. The only guy 6'11" on the Knicks right now is Jeffries. The rookies are 23 and 24. Randolph and the organization deserved a legitimate effort by the coaching staff to develop and play him in my opinion.

So why didn't they play them Crushalot? THey played Shawn Williams, Bill Walker, Landry Fields, Toney Douglas, Danilo, Wilson Chandler. All these young players. Why didn't they play Anthony Randolph?

It's because he is nuts and cries all the time. When he is not crying, he is yelling at coaches. Golden State dropped him, the Knicks have dropped him, the TWolves WILL eventually drop him. You overvalue him because of his height and "potential", but this kid isn't mature enough to be in the NBA. How do you know they didn't give it a legitimate shot? Why in fact they traded David F'n Lee for him. EVeryone was crazy about his potential. And what did he do? He ruined his chances. At some point in practice, or during a game, MDA realized this kid is nuts and he needs to go. MDA is not an idiot.

Stephon Marbury, out of the league after another shot. Nate Robinson, once again traded after given another shot after MDA. Larry Hughes, out of the league. MDA is not some crazy out of left field coach. He is a coach who doesn't take BS and lays down the law. GOOD. He doesn't cater to arm chair GM's who do not see players in practice, on the bus, and in the locker room and just read their stats on NBA.com, and watch them play 12 minutes in a game. He caters to wanting to build a winning team with players who are dedicated to winning.

CrushAlot wrote:

MDA is not some crazy out of left field coach. He is a coach who doesn't take BS and lays down the law. GOOD.

This just isn't accurate. The book on D'Antoni is that he lets his vets police the locker room and control things. He has a hard time being the authority figure and this was written about on several occasions while he was in Phoenix. The guys that he banishes don't report having conflicts with him, instead they have just said they didn't know what happened and that he didn't communicate with them. This is documented. D'Antoni had a hard time controlling Stoudamire in Phoenix. This is from Bickley's blog right before D'Antoni left Phoenix.

But here's the real issue: D'Antoni can't control his best player, Amare Stoudemire, and both men know it. Stoudemire has tested D'Antoni's authority at least two times in the past, and never faced serious reprimand. And near the end of the playoff series against the Spurs, Stoudemire made his thoughts about D'Antoni implicitly clear.

That situation is not an easy fix, and it's that dynamic that probably spells the end of D'Antoni's run in Phoenix.

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/DanBickley/22798

What does it say of Amar'e that he needs constant babysitting to be an effective player?

The problem is that Mike D'Antoni is a grown man being asked to babysit a bunch of kindergarteners.

crzymdups wrote:AR had 6pts 5rebs in 15 minutes tonight - solid, but not great. Not surprisingly, no one started a thread about it.

My internet has been down since about. 7:00.last night

Gymkata wrote:Am I the only one who saw AR run around out there and look like a broken Roomba? I too was enchanted by his talent, but he obviously didn't show enough in practice and when he got out on the floor, he was more interested in looking for his own shot than focusing on shot-blocking and rebounding, his supposed calling cards.

I just don't buy the MDA Doghouse stuff either. Look at Shawne Williams. The last guy signed and he worked his way into the rotation. Right?

LOL good one . What bothered me was that he was jacking up a long 2 every time he got subbed in. That's where he lost me. That and the endless pouting.