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Panos
Posts: 30087 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 1/6/2004 Member: #520 |
3/1/2011 3:03 PM
jimimou wrote: You Pee Es delivers. |
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Sangfroid
Posts: 24681 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/7/2009 Member: #2784 |
3/1/2011 3:18 PM
crzymdups wrote:Knicks get a good, cheap, young forward who they brought in to workout before the 2009 draft and liked... get him for free... and people here are upset about. Most, likely, without ever having seen him play. You meant to say, "Par for course". "We are playing a game. We are playing at not playing a game..."
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Finestrg
Posts: 27296 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/1/2006 Member: #1069 |
3/1/2011 3:20 PM LAST EDITED: 3/1/2011 3:40 PM
Knickoftime wrote:Finestrg wrote:Let me ask you guys something right now -- forget the Miami game for a sec -- the game before that against Cleveland, you know the one we got outrebounded in by 20, does either Jeffries or Brown make a difference in this category on paper?? Yeah you're right...I guess I was dreaming when Anthony Mason was doing that for us.. |
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Finestrg
Posts: 27296 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/1/2006 Member: #1069 |
3/1/2011 3:24 PM LAST EDITED: 3/1/2011 3:32 PM
Sangfroid wrote:crzymdups wrote:Knicks get a good, cheap, young forward who they brought in to workout before the 2009 draft and liked... get him for free... and people here are upset about. Most, likely, without ever having seen him play. He's talking about me so I'll address this before signing off on this thread: I am not upset about adding Brown although I think we could've done better..I'll have to see what Brown brings to the party starting tonight hopefully..Much more upset about Jeffries..I don't think he's nearly skilled enough to plug some of the holes on this team..I've seen this guy up close and personal EVERY GAME the few years he was here -- he's deficient in every category..You wanna tell me he's a good glue guy, a nice guy, a good locker room guy...Not enough, sorry..And his defense is OVERRATED to a fault..All I wanted was a skilled big man. Was that too much to ask for? Apparently. I bleed orange & blue and I'll root like heck for both of these guys as soon as D'Antoni give them a run..That's the bottom line..Just have to hope for the best.. |
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Knickoftime
Posts: 24159 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/13/2011 Member: #3370 |
3/1/2011 3:44 PM
Finestrg wrote:Yeah you're right...I guess I was dreaming when Anthony Mason was doing that for us.. Apparently, because in Anthony Mason's non-dream first season with the Knicks, he played in all 82 games, not the last 24. It's also fascinating how some of you simply live in denial that Mike D'Antoni is the head coach of the Knicks. You're well within your right to criticize him for it, but anyone who thinks D'Antoni is going to give significant minutes to a project center with 24 games left and Philly just a game behind simply doesn't bother to understand Mike D'Antoni. |
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Olbrannon
Posts: 21913 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 10/2/2009 Member: #2919 USA |
3/1/2011 4:07 PM
Rookie wrote:joec32033 wrote:Knickoftime wrote:Hollinger, in a recent "Under the radar players to trade for" article:"Derrick Brown, Bobcats Right right...the numbers must be right...oh wait...what were Reggie Miller's measurements? Anyone remember? 'NBA athleticism' is over-rated. To hear some these days Kevin McHale wouldn't even get a look 'cause he didn't fit the mold. Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans
"The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
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misterearl
Posts: 38786 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 11/16/2004 Member: #799 USA |
3/1/2011 4:11 PM
What Can (Derrick) Brown Do For You?
From nbadraft.net: NBA Comparison: Derrick McKey Strengths: At a lanky 6-8, he has great size for the SF position … Has transferred his game effectively to the perimeter … Very explosive leaper … A southpaw, which gives him an unorthodox offensive game … Smooth release on his jumpshot; he has improved his accuracy and consistency drastically … Has extremely long strides that allow him to cover space with his first step as well as with his spin moves … His jab and shot fake are his go to moves and are very effective, forcing the defenders to back off … He is a crafty finisher around the hoop using his wingspan to make tough shots … From time to time he shows some nice hesitation and crossover moves that he uses off the dribble … Has the versatility to back people down in the post where he can use his length to finish … A very team oriented player, he looks to work within the offense to get his scoring opportunities … Has the ability to block shots thanks to his long arms … Weaknesses: He has come a long way, but still lacks a specific go-to aspect to his game … A bit passive, does not look to take over and defers to teammates far too often … His first step is limited and his handles are a work in progress, which makes it difficult for him to get by people off the dribble … Nice leaping ability is somewhat wasted in the half court because he rarely gets his shoulders fully by the defender … Lacks upper body strength to play through contact … His release is fairly slow allowing defenders to close out on him, making open shots far more difficult … He is much more consistent shooting with his feet set … His pullup jumper is all over the place, at times he converts on difficult attempts, but very often he has bad misses … Does not create many opportunities for his teammates … His back to the basket game becomes predictable as he continuously turns to his right shoulder and shoots a fading jumper … Defensively, he lacks the lateral quickness to stay infront of perimeter players, and his body is not yet strong enough to let him guard PFs. once a knick always a knick
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NYKBocker
Posts: 38412 Alba Posts: 474 Joined: 1/14/2003 Member: #377 USA |
3/1/2011 4:15 PM
Panos wrote:jimimou wrote:
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Knicksfan
Posts: 33475 Alba Posts: 27 Joined: 7/5/2004 Member: #691 USA |
3/1/2011 4:16 PM
Would you wave Sheldon Williams to sign Leon Powe?
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BigDaddyG
Posts: 39886 Alba Posts: 9 Joined: 1/22/2010 Member: #3049 |
3/1/2011 4:22 PM
Knicksfan wrote:Would you wave Sheldon Williams to sign Leon Powe? Shelden is a much better rebounder than Powe, so I wouldn't do. But I wouldn't blow a gasket if we did. Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
- The Tick
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misterearl
Posts: 38786 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 11/16/2004 Member: #799 USA |
3/1/2011 4:31 PM
Let My People Play (all dialogue reported verbatim)
“(Corey Brewer) wanted to play and I couldn’t promise him that he was going to play,” D’Antoni said. “I had no idea. His group thought it was better that he go somewhere where he can play.” What D'Antoni meant to say: "Brewer's people asked Donnie and me about playing time. Donnie said Brewer could play when he learned to make a jump shot with greater frequency than a rec league third stringer. I just laughed. It was all downhill from there" once a knick always a knick
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Finestrg
Posts: 27296 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/1/2006 Member: #1069 |
3/1/2011 4:31 PM LAST EDITED: 3/1/2011 4:46 PM
Knickoftime wrote:Finestrg wrote:Yeah you're right...I guess I was dreaming when Anthony Mason was doing that for us.. Huh? So because it's the last 24 games, we should scrap any & all ideas of bolstering the frontline/improving the rebounding and just go with what we have? 'Go get 'em Ronny--only 24 to go---now's the time to kick it in to that extra gear'! Come on...ALL WHILE the top teams in the conference are in the process of re-tooling their teams for the stretch drive??? They can reinforce their clubs but we can't?? I couldn't care less that there's 24 games to go pal -- that's 24 games left to get this thing right in my book..Not for more of the same..The rebounding problem cost us one of these precious remaining games the other night in Cleveland for Christ's sake.. And whoever said the frontline reinforcement in question has to strictly be a bench guy anyway? I never said that...In fact, the guys I were looking to add would've been instant starters on this team right next to Amar'e & Melo, Earl Barron included.. And yeah, everyone around here has a pretty good idea what D'Antoni's all about by now..What he does well, he's given credit for..When he does something questionable, he's criticized. Right now I'm criticizing -- I agree with you that he probably wouldn't be behind a DL call-up of 6'11" 255 lb. DL C Marcus Cousin for example. Even if Donnie insisted and brought him in -- would he start? Hard to say..Probably not, at least at first, but maybe..I'd like to think that even for a narrow-minded guy like D'Antoni, a guy like Cousin's talent would've shone through pretty quickly..What'd ya want me to tell ya?? Amar'e's not a good rebounder, neither is Turiaf...We've known this for awhile now.. I don't know what the thought process is over there but we've known about the rebounding problem ALL YEAR..Now we've had a chance to do something about it, to pick up specific pieces that could've addressed it & improved upon it, and we didn't, instead opting to go with a project undersized hybrid F stuck between the 3 & the 4 and a stiff of a big man that did very little here for us the first time around. It's justifiable for some to be upset about this. Again, all we can do is hope for the best at this point.. |
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Panos
Posts: 30087 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 1/6/2004 Member: #520 |
3/1/2011 4:46 PM
NYKBocker wrote:Panos wrote:jimimou wrote: Takes Trash-mail to a whole new level! |
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Knickoftime
Posts: 24159 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/13/2011 Member: #3370 |
3/1/2011 4:59 PM LAST EDITED: 3/1/2011 5:00 PM
Finestrg wrote:Huh?!? So because it's the last 24 games, we should scrap any & all ideas of bolstering the frontline/improving the rebounding and just go with what we have? 'Go get 'em Ronny--only 24 to go, time to kick it in to that extra gear'! Come on...ALL WHILE the top teams in the conference are in the process of re-tooling their teams for the stretch drive??? Who has Chicago added? Orlando? Atlanta? Boston has so far added Troy Murphy. Miami has so added no one, they are expected to add Bibby. But then Miami's roster was ALREADY 9-deep with waiver wire players, they're just replacing, not retooling. And if you feel like Googling "NBA, waiver wire impact" you find a few articles spelling it out clearly. Few of these moves ever make much of an impact. They can reinforce their clubs but we can't?? You're arguing with yourself. Knicks have waived players and brought in 2 new ones, which in fact is the most moves (so far) of any team. Not liking the moves they're making and arguing that they are doing anything are two different things. I couldn't care less that there's 24 games to go pal -- that's 24 games left to get this thing right in my book..Not for more of the same..The rebounding problem cost us one of these precious remaining games the other night in Cleveland for Christ's sake.. The dynamic here is you're spouting platitudes and I'm expressing pragmatism. No one is against or arguing in opposition to the Knicks theoretically addressing a team weakness. You're just vastly overestimating the Knicks ability to do so via the waiver wire. And whoever said the frontline reinforcement in question has to strictly be a bench guy anyway? I never said that...In fact, the guys I were looking to add would've been instant starters on this team right next to Amar'e & Melo, Earl Barron included.. In YOUR mind. Barron has been available to the Knicks ALL year save for the week or so he was Phoenix. I'd like to think that even for a narrow-minded guy like D'Antoni, a guy like Cousin's talent would've shone through pretty quickly..What'd ya want me to tell ya?? Start with why Cousin's talent isn't shining through for any of the other 29 teams in the NBA? Now we've had a chance to do something about it, to pick up specific pieces that could've addressed it & improved upon it, and we didn't, instead opting to go with a project undersized hybrid F stuck between the 3 & the 4 and a stiff of a big man that did very little here for us the first time around. It's justifiable for some to be upset about this. Again, all we can do is hope for the best at this point.. I'm not telling you how to feel. I'm telling you Jeffries is coming back for a VERY specific reason you choose to ignore. Expecting the Knicks to demonstratively improve by adding waiver wire or D-League players with 24 games left in the regular season is just ignorant - ignorant of what's available and ignorant of how the head coach is liable to use a player of the caliber available to the KNicks right now. |
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Olbrannon
Posts: 21913 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 10/2/2009 Member: #2919 USA |
3/1/2011 5:40 PM
No one is against or arguing in opposition to the Knicks theoretically addressing a team weakness. You're just vastly overestimating the Knicks ability to do so via the waiver wire. Man this is 'Fields of Dreams' Roy Hobbs is somewhere in the landry. Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans
"The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
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