Bonn1997 wrote:Bippity10 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Bippity10 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Bippity10 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:4.) Carmelo has been with us for about 30 games. He's literally carreid us in at least 8 or 9 of those and has hit 2 or 3 game winners. He's put us on his back more times in 30 games then David Lee did in 5 years. He has more game winners then Gallo, Wilson and company combined. How do you watch this guy for 30 games and say he's an "above average player"? Because of shooting statistics?
You're simply judging a different sample than I am. For his career, I call Carmelo an above average starter, which means he's better than about 85% of the players in the league. For the past 30 games, he has played like a true star--a trend that I am skeptical will continue but I really hope it does. For the trade to pay off, it must continue.
85% of the players in the NBA. Let's see 450 NBA players. We place Carmelo in the top 15%. That's about 75 players. So you are saying that there are 75 players in the NBA if given the same opportunity as Carmelo could be the leader of the team and average 25-28 points. Grab 6-8 rebounds. Shoot 46% from the field. 81% from the line? Is this what you are saying?
Are you on crack?
No, is my answer to every one of your questions. Got any more ridiculous questions?
Personally I thought it was a legitimate question
You've added about 100 players to the NBA (30 x 12 = 360). It's revealing how limited your knowledge of the game is that you think all that goes into being a top player is scoring and rebounding (or through faulty logic premised your question on nothing but scoring or rebounding).
1.) each team can carry up to 15 on their rosters doctor math
2.) How limited my knowledge is: I mentioned scoring, rebounding, leadership, wins, shooting percentage, assists, turnovers, play down the stretch of games, game winning shots, 3 point shooting, trips to the foul line, foul shooting and defense. I've talked about where I think he is great and where I think he's defiecient. It's all over this thread. Reading comprehension my friend. We've been talking for a couple days now, and all that stuff has been mentioned. It is you that seem to be narrowing it down to scoring and rebounding. I'm just curious how you think there are 75 players that can do the combination of things he does. And are you getting this information from NBA2K9. Because when I play Danilo in NBA2K9 he rips Carmelo a new arsehole consistently.
With *some* teams carrying 15 players, you still won't get to your number of players. In your questions, you're mentioning nothing but scoring and rebounding (and contributing factors like shooting percentage). Your question about whether 75 players can put up 25 points and 6 rebounds makes sense only if you think those are the two factors that go into being a top player. Otherwise, your question is senseless (and even contradicts things you mentioned earlier in the thread where you acknowledged there are other factors). Because you're actually complimenting Melo's defense, I get the strong feeling your basing a lot of what you're saying on the Knicks sample also, which I've been clear is only a small percentage of the sample I am using.
1.) Some teams carry 15 players. Some teams also call up players from the NBDL and some players come back from Europe and someone else gets cut. I'd say it's accurate that about 450 players played in the NBa this year. But let's be conservative and say only 400 players played. You are still saying there are 60 players as good or better the Carmelo. You would be in the bottom 1 % of basketball fans and analysts that would say this. Maybe you clearly do have more basketball knowledge then everyone else.
2.) My question included points, rebounds, shooting percentage and foul shooting. My follow up question included leadership and wins. The 80 prior posts on this thread included plays down the stretch, defense, steals, blocks, game winners, Falling asleep on defense, bonehead plays in the clutch. Anyone that reads this thread can see that all of this has been discussed. You are the only one missing it
3.) Where in this thread did I compliment his defense. As a matter of fact I've destroyed him today in regards to his defense and his bonehead plays down the stretch. And yet you insist this is not being discussed. You seem to be the only one that is only talking about scoring. I actually don't think he's played very good defense for the knicks and has fallen asleep at crucial moments of a game, this still doesn't drop him to the status of 15% of the players in the NBa, however many that is. It's like sayign last year that Dwight Howard was only top 15% because he struggled at the line and could only make a shot if someone force fed him the ball at the rim. He never had to be double teamed and was TAKEN OUT OF GAMES down the stretch at times because he was a liability. This in no way means he was just an above average player. His impact on the game was still more then nearly everyone in the league because of his dominance on the boards and defensively. You have to game plan for him. Carmelo is the same in reverse. He struggles on D but is a dominant, dominant offensive player. You can't diminsih this fact. You have to game plan for Carmelo. You don't have to game plan for above average starters. Whether you like his D or not, his effect on the game is still significant
4.)A lot of people said that in Denver Carmelo was doing these wonderful things. Many said he wasn't. Then he comes to NY and does all these wonderful things that people were saying he did in Denver and yet somehow you are convinced that we are only using NY as a sample size. I saw enough games in Denver to not in anyway be suprised by what I'm seeing. In fact I predicted it. Maybe your surprise at this small NY sample is because you really didn't see him in Denver
5.) I didn't want to do the trade.
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