CrushAlot wrote:

CashMoney wrote:What was Utah thinking

Wojo just said that they didn't want to wait and end up like Cleveland and Toronto.

Sure but he's not a FA until 2012. Utah could have got a heck of a lot more.

fishmike wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:The minutes HAVE TO BE factored in, as well as his age and the pace he will be asked to play. Look, i'm not upset that Chauncey Billups is going to be giving the Knicks 30 MPG. But what's going to happen when he has to play 42 the first night of a back-to-back

Pace is relatively the same.

And he averages 32.3m a game. Last year he averaged 35. The difference is likely more due to Lawson being a very capable back-up.

Nash is averaging 33.3.

Kidd 33.7.

Playing the age card is pretty weak.

If there is evidence that Chauncey Billups can't 33m a night, produce it.

"34" doesn't cut the mustard.

age is a huge factor and Billups isnt a long term solution. His play has tailed off because he's not the defensive player he was 2-3 years ago.

Billups is a short term upgrade, but Felton was a good fall back option if we couldnt sign or trade for a star PG. Thats exhasted now. Same with Mosgov at center. Would have been nice to keep one of those guys but thus is life

Age is a huge factor. But no one should point to stats - Felton averaged 12pts and 5assists before coming here. Mike's system pumps up PG numbers. I bet Chauncey averages 18ppg and 9apg the rest of this season in NY. Mike's system is a point guard's dream - as is playing with Amar'e.

nychamp wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:WOW.

NJ always ends up with the superior PG's. Jason Kidd and now Deron Williams.

Im HIGHLY salty right now. I love some Carmelo but Deron Williams is a beast.

Salty right now? Shocker.

Let us know when you're unsalty, that would be news.

nychamp wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:WOW.

NJ always ends up with the superior PG's. Jason Kidd and now Deron Williams.

Im HIGHLY salty right now. I love some Carmelo but Deron Williams is a beast.

Salty right now? Shocker.

Let us know when you're unsalty, that would be news.

Deron Williams is the best PG in the league. Point blank Deron Williams is nasty. Sweet jumper, elite athlete, and sick handle. 20 and 10 PGs dont grow on trees. Imagine Williams under D'Antoni.

spreeeewell wrote:Deron Williams is the best point guard in the game. Im happy for him and Nets.

You're happier than Williams. Runor has it that he's shocked at the trade.

crzymdups wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

crzymdups wrote:For anyone saying the Nets gave up less to get DWill, a guy the don't even know if he's going to re-sign past 2012, consider they gave up basically 3 lotto picks: Favors #3 overall in 2010, their own 2011 pick and the Warriors top 7 protected pick in 2012. That's a lot. I'm sorry but Gallo = a lotto pick, but Wilson and Mozgov do not.

Deron Williams is the BEST PG in in the game. They basically stole him.

Williams is going to make those other guys better. The East is so stacked.

It was a fair deal. I don't know about stole though.

And the big question is whether he re-signs there - his first reaction implies that he is shocked and dismayed. Doesn't sound like a guy who will want to re-sign long term. Orlando and the Lakers are both going to have cap room in 2012. I could see Deron wanting to play for a better franchise.

As far as best PG, Chris Paul is still the best. Rondo and DRose aren't too shabby either. DWill is definitely a top 5 PG.

fishmike wrote:Fiercely competitive dude just got sent to the NBA wasteland.

Yeah. It's a decent gamble by the Nets, but that's really what it is - a gamble.

No one wants to go to New Jersey right now. Maybe DWill helps change that... or maybe he's dying to get out of there for the next season and a half and the Nets have to trade him at the deadline next season?

If nothing else, this trade gives Knicks fans upset about the Melo trade something further to gripe about.

Utah got three lotto picks out of New Jersey - we didn't have those kinds of assets to offer. People will say we should have gotten DWill... but I question whether it was even possible. Again Wilson and Mozgov are nice assets, but they're not lotto picks.

This trade allows Utah to select Jimmer Fredette in the lotto this year, in all likelihood. Their fan base will be thrilled.

Knickoftime wrote:Deron Williams Spin Control:

The tweets are coming fast and furious.

Spin: Prokhorov will get Williams to buy into vision of Nets franchise and sign extension after new CBA is ratified.

Truth: Williams doesn't have to buy into it. He can keep his options open and make Prokhorov put up or shut up. Williams will resign WHEN the Nets make more significant moves, not in the idea they want to and will try to. He gains nothing by giving them the benefit of the doubt.

Spin: The Knicks should have tried for Williams instead. They slept on this and the Nets took advantage.

Truth: Utah is no NYC, but they do have phones and the internet.If Utah was interesting in Felton/fill-in-the-blanks, they could have reached out to the Knicks themselves.

Rebuilding teams like lottery picks.

+1

totally agree.

I remember when the Nets were going to sell Lebron on Brooklyn. Then Melo. They haven't sold it on anyone yet.

And the lotto picks thing is a big point. I think a key reason Denver liked the Knicks package of young veterans in the end was because George Karl wanted to make the playoffs desperately and they saw the value in that.

This move didn't involve Chess

This move was WAR GAMES

SOVIET UNION IS BACK.....MIKHAIL GORBACHEV IS BACK

BigSm00th wrote:LOL if deron didn't like playing for sloan i doubt he'll enjoy the Little General either.

Utah got a good deal.

Looks like Deron got some trade karma. Utah was smart to avoid all the uncertainty in 2012.