Markji wrote:First, I didn't say to make them a lowball offer. In other places I usually stated to make a fair offer.
Which is what exactly?
The Nuggetts and Nets know that Melo only wants the Knicks. Both want the Knicks to give more. And it is a coup if the Nets wind up with Gallinari or Mozgov. A big plus for the Nets to establish themselves as a major league player/negotiator as an NBA Franchise.
Two things wrong here.
Most importantly you're now arguing assuming the Nuggets WILL get Gallinari and Mosgov, and than the Nets will get them. That has not been established. The only reports I've seen is that's what the Nuggets are asking for, and given it's still 3 days until the deadline, why they hell wouldn't they?
Secondly, when exactly did the Gallinari and Mosgov (in particular) become these sought after commodities? Denver, for one, apparently doesn't want them.
And you don't think if Denver values draft picks, the Knicks aren't out there looking at the other 27 NBA teams, seeing if Chandler/Gallinari/Mosgov can net them something Denver wants more?
You're entitled to think highly of those players and you might be right, but you're transposing your regard for them on the rest of the NBA, assuming the NBA community is going to think Prokhorov pulled off some huge coup.
Prokorov did do things to get the Knicks to up their offer. He even publically stated that.
Yes, he also released statements saying he wasn't getting into the 'Melo negotiations again, and he wasn't meeting 'Melo in LA over the weekend.
He also made it clear to the MSNBC reporter that he was going heloskiiing today. This is a man apparently very concerned about his image in the media.
So Prokorov spins not getting Anthony for the media and you buy into HIS version of events hook, line and sinker?
I'll ask again, how did he get the Knicks to raise their offer?
Knicks offer was what? (a), and Prokorov got them to raise it to (b)?
Spell out what (a) and (b) are exactly?
Lastly, and on this I hope I am wrong, but which NBA team do you root for?
Is this a trick question? :-)
I'm a Knicks fans, who happens to be a self-employed writer who has NO professional connection with the NBA or sports in general.
BlueSeats can vouch for me. If I'm not some plant. If I was, my diabolical play started 5 years ago on another KNicks forum.
Again, I do apologize if this is off, and I don't mean any harm. This kind of just jumped out at me and so I thought to enquire.
No problem. I'm impossible to offend. I'm just having fun and like to go at it and don't mind if I get it back in return.
And that said, let me add one other thing.
The Knicks offer? For months we've heard Chandler/Curry/Randolph (or draft pick swap).
If this truly was the Knicks offer, and made months ago, what can we all conclude for certain?
Anyone...?
That it was NOT their last, best offer. It was their opening offer. Which means unless Donnie Walsh is a buffoon, Knicks were always prepared to go higher. Walsh knew it, D'Antoni knew it.
Honestly, I'm fully expecting the trade as reported (minus Mozgov) to go down. What Denver decides to do with what they get I don't care.
Frankly, at the end of the day, i think the Knicks are being more sly than anyone is giving them credit for.
They always knew they weren't getting outta dodge just giving up Chandler. But what does all the Dolan/Isiah, Walsh/D'Antoni stuff do?
A: It creates the impression that Denver is taking advantage of the Knicks and getting something out of them they might not get otherwise.
This was Scott Boras' tactic during the A-Rod thing a few years back. He got the media believing A-Rod was pissed at him and he made a big mistake and that A-Rod broke free of his influence and went to the Yankees with hat in hand.
Then the Yankees put the largest professional sports contract in history in his hat.
THAT's how you do it.
Knicks were always prepared to go higher than Chandler/Anthony, and the logical additional was Gallinari. Anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves.
Which means it's very possible the Knicks will come away with exactly what they wanted for the price they were always willing to pay.
If the Knicks are sacrificing a few news cycles to solidify the move they want to make, they're winning the war, even if some of the media and fans aren't savvy enough to recognize it.