I'm going to wait a few days and just see what happens. If Melo is here, wonderful. I'm expecting that when we make that trade, we're not going to feel like we got totally raped. Gallo is pretty valuable and, quite frankly, a future star, IMHO. If he is a centerpiece of a trade, it shouldn't take more than 1 or 2 more good assets to get Carmelo. If Carmelo is not here, I expect this is done with a strategy of not overpaying and I fully expect us to sign him this offseason. If somehow we don't get Carmelo, we still have opportunities at both Chris Paul and Dwight Howard the following offseason. Period. That's all. I'm done worrying about this Melodrama. The media can shove it.

martin wrote:not the context of what I was asking. try again. Nix was saying that Gallo/Chandler are replaceable after the Melo trade.

And my response is one of the replacements is Anthony.

Was is that not legimitate?

holfresh wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:

It's going to happen. You all know it.

U are reminding me of all the Arab states that's telling their people it's Americans behind the protest...They want to take us over ...Let's unite and conquer the Americans..

You remind me of the guy who loves Isiah and Marbury so much that he can't admit that they were awful and complete failures for this franchise.

Childs2Dudley wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:

It's going to happen. You all know it.

U are reminding me of all the Arab states that's telling their people it's Americans behind the protest...They want to take us over ...Let's unite and conquer the Americans..

You remind me of the guy who loves Isiah and Marbury so much that he can't admit that they were awful and complete failures for this franchise.

How do you know that..U just started posting in 2010..

nixluva wrote:

martin wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

martin wrote:Could you? Please name them for me. A couple of 16/5.5 guys who are 23 who have range on the shots. Who are they and how do the Knicks acquire them within the next few years and also within the context of their salary cap? Any examples will do. Also note that NY will have to replace a retiring Billups.

Well, one of them is named Carmelo Anthony, who is a 25/7.6 guy, and if Amare Stoudemire is any indication, his value goes beyond the pure stats.

not the context of what I was asking. try again. Nix was saying that Gallo/Chandler are replaceable after the Melo trade.

My comment was more about ALL role players in general, but your being specific doesn't really change things much. I like Chan and Gallo. They still have upside and could get better than they currently are. Still they are role players and Gallo is replaced by Melo. So in truth we're looking for a guy that can help to replace some of what we lost in Chandler.

I don't know exactly who Donnie would get but just looking at the stats of the players available, there are guys who could be capable replacements. Maybe they try to make a deal for Tayshaun, Carl Landry or Maggette. I'm not Donnie, so i'm sure there are other options I haven't thought of.

nix, I am posting this for the millionth time. This is the real world scenario for the Knicks after the Denver trade.

Amare  		 $19.9 
Melo		 $19.9 
Turiaf 		
Mozgov 		 $3.1 
TD		 $2.0 
Williams 	 $1.0 
Rautins 	 $1.0 
Fields 		 $3.0 
2011 First Round $1.0 
-------------------------		
		 $50.9

Without a 2012, 2014 pick and a 36 year old expiring Chauncy, how does that team upgrade significantly enough to beat CHI, MIA, LAL, OKC, with the general assumption that those teams could also upgrade in small bits too and will compete for the same UFA's.

Knicks need to upgrade defense, starting PG, bench depth, backup PG. And we also assume that Moz and Fields are good enough starting caliber players for deep playoff team.

You just put out names of Tayshaun and Maggette, both of whom are making $10M this year but will probably come down in price. Perhaps $7M?

So now your team is Moz, Amare, Melo, Fields, PG. Bench: Williams, Rautins, Tayshaun/Maggette type. You have another $6M for a starting PG.

Does that team really compete against LAL, MIA, CHI?

Mostly it seems to me you haven't really considered beyond the initial transaction of the Melo trade.

nixluva wrote:

martin wrote:

nixluva wrote:

martin wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

martin wrote:Could you? Please name them for me. A couple of 16/5.5 guys who are 23 who have range on the shots. Who are they and how do the Knicks acquire them within the next few years and also within the context of their salary cap? Any examples will do. Also note that NY will have to replace a retiring Billups.

Well, one of them is named Carmelo Anthony, who is a 25/7.6 guy, and if Amare Stoudemire is any indication, his value goes beyond the pure stats.

not the context of what I was asking. try again. Nix was saying that Gallo/Chandler are replaceable after the Melo trade.

My comment was more about ALL role players in general, but your being specific doesn't really change things much. I like Chan and Gallo. They still have upside and could get better than they currently are. Still they are role players and Gallo is replaced by Melo. So in truth we're looking for a guy that can help to replace some of what we lost in Chandler.

I don't know exactly who Donnie would get but just looking at the stats of the players available, there are guys who could be capable replacements. Maybe they try to make a deal for Tayshaun, Carl Landry or Maggette. I'm not Donnie, so i'm sure there are other options I haven't thought of.

nix, I am posting this for the millionth time. This is the real world scenario for the Knicks after the Denver trade.

Amare  		 $19.9 
Melo		 $19.9 
Turiaf 		
Mozgov 		 $3.1 
TD		 $2.0 
Williams 	 $1.0 
Rautins 	 $1.0 
Fields 		 $3.0 
2011 First Round $1.0 
-------------------------		
		 $50.9

Without a 2012, 2014 pick and a 36 year old expiring Chauncy, how does that team upgrade significantly enough to beat CHI, MIA, LAL, OKC, with the general assumption that those teams could also upgrade in small bits too and will compete for the same UFA's.

Knicks need to upgrade defense, starting PG, bench depth, backup PG. And we also assume that Moz and Fields are good enough starting caliber players for deep playoff team.

You just put out names of Tayshaun and Maggette, both of whom are making $10M this year but will probably come down in price. Perhaps $7M?

So now your team is Moz, Amare, Melo, Fields, PG. Bench: Williams, Rautins, Tayshaun/Maggette type. You have another $6M for a starting PG.

Does that team really compete against LAL, MIA, CHI?

Mostly it seems to me you haven't really considered beyond the initial transaction of the Melo trade.

Are you arguing that we shouldn't do the deal since STAT and Melo eat up a large chunk of the cap? Wasn't this salary structure going to be tough no matter who we sent in the deal? STAT and Melo were always going to eat up a lot of cap space. We weren't going to be able to add expensive players after the top tier guys anyway. That's the same kind of problem Miami has. Even with the trio taking less money.

The job is tough, but that's why Donnie gets paid the big bucks. I don't know who we'll end up looking to add. It could turnout to be anyone. We still have another year to go before we get to the point where we have to replace Billups. So much can change between now and then. We pulled Timo and Williams out of thin air and who's to say where we find the next role player we need to fill in. DW might sign Barron after the deal. We'll likely get Sheldon Williams for additional depth.
Donnie may just buy some picks for the draft and try to fill in spots that way.

Papabear Says

The Knicks just might get Wilson Chandler back by bidding for him. I believe that whats on the table may not be true. I also think that the Isiah thing was a set up.

martin wrote:

nixluva wrote:Are you arguing that we shouldn't do the deal since STAT and Melo eat up a large chunk of the cap? Wasn't this salary structure going to be tough no matter who we sent in the deal? STAT and Melo were always going to eat up a lot of cap space. We weren't going to be able to add expensive players after the top tier guys anyway. That's the same kind of problem Miami has. Even with the trio taking less money.

The job is tough, but that's why Donnie gets paid the big bucks. I don't know who we'll end up looking to add. It could turnout to be anyone. We still have another year to go before we get to the point where we have to replace Billups. So much can change between now and then. We pulled Timo and Williams out of thin air and who's to say where we find the next role player we need to fill in. DW might sign Barron after the deal. We'll likely get Sheldon Williams for additional depth.
Donnie may just buy some picks for the draft and try to fill in spots that way.

I am arguing that we shouldn't do the deal because what you are left with will not allow you to make additional moves to build us to a championship team.

I don't care what Amare and Melo make if we have additional resources to either bring a 3rd all-star (no less a Deron/CP3) or enough pieces to finish building the puzzle.

BUT. With Amare/Melo taking 2/3 of cap, and without draft picks OR young players who are trade-able AND having to fill starting PG, defense, bench... I don't see a way to build.

And by your responses, you don't either.

Donnie does get paid the big bucks, but if he is left with zero, even Donnie can't build after that.

If you can't even get to 2 Stars, you can pretty much forget it. Going for 3 is the Holy Grail. I'll give you that we will have run low on assets after this trade, but I don't know if that's enough for me to just not do the deal.

Childs2Dudley wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Knixkik wrote:We are getting rid of a lot, and it sucks. Adding Mozgov to the deal makes it difficult because collectively it is so much to lose. But at the end of the day, Mozgov can and should not be the deal-breaker. He has some upside, but is an projected rotation player at best. Also, Sheldon Williams inclusion in the deal will somewhat supplement it. We should wait this thing out, but cannot let Mozgov get in the way of this deal. We are still retaining Fields, who is our best prospect along with Gallo. Just the fact that we are keeping one of the two is great.

No no no no--thats a deal breaker--its not the one piece its the collective.. walkway dolan and go to FA. f ridiculous now. I was going to back the trade of what was mentioned but this tipped the boat. If someone argues that Mosgov shouldnt be a deal beaker---you havent been in business a long time.
the volume of talented young assets is way too much if we give up Mosgov--its collective not one piece.

The volume of talent does not equal Melo in any way. Let's not overrate what we have here. We have very good young player, but no superstar talents. We have 2 great young chips in Gallo and Fields, we would only be trading 1. If you shop this entire package of players around the league, you won't get a player anywhere near as good as Melo, let alone Billups too, who is a 5-time all-star and finals MVP. Sometimes you have to take chances. I'm willing to chance a superstar for a group of good role players.

You sound like an idiot. Mosgov 24 gallo 22 WC 22 Randolph 21 felton 26 pick 2014. My man you dont give up a whole team for a non 5. If it was 23 YO Shaq--i would do it--this has tipped the scales--dont be s tupid think about it.

I can't believe some of you are content being stuck as a mediocre team. What is the plan going forward? Wait for our players to develop into great role players while Stoudemire's prime fades away? It is time to take a chance and get stars. We have an opportunity to add 2 more in the next 2 years. Let's go for it. We are not letting role players get in the way. We are retaining arguable our best young player in Fields and have a mid first round pick this summer to add talent. You have to give to get. Read this article if you need a second opinion. Mozgov, Gallo, and Chandler are not the answer to winning a championship in the near future.

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/columns/story?columnist=oconnor_ian&id=6142327

It's sad that you've been a member here since 2001, went through the Isiah Era, and still want to continue to do Isiah-esque moves.

Hopefully we don't lose him, but this is far from an Isiah move. We have never dealt for a player of this caliber. We are also not taking on additional salary, and not dealing more than one future draft pick. How is this an Isiah move? Mozgov could eventually become a solid center in this league, but he is not a deal-breaker. He can be replaced in the draft this summer. I've been here since 2001, and we have been bad for most of the time. Now that we have a star and can add another, we can finally be good. I would rather do that then be left with players who combined will never amount to Melo's impact. Role players are replaceable but this is a star's league. I think some of you are so used to losing that you are just content being an average team and talking about the future until our current star is past his prime. Not what i am interested in.

If we don't play well, which is what is probably going to happen, we need to bring fake Money to the game to throw at "Me"lo. Disgraceful for him to be in on his future team essentially trading away the team, just so he has "financial security" LOL.