Michael6835 wrote:

blkexec wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:I can't believe that I actually agree with Barkley. He also stated that this deal is turble.

I agree with Barkley too....But I also think the prior discussion with melo on Thursday must have made the knicks think twice about waiting for free agency.

I personally would love to keep Chandler, because he's the perfect 6 man to have....Plays 3 positions, and plays both ends of the floor.

But again, if Denver acting like they hold the cards, I would "pull out of the deal" just to call their bluff....Including Melo (who clearly doesn't want to sign with the Nets or Nuggets).

Take my chances adding either Paul and D.Williams in 2012.

Chandler and Gallo combined has more upside than Melo (in my opinion).....Simply because these guys play both ends of the floor. Again, just upside....Melo is still better than both right now, because he's a game changer....as a consistent scoring threat, and a closer.

But here's another point....With Melo and STAT on the team,it will be much easier to add D.Williams or D.Howard, and match up with Miami's / Celtics big three....If we have the CAP room.

I'm going back and forth on this deal....Just reminds me of the Starbury lopsided trade, but even more lopsided! And with Dolan (aka Isiah) running things now, that scares me even more.

Its funny, you say Gallo/Chandler have more upside than Melo, but Melo is better now because he's a game changer. How can he be a game changer and not have upside? Go get role players to plug the problem areas, much easier to find role players than game changers.
i like gallo and chandler too, but i desperate to have a contending team in the worst way

I'm warming up to the idea....I just hate feeling like we are over paying for him!

PresIke wrote:

Nalod wrote:Melo is good but this is like trading Parker and Manu for in prime McGrady.

in no way do i see this.

who's parker, who's manu?

gallo? chandler?

maybe...but if we had parker and manu we wouldn't even be considering this trade.

Parker and Manu? Those guys have rings and are playing like they want another one. All set and done, they are probably hall of famers down the line.

Can we say that about Wilson\Gallo?
I see the comparison because SA drafted them and built them up, but really no comparison.

93BUICK wrote:We hope it's more like the Shaq to Miami for Odom and Butler deal- giving up on 2 very talented, useful players for a truly dominant one-

I would agree with this comparison.
The heat went on to win a title.

nixluva wrote:There were those who felt that there really wasn't much difference between STAT and Lee. The stats look pretty close and neither guy was known for great D. Still you have the intangible part of the game that goes overlooked when just looking at stats. STAT impacts the game and forces the other team to change how they play. Lee doesn't have that kind of effect on opponents. Melo is a similar impact player. He's not the most efficient star, but he can totally destroy a teams defense and he instills fear in opposing teams. Melo hits game winning shots and has no fear when going up against the best players in the league.

The thing is that when you pair 2 dominant players like this together theirs an exponential effect. It's not like they cancel each other out. They enhance each other and cause major problems for the other team. How do you gameplan for the Knicks in the future with 2 unstoppable players. The Celtics don't have that. Pierce and Allen are really good, but they're not unstoppable. Only the Heat in the East have 2 truly unstoppable players like that. That will eventually put us in the elite level in the East. I can't understand why some fans are against this trade. This is the start of how we can build a title team.

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the mayor is a RESTRICTED free-agent. that doesn't mean he will leave (if i read things correctly).

yahoo stated that it's gallo not fields, to contradict his suggestion it is fields over gallo they want.

i think with affalo gallo makes more sense anyway.

Jim Dolan doesn't care bc he'll make mony with Carmelo on the team but it won't be a championship caliber club. It's ashame that a good man like Donnie Walsh is not shown enough respect. He's the one that pulled the Knicks out of the Isiah mess and now he is being pushed aside.

Uptown wrote:

Nalod wrote:Too much. The Russian made us over spend. He is In a hot tub with 10 supermodels and a white persian cat laughing his ass off.

He got Dolan to blow off. Melo is good but this is like trading Parker and Manu for in prime McGrady. Wouldn't do it. Dolan got involved. Walsh is home shaking his head. Wonder what if he even wants this.

Sober if all true.

Are you seriously comparing Chandler and Gallo to Manu and Parker?

Maybe we could have had Amare instead of trading the pick for Dice? Why does Dolan always cave for the starphuck?

Man can't go one season without cashing it all in. Amazing!

We had Denver by the balls. Dolan has none.

nixluva wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Nalod wrote:Too much. The Russian made us over spend. He is In a hot tub with 10 supermodels and a white persian cat laughing his ass off.

He got Dolan to blow off. Melo is good but this is like trading Parker and Manu for in prime McGrady. Wouldn't do it. Dolan got involved. Walsh is home shaking his head. Wonder what if he even wants this.

Sober if all true.

Are you seriously comparing Chandler and Gallo to Manu and Parker?

No, but it just seems we always trade potential for what is and you always overpay for it.

Maybe we could have had Amare instead of trading the pick for Dice? Why does Dolan always cave for the starphuck?

Man can't go one season without cashing it all in. Amazing!

We had Denver by the balls. Dolan has none.

I don't consider this to be that kind of situation. Melo is a desired stud in his prime. We're talking 25/8/3 asts!!! The guys can go off for 40 on any given night and he has the kind of closing skills that we've lacked. Teams won't know exactly what we're gonna do on end game possessions, cuz we've got two go to guys and a PG that you don't want to leave open either. That's the formula for a winning roster.

We're not super deep, but this is just the start. The 5 or 6 years we'll be in title contention.

5 or 6 years amare is almost done :) Ewing all over again.

Nalod wrote:Nix, you always simply happy. Good for you.

Dolan just destroyed Walsh's work via Isiah and Im not surprised if Donnie walks in April.

In fact MDA gotta be freaking. The idot little boy got into a fight over a toy (melo) and the russian just got dolan to over pay.

Let your basketball people run the team!

Dolan freaking caved. Got played by Kroenkes and the Russian.

Dolan never learns. Why do the knicks and rangers suck under him?

He cashes in too fast. Premature ejaculator the little phuch is! Im pissed.

Denver freaking played the little *******!

yup.

and denver is going to try to get fields, too, before it's said and done.

You give Mike better offensive players and his system only gets better. I think this is gonna prove to be a very big move for us. Chan and Gallo were very up and down. Melo isn't that kind of player. You pretty much know what you're getting night in and night out. Often we'd only get a good game out of one of Gallo or Chan. Sometimes both guys were off and we'd lose. Melo makes us much more consistent and neither Gallo or Chan can take over a game in crunchtime like Melo.

Remember when Kobe went off on us. Well now we have a guy that can go back at him and even the playing field.

Does anyone think this team is worse off over the next few years for making the trade, as rumored?

I can agree, this is not how I wanted to see the trade talks turn this weekend after being prepped to come away with a steal. But as much as I'd miss Gallo, Carmelo brings more of that star power we've been relying on from STAT for the first half of the season.

If Donnie had control of the matter, with out Dolan's interference, I would completely support waiting until the summer and signing Melo as a FA. He's given me enough confidence to see how that works out. But as the old saying goes, "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush." I would be OK if this deal goes through.