Nalod wrote:
Nalods opinion is based on what Melo will do in regards to taking risk. If he states and says he'll go free agent and serious then he is free on June 30th. I don't think a new CBA would be in effect at that moment.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Nalods opinion is based on what Melo will do in regards to taking risk. If he states and says he'll go free agent and serious then he is free on June 30th. I don't think a new CBA would be in effect at that moment.

Anyone know when the current CBA expires?

http://tinyurl.com/6h6mnhd

nixluva wrote:THe delay is all about Denver trying desperately to try to improve the deal. They have no leverage and the delay is just stalling to find a way to save face. In the end they can't win this battle. They need to just get it over with and move on.

They have to exhaust all options, and I certainly understand there cuase. Nothing goes down til the deadline, if they let that dude walk as a FA, that would be the biggest mistake in the history of the franchise, especially after watching 2 other teams suffer a similar fate less the 6 months ago.

This is excellent -- First I've seen it. Kind of sad that none of the reporters got to this before you did.

Does add some context and some insight into why Denver would be willing to something like this mid-season if they're getting back much less talent. Still imagine we have to do more for Minny, but that should be workable.

martin wrote:Just want to point out one more detail that isn't really highlighted in articles.

Salary Cap: $58M.
Luxury Cap: $70M.
Denver today: $83M. Luxury/Payments: ~$26M.

Trade:

Denver gets Brewer, Chandler, Pick.
NY: Melo
Twolves: $3M, AR, Curry.

I want to believe that a couple of more small parts will shake out of this, maybe Balkman to NY for $3M+player with lower salary slot.

So, after trade:

Starting Salary: 83.5
Chandler         +2.1
Brewer           +3.7
Melo            -17.1
Balk             -1.7
----------------------
                $70.5

You include the extra $3M the Knicks could include in the second trade, and you are talking about a savings just under $30M for Denver, nothing to sneeze at when you consider that the family who owns the team is changing management and ownership etc and the sale of the football team to the father of the head of the team.

fishmike wrote:there is a lot of smoke and mirrors to sift through... of all that we read I suspect about 20% of it is true.

What I *THINK* is that Melo isnt signing an extension until the Knicks are simply not an option. If he can be traded there or sign a FA MAX 5 year deal with the Knicks he will hold out signing an extension until those options are exhausted. He's from the East, played in the Garden in Big East, and is buddies with Amare. There is no secret about Melo's desires. The only thing in question is what he has said or hasnt said to Den and everyone else as far as signing and extension.

If you look at all thats been reported and his interviews he's simply said over and over that he's waiting and keeping his options open. Thats because he CANT say he will only sign with the Knicks. That makes his life in Denver hell and he's no dummy, so he's towing the line.

The Nuggets want a KG type package. Bos gave up picks, a stud young frontcourt player and some other pieces. What the Nets were (poof poof offering) is in that range...

The Knicks will not offer that. Walsh knows how hard it is to fill a roster with good young players, but also knows how hard it is to get a stud to build around. He fielded a subpar team for 2 years just for the CHANCE to get a guy to build around. He accomplished that and more, using the cap space, draft and trades to really overhaul the roster.

IF he can keep Gallo and Fields and Mosgov I think there isnt a player he wouldnt package, which is something I agree with and have said over and over again.

If you have:
Felton
Fields
Melo
Gallo
Amare
Mosgov
you have ALL the major pieces you need to build and elite team. Do Fields, Chandler and Mosgov need time? bigtime, especially Mos... but that guy works harder than anyone on the team and Amare and the rest of them know that and love him for it. He just need experience.

I'm sure we could get Melo for Mos, Gallo, Fields and Chandler and say take Harrington back and prob not even throw in future picks. Thats a crap trade for us and doesnt get us any closer to being an elite team then just staying pat and waiting.

THANK GOD we have Walsh.. because he's knows value and timing.

And I have ZERO problem with Dolan saying go get Melo. Melo is a star personality, a good guy and wants to be a NYer and a Knick. He will be great here, but he's got a value and overpaying for anything always costs more than its worth

That about sums it up perfectly.

TMS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

martin wrote:Just want to point out one more detail that isn't really highlighted in articles.

Salary Cap: $58M.
Luxury Cap: $70M.
Denver today: $83M. Luxury/Payments: ~$26M.

Trade:

Denver gets Brewer, Chandler, Pick.
NY: Melo
Twolves: $3M, AR, Curry.

I want to believe that a couple of more small parts will shake out of this, maybe Balkman to NY for $3M+player with lower salary slot.

So, after trade:

Starting Salary: 83.5
Chandler         +2.1
Brewer           +3.7
Melo            -17.1
Balk             -1.7
----------------------
                $70.5

You include the extra $3M the Knicks could include in the second trade, and you are talking about a savings just under $30M for Denver, nothing to sneeze at when you consider that the family who owns the team is changing management and ownership etc and the sale of the football team to the father of the head of the team.

this is great, didn't realize this. but i think we all know that Denver is acting like it wants more than this package offers right now. whether they change their tune come the trade deadline when they start to sweat a little is another matter.

i have to believe denver will want at least landry fields added to this package.

i also have to believe Denver wants that NJ package instead of this one, but it doesn't matter what Denver wants... it only matters what they can get.

Yup. They really have to decide if they want the package that Donnie is giving them or just roll the dice and see if Melo signs back with them in the summer. No team is going to touch Melo as a rental.

Knicks add names to 'Melo mix
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By MARC BERMAN

Last Updated: 5:53 AM, February 7, 2011

Rookie guard Andy Rautins and Kelenna Azubuike's expiring contract have been discussed as parts of the Carmelo Anthony three-team package, The Post has learned.

The Knicks have to add more pieces to the reported three-team trade proposal for Anthony to make it work from a talent and financial perspective for the Nuggets, according to NBA sources.

The Knicks, Nuggets and Timberwolves have had advanced discussions on a three-team trade, according to two people with knowledge of the situation.

The Knicks would also give up Wilson Chandler, Anthony Randolph (to Minnesota) and Eddy Curry's expiring contract.

Rautins, selected with the 38th overall pick out of Syracuse, has played in just four games this season, but his 3-point shooting prowess is a marketable NBA skill. And he is expendable.

If the Nuggets agree to the package, it would be for the salary-cap space they can open up. Chandler, Curry, Azubuike and Minnesota's Corey Brewer all have expiring contracts. Chandler would be the only one they might want to re-sign. Denver would also get a first-round draft pick in the deal from Minnesota.

It's a sweetheart deal for the Knicks, but is it enough to entice the Nuggets? It is not better than the Nets' package, but the Nuggets at least have leverage if New Jersey reconsiders its interest in a deal. However, the Nets may have burned their bridge with Anthony.

Chandler, who has been in a dour mood, had a smile on his face yesterday for the first time in a while after a locker-room prank in which his sweater was hidden from him after the game. Chandler had to leave the locker room in his white T-shirt.

Perhaps the players shipped Chandler's sweater to Denver.

Knicks president Donnie Walsh, who almost never admits he is engaged in serious talks, yesterday acknowledged discussions about Anthony were at least taking shape.

"I don't think we have anything going, but we're getting a feeling for possibilities," Walsh said before the Knicks beat the Sixers, 117-103. "We have a better feeling for what's going to happen."

In Donniespeak, that means things have progressed, with the trade deadline still a very long 19 days away.

"If you get something that will help your team, then you get excited," Walsh said. "It hasn't come to the point I'm excited."

"I don't feel good or bad," Walsh added. "These things take two to tango. But we're out there looking and seeing if we can do something. Some of it is not real big -- trying to fill in the blanks within our own team."

martin wrote:Just want to point out one more detail that isn't really highlighted in articles.

Salary Cap: $58M.
Luxury Cap: $70M.
Denver today: $83M. Luxury/Payments: ~$26M.

Trade:

Denver gets Brewer, Chandler, Pick.
NY: Melo
Twolves: $3M, AR, Curry.

I want to believe that a couple of more small parts will shake out of this, maybe Balkman to NY for $3M+player with lower salary slot.

So, after trade:

Starting Salary: 83.5
Chandler         +2.1
Brewer           +3.7
Melo            -17.1
Balk             -1.7
----------------------
                $70.5

You include the extra $3M the Knicks could include in the second trade, and you are talking about a savings just under $30M for Denver, nothing to sneeze at when you consider that the family who owns the team is changing management and ownership etc and the sale of the football team to the father of the head of the team.

true, but they have money. that kroenke guy is married to one of the walmart daughters, and she is one of the richest people in the world.. and kroenke is no slouch either...