Bippity10 wrote:TMS wrote:Bippity10 wrote:As for Darko, how do you know a coach isn't going to play you. What type of nonsense is that. And if you are winning professional why wouldn't you work on your game anyway so you can get better for the next team? What benefit was Darko getting out of quitting? Is this what you would do? When I went to college my coach told me I would probably not get much time. Not for one minute did I quit. I spent every minute of my life trying to get better to earn minutes. I'm well respected for that by the way, and it opened doors to more opportunities by the way. If I had quit, how would I have gotten better? Darko thought "maybe I might not play. I haven't been told this, but it's looking this way". So then he quit. And you guys take his side on this????????? Were you born after the Ewing era?We have no idea why Hill did not play. But rumors are that he came to camp out of shape and did not work hard all season. Again, we take his side???????? How would Phil Jackson handle a guy like that?
Darko did say he shut himself down after he figured out things were going to be in NY... to me that suggests that he came here thinking he would be a part of the rotation when DW traded for him & shut himself down after he got the sense he didn't factor into this coach's plan... that doesn't justify him not being a professional obviously & i agree we shouldn't be taking Darko's side in this, but it does sorta answer your question about how he may have known the coach wasn't going to play him.
as for Jordan Hill, when you're a bad team that just drafted a kid with a lottery pick, it makes sense to let that kid get minutes so he can learn on the job... Avery Johnson is allowing Derrick Favors to this, & obviously his value hasn't suffered as a result when you have the Nuggets asking for him in a trade for their franchise stud... the Knicks should have done the same with Jordan Hill last year instead of keeping him on the bench with DNP's all year... Rick Adelman's a well respected coach too & yet he's allowing Jordan Hill to learn on the job while his team isn't contending... i would have liked to see MDA do the same with Hill last season, but what's in the past can't be undone.
obviously it's pointless to pine for AR to see minutes this season while our team is contending for the playoffs, which is why i feel it's time to trade this kid to another team like the Pacers or some other rebuilding team that might value him more than we do... he's really no use to us collecting DNPs on the bench, & if we can get a useful player or draft pick out of him it would probably be best for all parties involved.
1.) So Darko had his own expectations as to how things should go in NY. When things didn't go exactly how he planned, when he hit a speed bump, he quit. What type of bullshiot is that?
2.) I would have loved to see Hill play. But if he wasn't working hard he should have been exactly where he was, on the bench!.........Now if there were other reasons for him not playing and they were petty I would be right there with you on blaming D'Antoni for making a poor decision. But so far there has been no evidence of any other reason for not playing. So I cannot criticize a coach for a decision that I have incomplete information about
3.) IF Ar is as good as we think he might be. Why the haste to trade him? Are we still of the belief that players can't learn on the bench? Why not continue to work with him to develop his game? I'm not sure I understand the impatience and the need to rid ourselves of teh AR itch just because he isn't playing.
this is what you asked:
As for Darko, how do you know a coach isn't going to play you.
based on Darko's answer, i gave u the reason to base the conclusion that he didn't come here already intending not to work hard from the get... how he conducted himself after he decided things weren't going to work out was completely unprofessional, i have never tried to make excuses for Darko shutting himself down, just trying to offer a reasoning as to the cause of it... MDA may have played a hand if u believe what Darko said.
as for the Hill situation, i don't know if he was working hard last year or not, but i do know that a well respected coach like Rick Adelman has stuck with him in his rotation even through his lapses of effort on the floor & is trying to instill the importance of consistency of effort while not relegating him to the doghouse & obscurity at the end of the bench to try & boost a young kid's confidence level in his own game... so far the results have been a mixed bag, but at least he's investing the time & coaching that Hill needs to succeed & grow as an NBA player... do u think banishing him to Siberia the way MDA did last year was a positive for Jordan Hill's development? when Hill got to Houston his own teammate, a well respected veteran like Shane Battier, commented on how much he had yet to learn about how to play this game... do u think he may have benefitted & been just a bit further along in his development had he actually seen regular playing time in NY? i do... i'm not an ex-coach like u are so u'r entitled to ur own style of coaching, but Rick Adelman doesn't seem to have a problem w/playing this kid.
in regards to AR, i don't see the point in keeping him if he's never gonna get off the end of the bench... when a guy can't even see minutes in garbage time play of a losing game, u know he no longer factors into the coach's plan... he's pretty much taken over Darko's role in MDA's doghouse... time to cut bait & get back something we can actually use... if we can get a 1st round pick for AR, or trade him for a player like Camby, i think u have to do it... this isn't an itch to rid ourselves of AR, it's the desire to get something of value out of trading our best player this past offseason... since AR doesn't seem like he'll ever realize his full value not playing for this head coach, i think it's tiime to consider other options.
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
