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Do we already have our second star? *Chandler*
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iSergio
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1/7/2011  8:06 AM
knickstorrents wrote:
SlimChin wrote:I'm a big Wilson Chandler fan but the Knicks' priority should be getting Carmelo Anthony as well as acquiring a starting center. We need size! We get killed on the boards—even against teams with a mediocre front court. Stat is not a true center IMO.

Now if the Knicks did get Melo as well as a legitimate Center, where would Chandler fit in? come off the bench for Stat and/or Melo? play the 2 and let Fields come off the bench? point is, Melo is a much better Chandler.
Trade Gallo and Chandler BUT KEEP FIELDS!

Melo is a better Chandler? Chandler is a more efficient scorer, a better defender, blocks more shots, is younger, and is cheaper.

Melo is a primary option scorer, inefficient, draws double teams, and gets max money.

For the Knicks, Chandler is a better fit. Melo is actually a good fit for the team he's on. They have shooters (JR Smith, Chauncey, Afflalo) and they have good post play from Nene. We would have to rework our team to make Melo fit.

To me, that's too big of a risk. He commands too much money from the market, and he would disrupt our team too much for his very good, one dimensional play.

Ridiculous. I hate this board sometimes. Wow. And David Lee was better than Amar'e Stoudemire too right?

I need a drink and it's 8am.

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1/7/2011  8:28 AM
iSergio wrote:
knickstorrents wrote:
SlimChin wrote:I'm a big Wilson Chandler fan but the Knicks' priority should be getting Carmelo Anthony as well as acquiring a starting center. We need size! We get killed on the boards—even against teams with a mediocre front court. Stat is not a true center IMO.

Now if the Knicks did get Melo as well as a legitimate Center, where would Chandler fit in? come off the bench for Stat and/or Melo? play the 2 and let Fields come off the bench? point is, Melo is a much better Chandler.
Trade Gallo and Chandler BUT KEEP FIELDS!

Melo is a better Chandler? Chandler is a more efficient scorer, a better defender, blocks more shots, is younger, and is cheaper.

Melo is a primary option scorer, inefficient, draws double teams, and gets max money.

For the Knicks, Chandler is a better fit. Melo is actually a good fit for the team he's on. They have shooters (JR Smith, Chauncey, Afflalo) and they have good post play from Nene. We would have to rework our team to make Melo fit.

To me, that's too big of a risk. He commands too much money from the market, and he would disrupt our team too much for his very good, one dimensional play.

Ridiculous. I hate this board sometimes. Wow. And David Lee was better than Amar'e Stoudemire too right?

I need a drink and it's 8am.

try a bloody mary made with absolut peppar. it's awesome.

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1/7/2011  8:41 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/7/2011  8:41 AM
iSergio wrote:
knickstorrents wrote:
SlimChin wrote:I'm a big Wilson Chandler fan but the Knicks' priority should be getting Carmelo Anthony as well as acquiring a starting center. We need size! We get killed on the boards—even against teams with a mediocre front court. Stat is not a true center IMO.

Now if the Knicks did get Melo as well as a legitimate Center, where would Chandler fit in? come off the bench for Stat and/or Melo? play the 2 and let Fields come off the bench? point is, Melo is a much better Chandler.
Trade Gallo and Chandler BUT KEEP FIELDS!

Melo is a better Chandler? Chandler is a more efficient scorer, a better defender, blocks more shots, is younger, and is cheaper.

Melo is a primary option scorer, inefficient, draws double teams, and gets max money.

For the Knicks, Chandler is a better fit. Melo is actually a good fit for the team he's on. They have shooters (JR Smith, Chauncey, Afflalo) and they have good post play from Nene. We would have to rework our team to make Melo fit.

To me, that's too big of a risk. He commands too much money from the market, and he would disrupt our team too much for his very good, one dimensional play.

Ridiculous. I hate this board sometimes. Wow. And David Lee was better than Amar'e Stoudemire too right?

I need a drink and it's 8am.


What was the point of your reply? Why not at least make an argument rather than just throw words like "ridiculous" around?
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1/7/2011  9:43 AM
knickstorrents wrote:
SlimChin wrote:I'm a big Wilson Chandler fan but the Knicks' priority should be getting Carmelo Anthony as well as acquiring a starting center. We need size! We get killed on the boards—even against teams with a mediocre front court. Stat is not a true center IMO.

Now if the Knicks did get Melo as well as a legitimate Center, where would Chandler fit in? come off the bench for Stat and/or Melo? play the 2 and let Fields come off the bench? point is, Melo is a much better Chandler.
Trade Gallo and Chandler BUT KEEP FIELDS!

Melo is a better Chandler? Chandler is a more efficient scorer, a better defender, blocks more shots, is younger, and is cheaper.

Melo is a primary option scorer, inefficient, draws double teams, and gets max money.

For the Knicks, Chandler is a better fit. Melo is actually a good fit for the team he's on. They have shooters (JR Smith, Chauncey, Afflalo) and they have good post play from Nene. We would have to rework our team to make Melo fit.

To me, that's too big of a risk. He commands too much money from the market, and he would disrupt our team too much for his very good, one dimensional play.

point is Chandler is still developing. Get a superstar wingman for STAT NOW while he's at his peek—he's going to be 29 this year. the guy plays like 40 min per game and i get super nervous about him getting injured. he goes down and we're in big trouble.

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1/7/2011  10:00 AM
We probably have a 3 year window with STAT. So as much as we talk about being a young team, we need to get in the game and go for it. By next year, we need answers for our gaps. Whether this comes from internal development (improvement from Gallo, Chandler, Fields, Mosgov, and perhaps Jerome Jordan) or from outside, it doesn't matter. We just need to graduate from being solidly in contention for a playoff spot to having a roster that can compete against the elite and get deep in the playoffs.

Of the powerhouses in the east, I think the Knicks can handle Chicago and Atlanta. Not so sure we match up well against Miami, Orlando, and Boston. They all have some matchup concerns vs how we're presently constructed.

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1/7/2011  10:07 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/7/2011  10:08 AM
technomaster wrote:We probably have a 3 year window with STAT. So as much as we talk about being a young team, we need to get in the game and go for it. By next year, we need answers for our gaps. Whether this comes from internal development (improvement from Gallo, Chandler, Fields, Mosgov, and perhaps Jerome Jordan) or from outside, it doesn't matter. We just need to graduate from being solidly in contention for a playoff spot to having a roster that can compete against the elite and get deep in the playoffs.

Of the powerhouses in the east, I think the Knicks can handle Chicago and Atlanta. Not so sure we match up well against Miami, Orlando, and Boston. They all have some matchup concerns vs how we're presently constructed.

For Orlando and Boston, all we need is a capable beefy center that can anchor the middle and relieve STAT of that defensive load.
Miami is a special kind of problem. Maybe that same solution can help overwhelm their front line. But I'm not sure how you're going to shut down LeDwade over a 7 game series.

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1/7/2011  10:12 AM
Panos wrote:
technomaster wrote:We probably have a 3 year window with STAT. So as much as we talk about being a young team, we need to get in the game and go for it. By next year, we need answers for our gaps. Whether this comes from internal development (improvement from Gallo, Chandler, Fields, Mosgov, and perhaps Jerome Jordan) or from outside, it doesn't matter. We just need to graduate from being solidly in contention for a playoff spot to having a roster that can compete against the elite and get deep in the playoffs.

Of the powerhouses in the east, I think the Knicks can handle Chicago and Atlanta. Not so sure we match up well against Miami, Orlando, and Boston. They all have some matchup concerns vs how we're presently constructed.

For Orlando and Boston, all we need is a capable beefy center that can anchor the middle and relieve STAT of that defensive load.
Miami is a special kind of problem. Maybe that same solution can help overwhelm their front line. But I'm not sure how you're going to shut down LeDwade over a 7 game series.

i think out of those 3 teams, we match up best with the Celtics. Miami is DANGEROUS; not only do they have the best options, but they play physical D.

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1/7/2011  10:13 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
iSergio wrote:
knickstorrents wrote:
SlimChin wrote:I'm a big Wilson Chandler fan but the Knicks' priority should be getting Carmelo Anthony as well as acquiring a starting center. We need size! We get killed on the boards—even against teams with a mediocre front court. Stat is not a true center IMO.

Now if the Knicks did get Melo as well as a legitimate Center, where would Chandler fit in? come off the bench for Stat and/or Melo? play the 2 and let Fields come off the bench? point is, Melo is a much better Chandler.
Trade Gallo and Chandler BUT KEEP FIELDS!

Melo is a better Chandler? Chandler is a more efficient scorer, a better defender, blocks more shots, is younger, and is cheaper.

Melo is a primary option scorer, inefficient, draws double teams, and gets max money.

For the Knicks, Chandler is a better fit. Melo is actually a good fit for the team he's on. They have shooters (JR Smith, Chauncey, Afflalo) and they have good post play from Nene. We would have to rework our team to make Melo fit.

To me, that's too big of a risk. He commands too much money from the market, and he would disrupt our team too much for his very good, one dimensional play.

Ridiculous. I hate this board sometimes. Wow. And David Lee was better than Amar'e Stoudemire too right?

I need a drink and it's 8am.


What was the point of your reply? Why not at least make an argument rather than just throw words like "ridiculous" around?

Are you serious? What needs to be explained? Carmelo Anthony is a SuperStar and Wilson Chandler is not. Homerism is getting too crazy here.

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1/7/2011  10:16 AM
knickstorrents wrote:
SlimChin wrote:I'm a big Wilson Chandler fan but the Knicks' priority should be getting Carmelo Anthony as well as acquiring a starting center. We need size! We get killed on the boards—even against teams with a mediocre front court. Stat is not a true center IMO.

Now if the Knicks did get Melo as well as a legitimate Center, where would Chandler fit in? come off the bench for Stat and/or Melo? play the 2 and let Fields come off the bench? point is, Melo is a much better Chandler.
Trade Gallo and Chandler BUT KEEP FIELDS!

Melo is a better Chandler? Chandler is a more efficient scorer, a better defender, blocks more shots, is younger, and is cheaper.

Melo is a primary option scorer, inefficient, draws double teams, and gets max money.

For the Knicks, Chandler is a better fit. Melo is actually a good fit for the team he's on. They have shooters (JR Smith, Chauncey, Afflalo) and they have good post play from Nene. We would have to rework our team to make Melo fit.

To me, that's too big of a risk. He commands too much money from the market, and he would disrupt our team too much for his very good, one dimensional play.

THe thing people must realize is that if Melo had an Amare to play with, he would become a more efficient scorer. It is hard to be efficient when you are the primary scoring option on your team and are going against double-teams all night long.

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1/7/2011  11:16 AM
iSergio wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
iSergio wrote:
knickstorrents wrote:
SlimChin wrote:I'm a big Wilson Chandler fan but the Knicks' priority should be getting Carmelo Anthony as well as acquiring a starting center. We need size! We get killed on the boards—even against teams with a mediocre front court. Stat is not a true center IMO.

Now if the Knicks did get Melo as well as a legitimate Center, where would Chandler fit in? come off the bench for Stat and/or Melo? play the 2 and let Fields come off the bench? point is, Melo is a much better Chandler.
Trade Gallo and Chandler BUT KEEP FIELDS!

Melo is a better Chandler? Chandler is a more efficient scorer, a better defender, blocks more shots, is younger, and is cheaper.

Melo is a primary option scorer, inefficient, draws double teams, and gets max money.

For the Knicks, Chandler is a better fit. Melo is actually a good fit for the team he's on. They have shooters (JR Smith, Chauncey, Afflalo) and they have good post play from Nene. We would have to rework our team to make Melo fit.

To me, that's too big of a risk. He commands too much money from the market, and he would disrupt our team too much for his very good, one dimensional play.

Ridiculous. I hate this board sometimes. Wow. And David Lee was better than Amar'e Stoudemire too right?

I need a drink and it's 8am.


What was the point of your reply? Why not at least make an argument rather than just throw words like "ridiculous" around?

Are you serious? What needs to be explained? Carmelo Anthony is a SuperStar and Wilson Chandler is not. Homerism is getting too crazy here.

reading comprehension, dig it.

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1/7/2011  3:44 PM
TheGame wrote:
knickstorrents wrote:
SlimChin wrote:I'm a big Wilson Chandler fan but the Knicks' priority should be getting Carmelo Anthony as well as acquiring a starting center. We need size! We get killed on the boards—even against teams with a mediocre front court. Stat is not a true center IMO.

Now if the Knicks did get Melo as well as a legitimate Center, where would Chandler fit in? come off the bench for Stat and/or Melo? play the 2 and let Fields come off the bench? point is, Melo is a much better Chandler.
Trade Gallo and Chandler BUT KEEP FIELDS!

Melo is a better Chandler? Chandler is a more efficient scorer, a better defender, blocks more shots, is younger, and is cheaper.

Melo is a primary option scorer, inefficient, draws double teams, and gets max money.

For the Knicks, Chandler is a better fit. Melo is actually a good fit for the team he's on. They have shooters (JR Smith, Chauncey, Afflalo) and they have good post play from Nene. We would have to rework our team to make Melo fit.

To me, that's too big of a risk. He commands too much money from the market, and he would disrupt our team too much for his very good, one dimensional play.

THe thing people must realize is that if Melo had an Amare to play with, he would become a more efficient scorer. It is hard to be efficient when you are the primary scoring option on your team and are going against double-teams all night long.

I don't know if we can assume that.

Some players can shoot off the dribble, cross people up, hit fade aways over defenders and slice through double teams and finish after contact.

Some guys are efficient because they have to be. A lot of guys don't come into the league with nasty handles or one on one moves. So they're forced to get theirs by curling off screens, learn how to move without the ball and catch and shoot, learn how to embrace contact and get to the line instead of trying to avoid contact to finish.

I think the ideal scorer tries to be as efficient as much as possible and then pull out the one on one moves and score through double teams when they absolutely have to. Kobe at his best balances that. This season at times, he's gotten frustrated and tried to take over games which prevents the rest of his team from developing rhythm/momentum.

Melo could absolutely be someone who can get easy jumpers in rhythm in the natural flow of the offense and then do his jab stepping one on one thing when it's the end of the shot clock and he has to.

There's just no guarantee he does that. A lot of people just assume if Melo comes here he'll instantly get it and change the way he's played his entire career.

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
Do we already have our second star? *Chandler*

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