BRIGGS wrote:Listen Mosgov has terrible hands and randolph wont play the way MDA wants him to play--case closed. I have Jordan who I can bring in for 400k and if I can get a draft pick for Randolph--it will be less than half of his cost. Im willing to accept players developing for 450-1.5mm. Mosgov and Randoplh alone take up 6.5mm$ next year. Thats resigning Wilson Chandler.

not case closed for me. You were also case closed for Fields before he saw the light of day.

Some time these things just need to work themselves out.

nixluva wrote:TMS Darko made up his own mind that he wasn't going to get a shot. NO ONE TOLD HIM THAT!!! See if he had been professional like say, S. Williams he would've gotten another shot, but he acted like a jerk and basically didn't do anything they asked him to do. He asked if he could stay with his fam and they said yes, but just keep in shape. THEN THE GUY COMES IN OUT OF SHAPE! They try to get him going and he stinks it up. Then they see him completely shut it down! So how the hell is Mike in the wrong in this case! GEEEEZ! Man give it a rest you're so wrong on this that it's getting pathetic.

No one is saying Darko doesn't have talent, but he blew his opportunity here and that's a fact even he admits to. AR and Timo need more work. It sound like AR is having the most trouble trying to catch on. I actually hope we don't trade him, but that's a possibility. Only DW and MDA know how they feel about the kid and if he's worth holding on to. I'm not sorry we don't have Darko, Nate or Hill. MOVE ON. We have guys that fit the kind of teams DW and MDA usually like to have. Smart and team oriented. IF a player can't make the adjustment then they need to go to a team that has an easier style to play in or a team that is looking to develop players and doesn't care about winning.

would u rather have Darko right now or Timo? answer me that & stop flying off the handle everytime i post a comment... it's getting old.

JrZyHuStLa wrote:There's only 2 words to describe the failure known as Darko Milicic.

Dwayne Wade.

I am certain there are more than two words to describe Darko's failures. Those are just two good ones. Carmelo Anthony and Chris Bosh are pretty good also.

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martin wrote:

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CrushAlot wrote:Kahn is trying to steal from the Knicks henhouse/doghouse again. Hopefully Walsh doesn't deal with him.

Again? You mean Darko?

Darko for Cardinal was a steal. Before getting hurt Darko was written up as a darkhorse for most improved player and he is leading the league in blocks. Walsh traded Q for Darko. Q was an expiring contract as well as Darko and had value to the Knicks but Walsh thought Darko could fill a need. Darko went to Minny as a 24 year old seven footer. He has done well there and was steal. You can debate the logic of signing him to his new contract but you can't debate taking a chance on a #2 overall pick in a draft that is only 24 and was banished to the bench by his coach and getting him for Brian Cardinal.

There is no doubt in my mind that Darko has talent. But his motivation and heart and all of those things that separate good from bad players is exactly what he has not displayed.

Get back to me when Darko does anything worthwhile on the court and for his team.

Here is a link to his game log. Take into account that he is coming back from an injury. He is having a very good year.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3705/gamelog;_ylt=AsoN_mhGa56CUl.dd9EyX5_KPKB4

9pts/5boards... whose standards are you going by with "very" good year? yeah by darko's standards that's a hall of fame year for him.

come on dude... if Mozgov were putting up some of those statlines that Darko's putting up this year, people would be calling him an untouchable by now.

darko is also in his 7th year while moz is a rookie. cmon bro you know the difference

nixluva wrote:

TMS wrote:

nixluva wrote:TMS Darko made up his own mind that he wasn't going to get a shot. NO ONE TOLD HIM THAT!!! See if he had been professional like say, S. Williams he would've gotten another shot, but he acted like a jerk and basically didn't do anything they asked him to do. He asked if he could stay with his fam and they said yes, but just keep in shape. THEN THE GUY COMES IN OUT OF SHAPE! They try to get him going and he stinks it up. Then they see him completely shut it down! So how the hell is Mike in the wrong in this case! GEEEEZ! Man give it a rest you're so wrong on this that it's getting pathetic.

No one is saying Darko doesn't have talent, but he blew his opportunity here and that's a fact even he admits to. AR and Timo need more work. It sound like AR is having the most trouble trying to catch on. I actually hope we don't trade him, but that's a possibility. Only DW and MDA know how they feel about the kid and if he's worth holding on to. I'm not sorry we don't have Darko, Nate or Hill. MOVE ON. We have guys that fit the kind of teams DW and MDA usually like to have. Smart and team oriented. IF a player can't make the adjustment then they need to go to a team that has an easier style to play in or a team that is looking to develop players and doesn't care about winning.

would u rather have Darko right now or Timo? answer me that & stop flying off the handle everytime i post a comment... it's getting old.

I was one of the guys that thought Darko would work, but that was based on the talent he had. It's how I usually make my judgements, since I can't read a players mind or know his heart. This guy isn't here cuz he had his head screwed on wrong. It's irrelevant now as to whether i'd prefer him here over Timo cuz he's gone. I wanted Darko to succeed and was disappointed that he didn't work out. I remember people jumpin on me cuz I actually thought he should do well in Mike's system.

I "fly off the handle" cuz you keep posting the same off base statements regarding How Mike handled the Darko situation. Try basing your comments on the facts and I wont have to jump all over your posts. Darko isn't here because of Darko. Now he changed his mental approach and found some success. Good for him. I'm hoping that Timo can develop and help this team cuz he's on the team now.

i based my comment on Darko's own words describing the situation... unless u were privvy to exactly what happened behind the scenes, you have nothing to base your opinions on but your own assumptions... how do u tell me i'm making off base statements here? so Darko was lying when he said he stopped working hard when he found out how things were going to be once he got here?

listen, i spend a lot of time & effort in posting on these forums to try & spur discussion, i don't need people like you & others lecturing me about my style of posting, screaming at me or throwing cheap shot insults my way whenever you disagree with something i post... like i told u & others before, if you don't like what i have to say, then put me on ignore... i don't need to read this crap from guys like you telling me i'm this or i'm that just because i have a different point of view on things... i post from the heart, that's how i been posting here for years & that's how i'll continue to post until martin or Andrew tell me otherwise... i'm not here to make friends or kiss anyone's ass, i'm here to talk about the Knicks... i don't post ignorant racist crap, i respect those who respect me, & i want nothing but the best for the Knicks franchise... if u don't like what i have to say, use the ignore feature... that goes for you & anyone else who has a problem with my posting style.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/149623-the-free-anthony-randolph-movement

It truly amazes me that it took until the end of the season for the national media to finally take notice of Anthony Randolph.

Bill Simmons has sent shock waves through the basketball community with his glowing praise of the Warriors' first-year freak show.

Unfortunately Randolph is getting attention from everyone except the one guy that matters—Don Nelson.

On paper, it appears that Randolph is getting an increase in playing time, but when you consider that the Warriors only have two serviceable big men active on their roster (Turiaf being the second), it’s more an act of necessity than anything else.

Randolph averaged 22 minutes a game in the month of March, but realistically that number should be over 30. The Warriors were mathematically eliminated from playoff contention weeks ago, so the only thing they can possibly play for is next season.

Anthony Randolph is next season.

The true test of where Randolph stands in Nelson’s rotation can be seen in the fourth quarter, where his minutes are non-existent. After putting up a phenomenal 17 points and 10 rebounds in a mere 19 minutes last night against the Kings, Randolph was unceremoniously pulled from the line-up.

Common sense would tell you that Nelson pulled him because he had five fouls already. But then why did he not return to the line-up at the end of regulation or in overtime?

And what was the result of this decision? A nail-biting overtime win in a game that should have been wrapped up in regulation. In addition, it almost cost the Warriors Monta Ellis, who rolled his ankle after spending a whopping 49 minutes on the court.

Don Nelson may not have to answer to the GM he undermines or the owner he walks all over—but as far as I’m concerned, he sure as hell has to answer to the fans.

Knowing Nellie, he would probably laugh off threats from fans as trivial nonsense. But the simple fact of the matter is that the longer he alienates the dwindling amount of people who actually care, the more irrelevant the Warriors will become.

I have lost faith in Nellie’s ability to guide this team, and if it were up to me I would hand him his severance check and send him on his way. Randolph is too talented a player to have his confidence and his development jeopardized by an over-the-hill coach on a power trip.

In response to Nelson’s irrational coaching moves, I am officially starting the Free Anthony Randolph movement. Who’s coming with me?

JrZyHuStLa wrote:AR is the slimfast version eddy.

A slimfast version of Eddy Curry is dam near a yearly allstar.

Curry's issue isnt talent. He has no heart but an in shape Curry is good for 15 and 7 EASY.

TMS wrote:

nixluva wrote:

TMS wrote:

nixluva wrote:TMS Darko made up his own mind that he wasn't going to get a shot. NO ONE TOLD HIM THAT!!! See if he had been professional like say, S. Williams he would've gotten another shot, but he acted like a jerk and basically didn't do anything they asked him to do. He asked if he could stay with his fam and they said yes, but just keep in shape. THEN THE GUY COMES IN OUT OF SHAPE! They try to get him going and he stinks it up. Then they see him completely shut it down! So how the hell is Mike in the wrong in this case! GEEEEZ! Man give it a rest you're so wrong on this that it's getting pathetic.

No one is saying Darko doesn't have talent, but he blew his opportunity here and that's a fact even he admits to. AR and Timo need more work. It sound like AR is having the most trouble trying to catch on. I actually hope we don't trade him, but that's a possibility. Only DW and MDA know how they feel about the kid and if he's worth holding on to. I'm not sorry we don't have Darko, Nate or Hill. MOVE ON. We have guys that fit the kind of teams DW and MDA usually like to have. Smart and team oriented. IF a player can't make the adjustment then they need to go to a team that has an easier style to play in or a team that is looking to develop players and doesn't care about winning.

would u rather have Darko right now or Timo? answer me that & stop flying off the handle everytime i post a comment... it's getting old.

I was one of the guys that thought Darko would work, but that was based on the talent he had. It's how I usually make my judgements, since I can't read a players mind or know his heart. This guy isn't here cuz he had his head screwed on wrong. It's irrelevant now as to whether i'd prefer him here over Timo cuz he's gone. I wanted Darko to succeed and was disappointed that he didn't work out. I remember people jumpin on me cuz I actually thought he should do well in Mike's system.

I "fly off the handle" cuz you keep posting the same off base statements regarding How Mike handled the Darko situation. Try basing your comments on the facts and I wont have to jump all over your posts. Darko isn't here because of Darko. Now he changed his mental approach and found some success. Good for him. I'm hoping that Timo can develop and help this team cuz he's on the team now.

i based my comment on Darko's own words describing the situation... unless u were privvy to exactly what happened behind the scenes, you have nothing to base your opinions on but your own assumptions... how do u tell me i'm making off base statements here? so Darko was lying when he said he stopped working hard when he found out how things were going to be once he got here?

listen, i spend a lot of time & effort in posting on these forums to try & spur discussion, i don't need people like you & others lecturing me about my style of posting, screaming at me or throwing cheap shot insults my way whenever you disagree with something i post... like i told u & others before, if you don't like what i have to say, then put me on ignore... i don't need to read this crap from guys like you telling me i'm this or i'm that just because i have a different point of view on things... i post from the heart, that's how i been posting here for years & that's how i'll continue to post until martin or Andrew tell me otherwise... i'm not here to make friends or kiss anyone's ass, i'm here to talk about the Knicks... i don't post ignorant racist crap, i respect those who respect me, & i want nothing but the best for the Knicks franchise... if u don't like what i have to say, use the ignore feature... that goes for you & anyone else who has a problem with my posting style.

We have a failure to communicate here. I'm not going on assumptions, but actual statements made by the parties involved and the results back that up. Darko admitted he was wrong to shut it down like he did, but he was equally wrong to come in not in the best shape after the Knicks allowed him to stay overseas. If you give someone your word and then you don't do what you said and even worse you get an attitude when you aren't performing and that leads to you losing PT, that has NOTHING to do with the coach. That's on the player himself. Mike has said over and over that you have to work hard to earn his trust to put you back in and he had no reason not to want Darko when we needed a C. Darko wrote his own ticket out of here and ADMITTED that he did. SO what are you talking about? He wasn't told he had no shot. He created that all by himself. TD didn't shut it down when he got DNP's. S. Williams didn't shut it down... COme on man.