JrZyHuStLa wrote:Kinda weird how some people LOVE D'antoni (who is all about offense) but don't want a great offensive player like Melo.

it's also a little weird how you would say this when the response has been been given, oh . . . roughly 1000 times.

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martin wrote:

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Marv wrote:

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Marv wrote:

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Paladin55 wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:D'antoni's best chance to win with this style of play is to get Melo.

Bingo.

Ah yes, the panacea for all of our afflictions.

You just can't win with an offensive philosophy that thrives on the 3 ball and does not put a premium on defense. The guy had a 2 time MVP, Amar'e,and terrific role players and he still couldn't get it done because he got beat by teams that had defense and size.

Might as well have Amar'e and Melo here and jus have the next 5 years to be a consistent 50 win team for the fans.

18-12 says we don't need melo for that.

Postseason bro. Postseason.

oh that's right. i forgot about what the guy who's been bounced out in the 1st round 6 out of 7 years brings to the postseason.

That's because he didn't have much help. It's the same thing we'll be saying about Amar'e in April if/when we get bounced out in the first round. We're a much better team with Melo and Stat as opposed to each of those guys being the only all stars on their respective teams.

KG was an MVP type player who never really experienced much success in the playoffs while with Minnesota until he switched teams and joined up with much better talent. I know he's a much better defender than Amar'e or Melo, but how does this not apply to them?

AI, Andre Miller, Chauncy, Nene, Kenyon Martin, Camby, Steve Blake. Denver has had some very odd-ball and ill-timed injuries, but to suggest that he didn't have help is nonsense.

AI and Billups is not my idea of Help.

Help is Gasol, KG, Wade, Bosh, Westbrook, Parker, Kidd, etc.

dude you're trollin now. ai and billups got to how many conference finals and league finals. let it go before you mess up those nice clean sheets your mom just put on your bed.

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

Marv wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

martin wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

Marv wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

Marv wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:D'antoni's best chance to win with this style of play is to get Melo.

Bingo.

Ah yes, the panacea for all of our afflictions.

You just can't win with an offensive philosophy that thrives on the 3 ball and does not put a premium on defense. The guy had a 2 time MVP, Amar'e,and terrific role players and he still couldn't get it done because he got beat by teams that had defense and size.

Might as well have Amar'e and Melo here and jus have the next 5 years to be a consistent 50 win team for the fans.

18-12 says we don't need melo for that.

Postseason bro. Postseason.

oh that's right. i forgot about what the guy who's been bounced out in the 1st round 6 out of 7 years brings to the postseason.

That's because he didn't have much help. It's the same thing we'll be saying about Amar'e in April if/when we get bounced out in the first round. We're a much better team with Melo and Stat as opposed to each of those guys being the only all stars on their respective teams.

KG was an MVP type player who never really experienced much success in the playoffs while with Minnesota until he switched teams and joined up with much better talent. I know he's a much better defender than Amar'e or Melo, but how does this not apply to them?

AI, Andre Miller, Chauncy, Nene, Kenyon Martin, Camby, Steve Blake. Denver has had some very odd-ball and ill-timed injuries, but to suggest that he didn't have help is nonsense.

AI and Billups is not my idea of Help.

Help is Gasol, KG, Wade, Bosh, Westbrook, Parker, Kidd, etc.

dude you're trollin now. ai and billups got to how many conference finals and league finals. let it go before you mess up those nice clean sheets your mom just put on your bed.

AI and Billups were clearly on their decline when they were Nuggets.

And good to know that your idea of trolling is when someone says something you don't agree with.

marv, what JrZyHuStLa meant to say was that without a clear HOF player next to him, Melo can't get out of the first round.

Marv wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

Marv wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

martin wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

Marv wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

Marv wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:D'antoni's best chance to win with this style of play is to get Melo.

Bingo.

Ah yes, the panacea for all of our afflictions.

You just can't win with an offensive philosophy that thrives on the 3 ball and does not put a premium on defense. The guy had a 2 time MVP, Amar'e,and terrific role players and he still couldn't get it done because he got beat by teams that had defense and size.

Might as well have Amar'e and Melo here and jus have the next 5 years to be a consistent 50 win team for the fans.

18-12 says we don't need melo for that.

Postseason bro. Postseason.

oh that's right. i forgot about what the guy who's been bounced out in the 1st round 6 out of 7 years brings to the postseason.

That's because he didn't have much help. It's the same thing we'll be saying about Amar'e in April if/when we get bounced out in the first round. We're a much better team with Melo and Stat as opposed to each of those guys being the only all stars on their respective teams.

KG was an MVP type player who never really experienced much success in the playoffs while with Minnesota until he switched teams and joined up with much better talent. I know he's a much better defender than Amar'e or Melo, but how does this not apply to them?

AI, Andre Miller, Chauncy, Nene, Kenyon Martin, Camby, Steve Blake. Denver has had some very odd-ball and ill-timed injuries, but to suggest that he didn't have help is nonsense.

AI and Billups is not my idea of Help.

Help is Gasol, KG, Wade, Bosh, Westbrook, Parker, Kidd, etc.

dude you're trollin now. ai and billups got to how many conference finals and league finals. let it go before you mess up those nice clean sheets your mom just put on your bed.

AI and Billups were clearly on their decline when they were Nuggets.

And good to know that your idea of trolling is when someone says something you don't agree with.

an example of not trolling would be to start your argument with, "it's a valid criticism of melo that he hasn't had success in the playoffs. you can’t position him as a leader in the playoffs because he hasn’t proven to be one so far in his career. but it could work out if he . . . ." instead of making not-so-sharp comments repeatedly about how it was all the fault of his teammates that he bombed out 6/7 of the time.

It's a valid criticism of Melo that he hasn't had success in the playoffs, but we're a better team with him.

You happy now?

Marv wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

Marv wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

Marv wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:D'antoni's best chance to win with this style of play is to get Melo.

Bingo.

Ah yes, the panacea for all of our afflictions.

You just can't win with an offensive philosophy that thrives on the 3 ball and does not put a premium on defense. The guy had a 2 time MVP, Amar'e,and terrific role players and he still couldn't get it done because he got beat by teams that had defense and size.

Might as well have Amar'e and Melo here and jus have the next 5 years to be a consistent 50 win team for the fans.

18-12 says we don't need melo for that.

Postseason bro. Postseason.

oh that's right. i forgot about what the guy who's been bounced out in the 1st round 6 out of 7 years brings to the postseason.

That's because he didn't have much help. It's the same thing we'll be saying about Amar'e in April if/when we get bounced out in the first round. We're a much better team with Melo and Stat as opposed to each of those guys being the only all stars on their respective teams.

KG was an MVP type player who never really experienced much success in the playoffs while with Minnesota until he switched teams and joined up with much better talent. I know he's a much better defender than Amar'e or Melo, but how does this not apply to them?

Chauncey billups
Marcus camby
Allen Iverson
Nene
Kenyon martin
Earl boykins
Reggie evans
Andre miller

You can’t lead this group to a SINGLE playoff series win 6 years out of 7?????

hmmm... Iverson was only on the same team as Melo for 2 seasons, in which they lost both times to the eventual champion Spurs & Lakers ... Billups was only on the same team as Melo for 2 other seasons, 1 of which they made it to the WCF only to lose to the eventual champion Lakers... KMart basically missed the entire season in 06-07 with injury & hardly even played in that playoff series.

i don't think it's really fair to list all those names & point to the fact that he couldn't carry those guys past the 1st round more than once because he hasn't had all that to work with for all 7 seasons he's been in the NBA... & at least half of those times his teams lost to the eventual champions... i don't see how u can fault him for this.

TMS wrote:

Marv wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

Marv wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

Marv wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:D'antoni's best chance to win with this style of play is to get Melo.

Bingo.

Ah yes, the panacea for all of our afflictions.

You just can't win with an offensive philosophy that thrives on the 3 ball and does not put a premium on defense. The guy had a 2 time MVP, Amar'e,and terrific role players and he still couldn't get it done because he got beat by teams that had defense and size.

Might as well have Amar'e and Melo here and jus have the next 5 years to be a consistent 50 win team for the fans.

18-12 says we don't need melo for that.

Postseason bro. Postseason.

oh that's right. i forgot about what the guy who's been bounced out in the 1st round 6 out of 7 years brings to the postseason.

That's because he didn't have much help. It's the same thing we'll be saying about Amar'e in April if/when we get bounced out in the first round. We're a much better team with Melo and Stat as opposed to each of those guys being the only all stars on their respective teams.

KG was an MVP type player who never really experienced much success in the playoffs while with Minnesota until he switched teams and joined up with much better talent. I know he's a much better defender than Amar'e or Melo, but how does this not apply to them?

Chauncey billups
Marcus camby
Allen Iverson
Nene
Kenyon martin
Earl boykins
Reggie evans
Andre miller

You can’t lead this group to a SINGLE playoff series win 6 years out of 7?????

hmmm... Iverson was only on the same team as Melo for 2 seasons, in which they lost both times to the eventual champion Spurs & Lakers ... Billups was only on the same team as Melo for 2 other seasons, 1 of which they made it to the WCF only to lose to the eventual champion Lakers... KMart basically missed the entire season in 06-07 with injury & hardly even played in that playoff series.

i don't think it's really fair to list all those names & point to the fact that he couldn't carry those guys past the 1st round more than once because he hasn't had all that to work with for all 7 seasons he's been in the NBA... & at least half of those times his teams lost to the eventual champions... i don't see how u can fault him for this.

also lost to minnesota, the clippers and utah in the first round. not faulting him - just saying that it's fair and balanced ( ) to state that his teams have a poor track record in the playoffs.

Marv wrote:
Chauncey billups
Marcus camby
Allen Iverson
Nene
Kenyon martin
Earl boykins
Reggie evans
Andre miller

You can’t lead this group to a SINGLE playoff series win 6 years out of 7?????

Is it at all relevant that they were a 17 win team before he arrived and they rode his back to all those playoff births, and that more often than not when they lost it was to one or other of the two dynasties (Lakers, Spurs) of the era?

Garnett never got out the first round either, till he won a chip.

Marv wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:

Marv wrote:
Chauncey billups
Marcus camby
Allen Iverson
Nene
Kenyon martin
Earl boykins
Reggie evans
Andre miller

You can’t lead this group to a SINGLE playoff series win 6 years out of 7?????

Is it at all relevant that they were a 17 win team before he arrived and they rode his back to all those playoff births, and that more often than not when they lost it was to one or other of the two dynasties (Lakers, Spurs) of the era?

Garnett never got out the first round either, till he won a chip.

my view on garnett from early on in his career is that he wouldn’t shoot the ball in the 4th quarter. darndest thing. he was the opposite of a put-the-team-on-my-back guy. still played great d, passed, boarded. but would not shoot. like he was afraid of his offense. cost that team a lot. on boston, he's got pierce and allen to take all that pressure off of him.

now melo getting a 17 win team to the playoffs was great and he was feted for that. but he's done nothing in the playoffs the whole time since then save one year. and his 1st round losses include utah, the clippers and minnesota. somewhere that has to get associated with his performance, doesn’t it?

Sure it's on his record, just like Garnett's, and even Kobe's in those years between Shaq and Gasol.

There just aren't that many guys who can put a franchise on their backs and take them deep all by themselves. Jordan and Lebron may be at the top, then Kobe, Isiah, Magic, Bird, Hakeem at the next rung, and down from there. Certainly not even the great Russell, IMO. So no sense waiting generations to those guys to show up.

Melo is more like a Garnett, Pierce, Amare, Dominique Wilkens type. A guy who alone can drag you to the first round at best, but synergistically can take you higher, or so we hope.

Could he and Amear he take us all the way? Dunno, but I think his chances are better than Gallo, Chandler or Fields, who I'm pretty confident will never strap a franchise onto their backs and take them to the promised land all by themselves either.

BlueSeats wrote:

Marv wrote:

BlueSeats wrote:

Marv wrote:
Chauncey billups
Marcus camby
Allen Iverson
Nene
Kenyon martin
Earl boykins
Reggie evans
Andre miller

You can’t lead this group to a SINGLE playoff series win 6 years out of 7?????

Is it at all relevant that they were a 17 win team before he arrived and they rode his back to all those playoff births, and that more often than not when they lost it was to one or other of the two dynasties (Lakers, Spurs) of the era?

Garnett never got out the first round either, till he won a chip.

my view on garnett from early on in his career is that he wouldn’t shoot the ball in the 4th quarter. darndest thing. he was the opposite of a put-the-team-on-my-back guy. still played great d, passed, boarded. but would not shoot. like he was afraid of his offense. cost that team a lot. on boston, he's got pierce and allen to take all that pressure off of him.

now melo getting a 17 win team to the playoffs was great and he was feted for that. but he's done nothing in the playoffs the whole time since then save one year. and his 1st round losses include utah, the clippers and minnesota. somewhere that has to get associated with his performance, doesn’t it?

Sure it's on his record, just like Garnett's, and even Kobe's in those years between Shaq and Gasol.

There just aren't that many guys who can put a franchise on their backs and take them deep all by themselves. Jordan and Lebron may be at the top, then Kobe, Isiah, Magic, Bird, Hakeem at the next rung, and down from there. Certainly not even the great Russell, IMO. So no sense waiting generations to those guys to show up.

Melo is more like a Garnett, Pierce, Amare, Dominique Wilkens type. A guy who alone can drag you to the first round at best, but synergistically can take you higher, or so we hope.

Could he and Amear he take us all the way? Dunno, but I think his chances are better than Gallo, Chandler or Fields, who I'm pretty confident will never strap a franchise onto their backs and take them to the promised land all by themselves either.

whew, that's a relief. when i read about gallo strapping something onto his back i get a little nervous there for a second.

Marv wrote:every time you look at his performance in the playoffs and see mostly failure...

The other side of excusing Melo's failures is undue blame.

He's never not made the playoffs, and his career playoff stat line is:

PPG = 24.5
Rebs = 7.1
Assists = 3.0

Three of those years he was age 21 or under. For example last year he was 30.7/8.5/3.2

That's some pretty good failure. What's Gallo's career playoff line look like?