TMS wrote:lol... this lady's a doctor? she looks like she's been taking too much of her own prescription medication

she's dazed by mike's short rotation.

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knicks1248 wrote:Im watching the magic and atlanta game now, SVG hasn't even looked duhons direction..

The problem with orlando is not there perimeter players, It's DH not having a perimeter game, he just hangs down low, his teammates can't penetrate, so there force to shoot jump shots all night

J.J. Redick hasn't played either. Thats one kid I wouldnt mind seeing in a Knick uni

why not see if Rautins can fill that role for you? it's not like Reddick does anything else but shoot the ball anyway... we drafted Rautins cuz he was supposed to be able to shoot the lights out... he's looked bad in very limited run but shooters need to get into a rhythm... we'll never know what we have in our bench guys unless they're given a chance to play.

I am fine with being patient with Rautins but I really don't think his skills translate to the NBA level. I think the Knicks were looking for mature, four year guys in the draft and took Rautins because he is solid and can shoot. I don't know how long the Knicks should wait for their 24 year old rookies to develop.

i would at least like to see Rautins be given a shot before we make that determination... at least w/Mozgov he's been given a stretch of games to show something & he looked bad... i say give Rautins a run of 10-15 games of action & see if he can fill that shooter's role off the bench... i don't think he'd be much worse than Eddie House was last year & MDA gave that guy plenty of run, albeit our team sucked last year but you get the point... if he has no problem playing veterans that add nothing to our team & have no future here longterm, why not at least give a young guy a run to see if he might? if MDA doesn't think Rautins is ready to play yet, then fine, i can understand him not wanting to play rookies at the expense of winning games when your team is contending for playoffs... that's completely understandable... but i also hate to see assets go to waste before they're given a full evaluation in real NBA action... i don't think it's much of a stretch to think this kid's at least better than some of the scrubs he's given playing time to in the past like Anthony Roberson & Sergio Rodriguez.

I'm in complete agreement with you...And as far as I'm concerned, this ideology should apply to Randolph as well...Some of you guys understand and have been saying it -- we took a pretty big (6'4"-6'5" ---> in other words, enough height to fill in at both backcourt spots) mature, 4-year shooter with budding ball-handling skills & court vision..It was actually a pretty decent pick at 38 all considered---we really may have gotten the best shooter in the draft..Look, everyone had their favorite guys at 38 & 39 they wanted Donnie to take but the reality of the matter is we took 2 helpful players there -- one's playing, one isn't...From what I saw of Rautins at Syracuse he was a pretty good player for Jimmy Boeheim..Very good shooter, good passing skills..Clutch too..There's no reason to think this kid couldn't eventually be close to players like JJ Reddick, John Paxson, Steve Kerr..even a Matt Carroll..Those players are/were all useful role players in the NBA..More than serviceable, some contributors on real good teams even..This guy's developing PG skills might actually put him a step ahead of these guys eventually, believe it or not..Look, Douglas maybe being hurt has a lot to do with his poor play (he developed back problems at one point on the west coast trip that might still be lingering, now supposedly has a shoulder issue too I believe), but even at full strength, Toney's just not performing well as a floor leader. He misses guys wide open and fails to see plays develop time and time again. He really does have tunnel vision, I said it weeks ago, and it's getting hard to watch..It's to the point where I think Toney's hurting us more than he's helping us at times (when's the last game you can say that his offense/defense really had that big impact for us---the game at Chicago? Has it really been that long??)..How much worse could Rautins possibly be at this point, seriously? I tell ya this may be more about not shattering Toney's confidence more than Rautins not being ready..Just speculation but if that were so then it's completely contradictory as far as Mike's concerned. I thought this guy prides himself on playing the guys he thinks can help him win games?? Anyway, TMS said it above -- Mozgov was given a pretty lengthy chance to play and showed he couldn't handle it...Where's that same opportunity been for guys like AR & Rautins? Between Mozgov & Randolph, Moz have been given much more of an opportunity to succeed for this team and to me, Moz has looked a hell of a lot worse than Randolph ever has..Randolph isn't even a rookie -- in the prior two years, AR has shown that he can perform in this league, sometimes at a very high level..Another good point TMS made earlier -- Randolph was the main guy we traded for in that deal, not Turiaf or Buike (who they knew going in was hurt severely). It's a compete disservice that AR hasn't been given a chance to build on what he started in GS and help his new team. It seems to me that the few sporadic times AR has played, one mistake, however small, and he gets yanked. Not how Moz was treated at all, and Moz is a rookie and a foreign player. Moz was given every opportunity to succeed here..That's the big difference..And the thing that kills me is AR has more talent in his little pinky than Mozgov has in his whole body..Rautins, meanwhile, hasn't been given an opportunity at all..Zero. I mean WTF already, these guys could be helping us.

Paladin55 wrote:^^^ I'd like to see Rautins get some minutes too, as well as Randolph- but I will say the same thing I always say about this kind of speculation on the part of fans:

We simply have no idea what the coaching staff is seeing in practice. With someone like Randolph, expecially, I think the coaches want to wait until he really gets it before they give him significant minutes because they probably fear that he will not respond well to failure if he is put into game situations with a high probability of failure. He sulks too much- and his game suffers.

As for Rautins, I thought he was a bit flustered in SL and did not show the mental resilience I was expecting to see from him. I would like to see him get some time, though, even if all he is able to give us is an offensive shot in the arm with a few 3s each game.

I understand this Pal, believe me (asst coach Dan D'Antoni has said AR's been working hard and looking good in practice btw), but in the meantime, we're still hurting for a backup PF/C AND some more backcourt help..Wouldn't it behoove us to get these guys some time now even if they're not up to the level Mike may be demanding? Both AR & Rautins have been here for awhile now, I think it's safe to assume that they have a firm grasp & understanding of how Mike wants things done..Backup PF/C AND PG/SG are two problems that will continue to exist until they are addressed..I'd look internally for the answers first. All I'm sayin'..I just have a funny feeling this may be a big difference in opinion between Donnie and Mike right now. I suspect that Donnie wants these guys in there contributing but he's not about to undermine his coach -- and he's even come out and said in the papers yesterday and today that it's tough to argue with Mike's shortened rotation after all the success they've had...Thing is they've come back down off that incredible high and there are some adjustments that need to be made now..

Just a little more on AR for a sec -- I think this kid is a guy you just put out there and tell him to play hard and have an impact..That's it..I don't think you tell this kid, OK, start off by running to the corner, etc...Just my take..Just take the damn shackles off -- give him some steady mins, tell him to go out there and bust his tail and have fun and not worry about making mistakes. Even in everyday life and everyday employment, no matter how much instruction and schooling a person has on things, sometimes you don't really learn the job until you jump in and start going. We've all experienced that at one time or another..Same applies here..Mike should learn to yield just a little bit with this kid..You can have it both ways -- you give him your specific gameplan to execute but also tell him to do all the things that come natural to him and as long as he's going hard, assure him that you're sticking with him. You know how much better he'd play and how much more we would've gotten out of him at this point if those were the conditions??? Come up with a happy medium but for God's sake just get him out there playing again already!

Reason being, it gives us more cap space this summer to try and steal Marc Gasol or Tyson Chandler, while also retaining Wilson Chandler.

scoshin wrote:If a Melo trade falls through, we should look to dump Turiaf to Orlando for cap space + either a pick or young player like Orton.

Reason being, it gives us more cap space this summer to try and steal Marc Gasol or Tyson Chandler, while also retaining Wilson Chandler.

Dalls is going top pay Tyson Cahndler--but I legitimately think Deandre Jordan is moving very quickly into the same type of player--perhaps even better becasue he can s core.

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martin wrote:

scoshin wrote:If a Melo trade falls through, we should look to dump Turiaf to Orlando for cap space + either a pick or young player like Orton.

Reason being, it gives us more cap space this summer to try and steal Marc Gasol or Tyson Chandler, while also retaining Wilson Chandler.

you don't need to dump Turiaf to retain Chandler and also grab a guy at $10M. We have cap space for that.

It's only $9M, but we can probably get up to $10M renouncing Rautins and/or Douglas. But I don't think even $10M can pry Gasol, a RFA, or Chandler, whom Cuban will make every effort to retain. On second thought, we'd probably be better off not going for them cause the only way to acquire them is to OVERPAY.

Nene? Perkins?

martin wrote:

scoshin wrote:

martin wrote:

scoshin wrote:If a Melo trade falls through, we should look to dump Turiaf to Orlando for cap space + either a pick or young player like Orton.

Reason being, it gives us more cap space this summer to try and steal Marc Gasol or Tyson Chandler, while also retaining Wilson Chandler.

you don't need to dump Turiaf to retain Chandler and also grab a guy at $10M. We have cap space for that.

It's only $9M, but we can probably get up to $10M renouncing Rautins and/or Douglas. But I don't think even $10M can pry Gasol, a RFA, or Chandler, whom Cuban will make every effort to retain. On second thought, we'd probably be better off not going for them cause the only way to acquire them is to OVERPAY.

Nene? Perkins?

I'd love Nene, but he's not a FA unless he opts out. I don't think he would, and a trade would be too expensive imo, as he's Denver's best asset after Melo.

Not too high on Perkins. I don't think he'd be a fit on this team unless we drop D'Antoni and his system. Plus, I just have that gut feeling that once he gets a fat contract, he'll spend most of his time injured or underachieving like Dampier or Jerome James.

Finestrg wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:^^^ I'd like to see Rautins get some minutes too, as well as Randolph- but I will say the same thing I always say about this kind of speculation on the part of fans:

We simply have no idea what the coaching staff is seeing in practice. With someone like Randolph, expecially, I think the coaches want to wait until he really gets it before they give him significant minutes because they probably fear that he will not respond well to failure if he is put into game situations with a high probability of failure. He sulks too much- and his game suffers.

As for Rautins, I thought he was a bit flustered in SL and did not show the mental resilience I was expecting to see from him. I would like to see him get some time, though, even if all he is able to give us is an offensive shot in the arm with a few 3s each game.

I understand this Pal, believe me (asst coach Dan D'Antoni has said AR's been working hard and looking good in practice btw), but in the meantime, we're still hurting for a backup PF/C AND some more backcourt help..Wouldn't it behoove us to get these guys some time now even if they're not up to the level Mike may be demanding? Both AR & Rautins have been here for awhile now, I think it's safe to assume that they have a firm grasp & understanding of how Mike wants things done..Backup PF/C AND PG/SG are two problems that will continue to exist until they are addressed..I'd look internally for the answers first. All I'm sayin'..I just have a funny feeling this may be a big difference in opinion between Donnie and Mike right now. I suspect that Donnie wants these guys in there contributing but he's not about to undermine his coach -- and he's even come out and said in the papers yesterday and today that it's tough to argue with Mike's shortened rotation after all the success they've had...Thing is they've come back down off that incredible high and there are some adjustments that need to be made now..

Just a little more on AR for a sec -- I think this kid is a guy you just put out there and tell him to play hard and have an impact..That's it..I don't think you tell this kid, OK, start off by running to the corner, etc...Just my take..Just take the damn shackles off -- give him some steady mins, tell him to go out there and bust his tail and have fun and not worry about making mistakes. Even in everyday life and everyday employment, no matter how much instruction and schooling a person has on things, sometimes you don't really learn the job until you jump in and start going. We've all experienced that at one time or another..Same applies here..Mike should learn to yield just a little bit with this kid..You can have it both ways -- you give him your specific gameplan to execute but also tell him to do all the things that come natural to him and as long as he's going hard, assure him that you're sticking with him. You know how much better he'd play and how much more we would've gotten out of him at this point if those were the conditions??? Come up with a happy medium but for God's sake just get him out there playing again already!

right now our main concerns off the bench seem to be our lack of another backup C & a PG... meanwhile we have kids like AR & Rautins who haven't gotten any play... now it's completely understandable if MDA has seen these guys in practice & doesn't believe either of them can fill those roles... as a coach, that's his job to evaluate guys & put them in the best possible position to succeed... i get that... but if that's the case, what are we holding onto them for? why did we even bring them here to begin with? we gave up assets to get those guys & they can't get any run... we can't keep wasting assets like this... either play the guys the GM brings in, or don't bring them in to begin with... this franchise need to do a better job of assessing the team's needs & filling those needs, because there's a clear disparity that exists between the GM & our head coach in who they deem to be capable of filling these roles.