GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:Dude...Turiaf AND Mozgov leave in a trade for Roy and you have NO centers. If you play Amare at Center you have NO PF. You're gonna use the MLE to get a starting center or PF and fill out the entire bench? Do you not understand why it appears to me that you don't think through what you post?

Im not going to discuss a hypothetical trade that hasn't even been rumored. I posted the trade as proof of concept with Minny because they are under the cap and we were interested in Ridnour.

Boston was thin when they first brought their big 3 together. Miami is thing now too but they wont be in a year or 2. You seem to be trying to build a final product in 1 season. Getting the stars is the hard part. Getting role players is not as difficult as you make it out to be.

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:Might as well get Andrew Bynum and Greg Oden to fill out the roster too then. Even with Melo we would still desperately need a defensive big. Felton's contract is done after next season and I'm guessing he'll want a raise.
We'd still need a backup PG.

But you think it's a good idea to get a guy who has 4 seasons left on his contract, when he'll be making $17-$18 M in 2013-2014 when he'll be a 30 year old guy with his injury history?

All the other crap that has been said aside. You seriously think trading for Brandon Roy would be a good idea for building a contender? This is the idea you won't let go of and just admit is a terrible idea?

You keep harping on a defensive big like Kendrick Perkins is a superstar or Pau Gasol is a defensive beast. Do we need a defensive big? YES. Can we get by without one for 1 season? YES.

The money doesnt matter man what matters is are we contenders or pretenders.

You act like Brandon Roy isnt a High IQ basketball player. I cant predict the future but I believe those 4 guys(Amare, Carmelo, Roy, and Felton) make us hard to beat. If Amare needs microfracture again we are screwed anyway but I cant worry about that because he is already here and we are winning NOW.

AnubisADL wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:Dude...Turiaf AND Mozgov leave in a trade for Roy and you have NO centers. If you play Amare at Center you have NO PF. You're gonna use the MLE to get a starting center or PF and fill out the entire bench? Do you not understand why it appears to me that you don't think through what you post?

Im not going to discuss a hypothetical trade that hasn't even been rumored. I posted the trade as proof of concept with Minny because they are under the cap and we were interested in Ridnour.

Boston was thin when they first brought their big 3 together. Miami is thing now too but they wont be in a year or 2. You seem to be trying to build a final product in 1 season. Getting the stars is the hard part. Getting role players is not as difficult as you make it out to be.

Brandon Roy is not and should not be in anyone's head when thinking of a big 3 with Amare Melo + ________>

If he all of a sudden looks like the old Brandon Roy, that's a diff. story but he looks DONE right now.

I said the same thing about Chris Paul in the summer. Problem with that thinking is if he returns to form you arent getting him for the scraps I offered.

Medically speaking Brandon Roy and Chris Paul's situations are different. There's a reason why GMs aren't knocking down Portland's doors inquiring about Brandon Roy. I don't think you can afford to gamble on Roy sucking up cap space for that long. You trade for him and he's not BRANDON ROY, the assassin it's not worth the risk.

Plus him and Melo are a bit redundant. To each his own I guess. Go Brandon Roy.

AnubisADL wrote:Im going to check out the Portland vs Dallas game tonight to see if he looks as bad as JohnWallace claims.

He still has the heart... but the game I saw him he was a completely different player. He has 0 lift or explosiveness. At this point Wesley Matthews is the better overall player (Wesley is very very good though). Roy is now like Andre Miller without the passing skills...

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:so....how did Brandon Roy look?

I watched in spurts. He definitely wasnt the old Brandon Roy but he was terrible. At least he realizes he shouldn't be taking 16 shots.

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:so....how did Brandon Roy look?

I watched in spurts. He definitely wasnt the old Brandon Roy but he was terrible. At least he realizes he shouldn't be taking 16 shots.

sooo.....you still like the idea of having him on this team when he just started year 1 of his max contract?

Yea. He dropped 26 against Phoenix on his bad knee. Im going to go back and watch that game over the weekend. I need to see how he plays when he puts up nice stats.

Im not going to judge a guy by one single game. He didnt look like a gimp.

martin wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:so....how did Brandon Roy look?

I watched in spurts. He definitely wasnt the old Brandon Roy but he was terrible. At least he realizes he shouldn't be taking 16 shots.

sooo.....you still like the idea of having him on this team when he just started year 1 of his max contract?

Yea. He dropped 26 against Phoenix on his bad knee. Im going to go back and watch that game over the weekend. I need to see how he plays when he puts up nice stats.

Im not going to judge a guy by one single game. He didnt look like a gimp.

dude, as a GM, you never ever ever ever trade for a guy with a bad knee who has a max contract. That's just silly talk.

Well to a certain degree we did that in acquiring Stoudemire. We gave a guy who had major knee surgery a max deal

AnubisADL wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:so....how did Brandon Roy look?

I watched in spurts. He definitely wasnt the old Brandon Roy but he was terrible. At least he realizes he shouldn't be taking 16 shots.

sooo.....you still like the idea of having him on this team when he just started year 1 of his max contract?

Yea. He dropped 26 against Phoenix on his bad knee. Im going to go back and watch that game over the weekend. I need to see how he plays when he puts up nice stats.

Im not going to judge a guy by one single game. He didnt look like a gimp.

I'm not judging Brandon Roy by a single game.

Facts:

- In the 2008 preseason, Roy underwent a 20-minute medical procedure in Vancouver, Washington, during which team physician Don Roberts removed a piece of cartilage that was causing irritation in Roy's left knee.

- On August 5, 2009, it was confirmed that Roy had agreed to a four-year maximum-salary contract with a fifth-year player option

-On April 11, 2010, Roy injured his right knee. Magnetic resonance imaging that night confirmed a right knee bone contusion (bone bruise) and on April 12, further examination of the MRI showed a slight meniscus tear. Roy underwent surgery on April 16 and was expected to miss at least the first round of the 2010 NBA Playoffs, but returned for Game 4 after eight days of recovery

- November 9th 2010: The news, Blazers fans, is not good. Roy is experiencing swelling and discomfort on his left knee. Roy is concerned about what is going on inside the knee, which he says has been drained of fluid twice this season. His concern is strong enough that he wants a second opinion.

-Roy said his left knee has bothered him throughout his NBA career. And every year he said it has needed to be drained throughout the season. http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/21485/brandon-roy-is-talking-like-greg-oden

-Once in Los Angeles, Rich Cho will meet with esteemed orthopedic doctor Neal ElAttrache, who will give a second opinion on Oden's left knee and perform a pre-operation exam on Williams.

He will also look at Roy's left knee and determine a course of action.

So Brandon Roy is worried about his knee. His GM is worried about his knee. He has a wee bit of injury history and there isn't a history of players having what he has and coming back.

Amare had micro fracture and had a monster season afterwards. JKidd has had microfracture and is still very productive. If Roy had microfracture and was working his way back, it would be a diff. story.

YOU yourself watched him last night and said "I watched in spurts. He definitely wasnt the old Brandon Roy but he was terrible. At least he realizes he shouldn't be taking 16 shots."

But you still won't admit signing him is probably a TERRIBLE idea. I mean yeah there's a chance he might come back and be..functional. But you don't take on a guy with his contract in the hopes that MAYBE he comes back and looks like the old Brandon Roy. This is not about whether you think he can come back it's about whether it's the best use of your resources to get someone under these circumstances.

Do you ever admit you're wrong? Holy ****e.

We'll revisit this topic in the future....

AnubisADL wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:I'm not judging Brandon Roy by a single game.

Facts:

- In the 2008 preseason, Roy underwent a 20-minute medical procedure in Vancouver, Washington, during which team physician Don Roberts removed a piece of cartilage that was causing irritation in Roy's left knee.

- On August 5, 2009, it was confirmed that Roy had agreed to a four-year maximum-salary contract with a fifth-year player option

-On April 11, 2010, Roy injured his right knee. Magnetic resonance imaging that night confirmed a right knee bone contusion (bone bruise) and on April 12, further examination of the MRI showed a slight meniscus tear. Roy underwent surgery on April 16 and was expected to miss at least the first round of the 2010 NBA Playoffs, but returned for Game 4 after eight days of recovery

- November 9th 2010: The news, Blazers fans, is not good. Roy is experiencing swelling and discomfort on his left knee. Roy is concerned about what is going on inside the knee, which he says has been drained of fluid twice this season. His concern is strong enough that he wants a second opinion.

-Roy said his left knee has bothered him throughout his NBA career. And every year he said it has needed to be drained throughout the season. http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/21485/brandon-roy-is-talking-like-greg-oden

-Once in Los Angeles, Rich Cho will meet with esteemed orthopedic doctor Neal ElAttrache, who will give a second opinion on Oden's left knee and perform a pre-operation exam on Williams.

He will also look at Roy's left knee and determine a course of action.

So Brandon Roy is worried about his knee. His GM is worried about his knee. He has a wee bit of injury history and there isn't a history of players having what he has and coming back.

Amare had micro fracture and had a monster season afterwards. JKidd has had microfracture and is still very productive. If Roy had microfracture and was working his way back, it would be a diff. story.

YOU yourself watched him last night and said "I watched in spurts. He definitely wasnt the old Brandon Roy but he was terrible. At least he realizes he shouldn't be taking 16 shots."

But you still won't admit signing him is probably a TERRIBLE idea. I mean yeah there's a chance he might come back and be..functional. But you don't take on a guy with his contract in the hopes that MAYBE he comes back and looks like the old Brandon Roy. This is not about whether you think he can come back it's about whether it's the best use of your resources to get someone under these circumstances.

Do you ever admit you're wrong? Holy ****e.

We'll revisit this topic in the future....

Again if he recovers you arent going to get him for the scraps I proposed offering. You get him cheap because there is risk involved.

We can revisit this later in the season.

We'll revisit in the future.

One big thing you seem to be missing. Just because you don't give up a lot to get him doesn't mean you're "getting him cheap".

- If you're going to trade expirings in that package to make the $ match then part of the cost of getting Roy is the opportunity cost of using those expirings to get someone else right?

- You're paying Roy 15-17 M for 4 seasons. Again that's cap space that could be getting paid to someone like..Melo.

You do realize this right? I think if you consider this there's no way you could describe the price tag as "cheap"