CHAOS wrote:If Melo aditted that he wants to play for the Knicks while he is still UNDER CONTRACT TO DENVER, there would be a huge fine Stern would hit him with plus there would be a tamper charge against the knicks !! Remember the TWolves and Joe Smith ?? Slightly different but you get the oicture !!!

i don't think the knicks are implicated. the wolves signed joe smith to an illegal contract and tried to keep it hush. we're not doing any of that. as far as i know melo is allowed to tell his current team i will only sign an extension if it's attached to a sign and trade to _____ team.

CHAOS wrote:True but he can't go public with it. Stern would fine him a years salary.

Stern can't do that unless he wants the lockout to last a season. If Melo actually made any such demand, he's just doing image control at the moment.

nixluva wrote:Melo wants to be here PERIOD! Thing is what does DW want to do? This thing with Denver is likely to go on
until the trade deadline and who knows what our situation will be then. It may be that Walsh feels less inclined
to give them what they want. I think this thing ends badly for Denver. Their best play is to make a deal now
rather than wait. By waiting the pressure shifts even more onto them to make something happen. Forget it if
we're in the playoffs with a high seed. Then DW will really play hardball with them. It might end up being a
deal of Fields, AR, AZ, Curry and picks.

Trade ID #5764314
Congratulations on a successful trade.
Due to Denver and New York being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Denver and New York had 
to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did 
happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
Change in Team Outlook: +2.1 ppg, +2.7 rpg, and +1.3 apg.
Incoming Players
	Carmelo Anthony
6-8 SF from Syracuse
23.1 ppg, 8.2 rpg, 3.3 apg in 34.8 minutes
Outgoing Players
	Eddy Curry
6-11 C from Thornwood (HS)
No games yet played in 2010-2011
	Kelenna Azubuike
6-5 SG from Kentucky
No games yet played in 2010-2011
	Anthony Randolph
6-10 PF from LSU
11.5 ppg, 4.0 rpg, 1.5 apg in 21.0 minutes
	Landry Fields
6-7 from Stanford
9.5 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 0.5 apg in 15.8 minutes

Read more: http://www.realgm.com/src_tradechecker/3/#ixzz1831tJDvv

So the basic deal is Randolph and Fields for Melo. The deal from Denver's POV would suck. Randolph collects splinters and is still a project after being in the league 2 years already. Fields is currently the 2010 Wesley Matthews. Now while Fields is great value for us because we got him with a 2nd round pick he isnt that great of a value for Denver who is giving away their franchise player. So Denver gets a guy who is currently a bust and Wesley Matthews to start their rebuilding process.

SupremeCommander wrote:to get Melo in a trade the Nugs have be abble to sell it to their fanbase. They can sell a package of Fields, Gallo, and a pick (which I assume would come from a team dumb enough to acquire AR, or TD).

I like the Wes Matthews comparison. We all said we'd be happy if Gallo turned into Peja... I think he can become that but with a more aggressive offensive game. Can I live with trading Wes Matthews, a player that may become an improved Peja, and a bust for Carmelo Anthony? YES.

Gallo is already better than Peja. Gallo is a very good defensive player.

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:to get Melo in a trade the Nugs have be abble to sell it to their fanbase. They can sell a package of Fields, Gallo, and a pick (which I assume would come from a team dumb enough to acquire AR, or TD).

I like the Wes Matthews comparison. We all said we'd be happy if Gallo turned into Peja... I think he can become that but with a more aggressive offensive game. Can I live with trading Wes Matthews, a player that may become an improved Peja, and a bust for Carmelo Anthony? YES.

The Nugs will also have to face the prospect of selling their fans on "So uhhh yeah..Melo is gone..there's no sign and trade with the Knicks either..he's just gone. And we got nothing in return for him. So yeah.."

Then Carmelo is the scape goat.

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:to get Melo in a trade the Nugs have be abble to sell it to their fanbase. They can sell a package of Fields, Gallo, and a pick (which I assume would come from a team dumb enough to acquire AR, or TD).

I like the Wes Matthews comparison. We all said we'd be happy if Gallo turned into Peja... I think he can become that but with a more aggressive offensive game. Can I live with trading Wes Matthews, a player that may become an improved Peja, and a bust for Carmelo Anthony? YES.

The Nugs will also have to face the prospect of selling their fans on "So uhhh yeah..Melo is gone..there's no sign and trade with the Knicks either..he's just gone. And we got nothing in return for him. So yeah.."

Then Carmelo is the scape goat.

and...?

Life goes on. Just look at Cleveland and Toronto.

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:to get Melo in a trade the Nugs have be abble to sell it to their fanbase. They can sell a package of Fields, Gallo, and a pick (which I assume would come from a team dumb enough to acquire AR, or TD).

I like the Wes Matthews comparison. We all said we'd be happy if Gallo turned into Peja... I think he can become that but with a more aggressive offensive game. Can I live with trading Wes Matthews, a player that may become an improved Peja, and a bust for Carmelo Anthony? YES.

The Nugs will also have to face the prospect of selling their fans on "So uhhh yeah..Melo is gone..there's no sign and trade with the Knicks either..he's just gone. And we got nothing in return for him. So yeah.."

Then Carmelo is the scape goat.

and...?

Life goes on. Just look at Cleveland and Toronto.

Yes life goes on.

Supreme was saying that the Nugs would not settle for a trade package unless it was something like Fields, Gallo, pick because they have to sell the trade to their fans.

I commented by saying I don't think that's really the case as the fans have to be aware that Anthony can just play out his contract and walk, leaving them with nothing but cap space. So anything we give them beyond cap space via Curry's contract is better than the squat they get if Melo just leaves with no trade.

I hear you, which is why signing him outright in free agency is likely more prudent. Because if I'm a Nugs fan, I'd rather watch him one more time in the playoffs than trade him for the pupu platter

The other thing about trading for Melo now is the Knicks can sign Chandler to an extension and retain Turiaf. In order to sign him in the offseason they'll have to renounce both players (I believe). I do think Melo + Chandler + Turiaf is greater than Melo + Gallo + Fields, if only because I get to watch Melo for an extra 50 games. Long way of saying even if we sign Melo as a UFA, the Knicks still have to pay a pretty steep price

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:to get Melo in a trade the Nugs have be abble to sell it to their fanbase. They can sell a package of Fields, Gallo, and a pick (which I assume would come from a team dumb enough to acquire AR, or TD).

I like the Wes Matthews comparison. We all said we'd be happy if Gallo turned into Peja... I think he can become that but with a more aggressive offensive game. Can I live with trading Wes Matthews, a player that may become an improved Peja, and a bust for Carmelo Anthony? YES.

The Nugs will also have to face the prospect of selling their fans on "So uhhh yeah..Melo is gone..there's no sign and trade with the Knicks either..he's just gone. And we got nothing in return for him. So yeah.."

Then Carmelo is the scape goat.

and...?

Life goes on. Just look at Cleveland and Toronto.

Yes life goes on.

Supreme was saying that the Nugs would not settle for a trade package unless it was something like Fields, Gallo, pick because they have to sell the trade to their fans.

I commented by saying I don't think that's really the case as the fans have to be aware that Anthony can just play out his contract and walk, leaving them with nothing but cap space. So anything we give them beyond cap space via Curry's contract is better than the squat they get if Melo just leaves with no trade.

Agreed. I think this is more similar to Bosh than LeBron. The fans in Cleveland legitimately believed that LeBron was coming back. Ask anyone on realcavsfans.com and most of 'em would laugh you off if you thought LeBron's demeanor in Game 5 against Boston, or comments made at his MVP awarding, signified that he had a foot out the door.

I feel Denver fans are probably thinking what Toronto fans were feeling last year -- "he's leaving, get what we can"

Nalod wrote:
1000th time:

It all depends on if Melo really opt out of his contract and thus can't extend without a contract.

Look at it from his perspective not the Nuggs. He holds the cards.

Thats his leverage. We don't know his compromise threshold.

We don't know ****.

I agree and I think this is to our advantage. The more unclear he is the more Denver might have to bite the bullet. I ain't giving Denver Gallo, The Mayor or Agua.