Knixkik wrote:

fishmike wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:I agree, i would deal Chandler, Curry, and Gallo or Randolph (preferably not Gallo) but definitely not both. We need to retain at least one of our bright young stars. My preference is to have a team that includes melo, stoudemire, gallo, and felton, but i would much rather have tony parker and both gallo and randolph alongside stoudemire than have only stoudemire and melo and no young talent left. In other words, if it takes both guys than let's wait and just get Parker as a FA, but if it takes only one, i think Melo is too good to pass up.

I think I used to be OK with a similar deal of Chandler, Curry and one of Gallo/Randolph, but not any more. I think Miami's weakness is going big, and so it's Chicago's and Orlando's and those are the teams that the Knicks have to get through.

I may give you Chandler Curry and 2014, but I would think long and hard about what Melo wants and could wait until next summer in the hopes that he is a UFA; and if not, the Knicks keep their flexibility and I would turn to CP3/Williams and internal growth.

its a tough one. If you said we missed out on Lebron but the core of the team was Felton, Gallo, Amare, Melo I think most would be pretty happy. You have a good PG, a couple of all star forwards and you keep your homegrown guy in Gallo.

The thing that woul keep me from pulling the trigger is I like these players as a group very much. Since Ewing left we have been a shimpy team playing guys like Harrington, Kurt Thomas, Lee, Mo Taylor, Spoon, Nazr, Malik Rose, Zach, Eddy, etc at PF and C. In general guys who are small or not athletic.

Now we are looking at a froncourt of Gallo, AR, Amare and Mosgov. 4 guys who are BIG BIG BIG and ultra athletic. Nobody knows how good AR/GAllo/Mosgov will be. Hey, remember when the Bulls drafted Curry/Chandler? Sure.. it didnt work out, but Krause understood that when you win the size battle EVERY night you on the right path.

Right now the Knicks have so much flexibility next offseason. That is why I would NOT do this trade now. If we are capped out then yes, I think you have to take a chance at getting that 2nd all star doing what you can to put the other pieces in place. We arent. We can buy a max player next summer. We can trade for one and not take back salary giving the other team a very valuable trade exception. We can take a contract another team doesnt want if they give us a pick back (Like w/ Heinrich). Options options options. Then god forbid Gallo/AR do become all stars.

We can afford to wait. Melo isnt a special player. He's a really good player. He's Vince Carter

Melo is much better than Vince Carter. Yes you may be talking Vince in his prime, but Melo is still better.

What are you basing "Melo is much better than Vince Carter in his prime" on??

tkf wrote:

TMS wrote:martin, your condescension towards anyone that disagrees with your point of view is getting old... i guess your moderator status gives u the right to talk down to people... i've tried engaging you in debate & have brought up points for consideration... you have deflected everything i've said & harping on that singular nonsensical point that Melo isn't an assist guy, something which is pretty obvious... when guys double down on Melo it leaves them open to go for rebounds & secondary scoring opportunities... it isn't Melo's job to get them the ball, it's Chauncey Billups' job to do that... Melo's job is to score the damn basketball, & he does that better than just about every single player in the NBA, which you obviously have no counter for so you want to keep jabbing with this ridiculous notion that Melo needs to average more assists to make him worthy of consideration to add to this franchise... i can't wait til next summer when you're on the "get Melo to NY" bandwagon.

TMS: you make some good points here, but i am wondering why you put so much emphasis on that point... do the knicks really need an elite scorer or elite player? one could argue that both kobe and lebron can score just as well as carmelo if not better, but we have learned over the years that both the lakers and even the cavs to some extent play better when both guys score less and do other things, like defend, pass, facilitate.. etc.. especially the lakers... so why so much emphasis on carmelo scoring? I don't think scoring will be a problem for the knicks..

bro, for me it isn't a question of wanting Melo... i just want to see this team get better... IMHO getting Melo achieves that... when is the last time we had 2 players the calibre of Amare & Melo in NY? i don't remember as long as i've been following this team... Ewing busted his ass for many years trying to get us over the hump & it was obvious he needed someone like Melo at his side to accomplish that goal... i don't want to see Amare doing the same wasting his prime years in a Knicks uniform while we play this waiting game... we spent a ton of money on bringing him here... IMO it's time we take the next step & get that second star player to play alongside him... i have said for a long time now that you need at least 2 studs to contend for a championship... i am not in the camp that wants to gut the entire roster to get Melo... but if there's a chance we can get him by using either AR or Gallo as trade bait along w/other pieces, i think now is the time to go for it... if there isn't, then fine, we stay the course & see what we got this year... i don't got a problem with that... i want this team to be more than just a playoff wannabe... in postseason play u need a guy who can create his own shots & score when everything else breaks down... Melo fits that bill IMO & i think it would be wise for us to pursue him in a trade rather than wait til free agency to determine our fortune... i'm done w/that... no more 2010 wishing on a star plan for success... we got Amare, now it's time to go out & get another star player to play alongside him & do this... u know i am just hoping to see this team get back to greatness just like everyone else... doesn't mean there can't be alternate ways to achieve that goal.

martin wrote:

TMS wrote:martin, your condescension towards anyone that disagrees with your point of view is getting old... i guess your moderator status gives u the right to talk down to people... i've tried engaging you in debate & have brought up points for consideration... you have deflected everything i've said & harping on that singular nonsensical point that Melo isn't an assist guy, something which is pretty obvious... when guys double down on Melo it leaves them open to go for rebounds & secondary scoring opportunities... it isn't Melo's job to get them the ball, it's Chauncey Billups' job to do that... Melo's job is to score the damn basketball, & he does that better than just about every single player in the NBA, which you obviously have no counter for so you want to keep jabbing with this ridiculous notion that Melo needs to average more assists to make him worthy of consideration to add to this franchise... i can't wait til next summer when you're on the "get Melo to NY" bandwagon.

You need to read posts more carefully. In this very thread I have stated: "I would target Melo in the offseason if he is a FA"

In fact you responded to my post where I say that. I am already on that bandwagon.

The answer to your other question is Durant.

Play nice kids

TMS wrote:

tkf wrote:

TMS wrote:martin, your condescension towards anyone that disagrees with your point of view is getting old... i guess your moderator status gives u the right to talk down to people... i've tried engaging you in debate & have brought up points for consideration... you have deflected everything i've said & harping on that singular nonsensical point that Melo isn't an assist guy, something which is pretty obvious... when guys double down on Melo it leaves them open to go for rebounds & secondary scoring opportunities... it isn't Melo's job to get them the ball, it's Chauncey Billups' job to do that... Melo's job is to score the damn basketball, & he does that better than just about every single player in the NBA, which you obviously have no counter for so you want to keep jabbing with this ridiculous notion that Melo needs to average more assists to make him worthy of consideration to add to this franchise... i can't wait til next summer when you're on the "get Melo to NY" bandwagon.

TMS: you make some good points here, but i am wondering why you put so much emphasis on that point... do the knicks really need an elite scorer or elite player? one could argue that both kobe and lebron can score just as well as carmelo if not better, but we have learned over the years that both the lakers and even the cavs to some extent play better when both guys score less and do other things, like defend, pass, facilitate.. etc.. especially the lakers... so why so much emphasis on carmelo scoring? I don't think scoring will be a problem for the knicks..

bro, for me it isn't a question of wanting Melo... i just want to see this team get better... IMHO getting Melo achieves that... when is the last time we had 2 players the calibre of Amare & Melo in NY? i don't remember as long as i've been following this team... Ewing busted his ass for many years trying to get us over the hump & it was obvious he needed someone like Melo at his side to accomplish that goal... i don't want to see Amare doing the same wasting his prime years in a Knicks uniform while we play this waiting game... we spent a ton of money on bringing him here... IMO it's time we take the next step & get that second star player to play alongside him... i have said for a long time now that you need at least 2 studs to contend for a championship... i am not in the camp that wants to gut the entire roster to get Melo... but if there's a chance we can get him by using either AR or Gallo as trade bait along w/other pieces, i think now is the time to go for it... if there isn't, then fine, we stay the course & see what we got this year... i don't got a problem with that... i want this team to be more than just a playoff wannabe... in postseason play u need a guy who can create his own shots & score when everything else breaks down... Melo fits that bill IMO & i think it would be wise for us to pursue him in a trade rather than wait til free agency to determine our fortune... i'm done w/that... no more 2010 wishing on a star plan for success... we got Amare, now it's time to go out & get another star player to play alongside him & do this... u know i am just hoping to see this team get back to greatness just like everyone else... doesn't mean there can't be alternate ways to achieve that goal.

dude, I feel ya... and while the prospect of having amare and melo on the same team is tempting as hell, we still have to count the cost. I remember going to the first preseason game Ewing played in NY... we had very little to no talent.. ewing had guys like Ken bannister and Eddie lee wilkins... He really didn't get much help until we started getting guys like mason, oakley and starks along with X man and gerald wilkens who was there early on, matter of fact.. But here is the difference... we have more talent than ewing did, guys like gallo, felton, AR, chandler are more "talented" than the crew ewing had to start off with, and honestly if not for jordan, ewing could and would have won a few rings IMO... while I like the prosepect of adding melo, I am not sure I want to pay that price... we just can't afford it..