Panos wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Uptown wrote:
Totally agree. You pull the trigger on this deal. For those who are saying wait till next year, I doubt Denver is living by that slogan. While we are being patient, he will by shipped off to Orlando or some other team. If he's there to be had, you jump at the chance even if it means moving Gallo.

What kind of package could Orlando offer Denver that would leave them as a legit contender and give Denver fair value?

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They could start with Vince Carter's contract, which has a team option in 2012.

But does it really give them fair value as a player? Knicks can offer cap relief with Curry's contract as well.

For God's sake! Stop with the cap relief! Nuggets are not trading Anthony for cap relief! He is an expiring contract. Why would they trade him for an expiring that can't even play? It makes zero sense.
They'll want assets.

That's my point, other teams can offer cap relief, that is why I said Denver wants fair value, meaning players.

BTW, I'm surprised playa hasn't chimed in on this. I'm sure he'd be thrilled to be rid of Gallinari.
What happened to him? Or should I not ask?

AnubisADL wrote:I rather trade Amare than trade Gallo or Anthony Randolph.

Fail.

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:I rather trade Amare than trade Gallo or Anthony Randolph.

Fail.

Word!
That made no sense to me.

Michael6835 wrote:This is a no brainer for me. If there is a possibility at all that we can trade for Melo, then we need to get it done. This whole nonsense about lets see how this team will play out is silly. Melo improves this team tremendously, paired with Amare the knicks now present a valid option for the mid tier role players to sign with. The glue guys!

This affinity to hold on to young talent is crazy. This is not like the Marbury trade, where in hindsight your getting a guard past his peak. Melo is still at the top of his game and we have a decent squad to compete. So again, they need to get this done ASAP. The momentum and chemistry the team would have would be tremendous to point where the positive vibes alone should net 10 games.

Couldnt agree with you more, bro. This current team may be in the running for an 8th seed at best. This potential we are all waiting for may never materialize.

Panos wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Uptown wrote:
Totally agree. You pull the trigger on this deal. For those who are saying wait till next year, I doubt Denver is living by that slogan. While we are being patient, he will by shipped off to Orlando or some other team. If he's there to be had, you jump at the chance even if it means moving Gallo.

What kind of package could Orlando offer Denver that would leave them as a legit contender and give Denver fair value?

,

They could start with Vince Carter's contract, which has a team option in 2012.

But does it really give them fair value as a player? Knicks can offer cap relief with Curry's contract as well.

For God's sake! Stop with the cap relief! Nuggets are not trading Anthony for cap relief! He is an expiring contract. Why would they trade him for an expiring that can't even play? It makes zero sense.
They'll want assets.

If he's saying "Only Knicks!" then the Nuggets have no choice but trade him for cheap, or let him go for nothing. It's simple as that.

BRIGGS wrote:

iSergio wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:This smells bad this smells like Gallo AR and Chandler for Melo

if the knicks do anything like this they get what they deserve

they will be capped out with a thin roster and no picks

Nah it won't be all 3. 2/3 at most and most likely imho.

And if we are winning 55 games every year and a title contender with Amar'e Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony, who cares about picks and the 10th-12th man?

If I was in charge its pretty simple-- Gallo and AR are off the table. If that means no Melo--that that is fine with me. I can be patient for on yer and enjoy the team we have now. Right now Denver can really get top value. Just because Melp says NY or whatever doesnt mean he would accept a Dallas or LAetc.. what does that mean--NY will continually have to 1 UP the offer.

if I believe Gallo can be a 22-5-5 player Randolph an 18-11-3 player and Chandler a 20-5-4 player well its not worth it to me. Randolph provides basically the only shot blocking we have---we could get worse by trading for Melo depending on who it may be.

C Anthony was on a stacked team---how many times did they go the the finals?

If I dont get him in FA I hope that another etams trumps any offer that we give. C Anthony is not a make or break player. Older fans will recall a better player the Knicks had Bernard King and we had some decent other pieces made us just a competitive team and Melo is not King in his prime.

I am with you briggs... If melo really wants to play here next year, then we can sign him outright.. I just want to see what we have here develop... melo is an elite scorer and as we know, elite scorers always don't make other around them better.. although I think melo is a fantastic player.. If we give up gallo and other young pieces, for me, this will have the smell dolan hands all over it...at which point, I could not root for this team any time soon..

newyorknewyork wrote:Briggs always picks the worst case scenario.

Let me see you run a 500mm $ business. Do you let a player dictate who you trade him for--if that is the case? Aren't there many destinations in the NBA that are palatable at the bottom line to Carmelo?
So right now-- 29 teams will call and I say put your best deal on the table---I eliminate some==and then ask the other 10--were close but not close enough--this team has offered this--what can you do to sweeten the pot. So this fantasy that Denver will take less is just the fantasy. They will ask for the brinks truck and they have 29 teams who will be calling my man. I can break my back for one player who has only proven to be a very good all star but below the top tier. Its almost like a Tmac--great player but..... no Im not backing up the truck for a trade for this type of player. If he wants to come to NY --let the team build through the year and get him for FREE IF we EVEN need him!!!!! and I question that!!

BRIGGS wrote:

Michael6835 wrote:This is a no brainer for me. If there is a possibility at all that we can trade for Melo, then we need to get it done. This whole nonsense about lets see how this team will play out is silly. Melo improves this team tremendously, paired with Amare the knicks now present a valid option for the mid tier role players to sign with. The glue guys!

This affinity to hold on to young talent is crazy. This is not like the Marbury trade, where in hindsight your getting a guard past his peak. Melo is still at the top of his game and we have a decent squad to compete. So again, they need to get this done ASAP. The momentum and chemistry the team would have would be tremendous to point where the positive vibes alone should net 10 games.

I don't think so Mike. I think we have some good ballplayers here. What are you going to ask for if you aer Denver--well let me give it you

I want AR Chandler Gallo Fields Curry a future first round pick 2014 and the best of the GS 2's next year---Im being offered a similar deal from Philly. take it or leave it.

OR give nothing + be patient for next years and have it all. Take your pick--remember you're not making the deal Denver is and Im being realistic about what they will want. So I give up the whole team for one guy? Amare Stoudemire Nash Joe Johnson Barbosa Shawn marion couldnt get to one final and watered down Amare and Carmelo will? F kidding me we NEED gallo and AR it will be what differentiates us.

We should be the ones dealing from a position of strength at this point. Neither Denver or Melo should be controlling the action. If we are the ones pushing for a trade NOW, we are sweating and showing desperation, and we will come out of this situation with much less than we could have had. By waiting we might just be able to have our cake and eat it too.

Why not see what we have after this season is over and then deal with Anthony when he is on the FA market? It would seem that Anthony's reason for leaving Denver is not necessarily about the $$- we may even be able to get him for less money on the FA market if changes are made in the CBA. Having a front line including Melo, Amare, Randolph & Gallo in their 4th year, Turiaf, the Russian, and perhaps Fields, if he develops, gives us the physical ability to compete with just about anyone, by sheet talent alone, or by wearing our opponents down. (Under this scenario, I don't think we will be able to resign both Chandler and Azubuike because of the numbers- so in some ways they (and Mason, I suppose)may be playing for their positions on the Knicks next year, assuming they want to be back.)

The Knicks are almost there- and with some patience we can have Anthony next year, keep the young core we now have, and be looking at a legitimate contender and challenger for the Scheme-Team next season.

He's only worth it to me if we sign him outright for nothing. If Denver fleeces another team for assets, we sign him from the new team when he's up for free agency in a year.

Also, as I've said countless times before, Carmelo is not a franchise, build your team around type player. He is definitely tier 2.... he will not make us a championship contender even if he comes OUTRIGHT. Look at Denver before and after Chauncey to see what I mean. Carmelo doesn't make his teammates better, he doesn't block shots, he stops the offense's flow. He is a volume scorer who shoots a low percentage for a forward. For comparison, Lebron shoots 5 percentage points higher (45% vs 50%), gets you 5 more assists, and gets you more steals, rebounds, and blocks.

The same people who like this guy must love allen iverson too. And guess what - iverson never won anything either.