Markji wrote:

TMS wrote:as a scout of draft prospects i have no problem w/bringing Isiah back as a consultant... just as long as he has no say on player trade acquisitions.

Looks like we have a "Problem."

New article by Isola

Thomas was brought on as consultant only after Walsh refused Dolan's request two weeks ago to name the former Detroit Pistons star (Thomas) general manager, an NBA source said.

Dolan, Thomas and Walsh reached a compromise after Walsh vehemently objected to having Thomas part of the day-to-day operations of the club.

Dolan was adamant about rehiring Thomas. It appears the compromise will simply delay Thomas' full-time return to the club, quite possibly as Walsh's successor.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2010/08/06/2010-08-06_isiah_thomas_officially_returns_to_new_york_knicks_two_years_after_scandalmarred.html?r=sports/basketball/knicks&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+nydnrss/sports/basketball/knicks+(Sports/Basketball/Knicks)

as long as James Dolan owns this team, nothing surprises me anymore... i can't believe this guy was pushing to have Isiah reinstated as the GM of his franchise after what he did the first time around... Donnie Walsh mine as well retire, he's got no control of this organization as long as Dolan is in the picture.

TMS wrote:as a scout of draft prospects i have no problem w/bringing Isiah back as a consultant... just as long as he has no say on player trade acquisitions.

can we stop with the isiah is a draft expert bs

Childs2Dudley wrote:The whole thing is that Dolan WANTS Donnie to quit.

Firing him would make him look bad in his eyes but re-hiring Isiah wouldn't. That't the type of genius that James Dolan is.

why would he want Donnie to quit? he's the owner, if he doesn't like the way Donnie's doing things, he can just fire him & hire Isiah again... Donnie's contract only has 1 more year left anyway.

Markji wrote:

TMS wrote:as a scout of draft prospects i have no problem w/bringing Isiah back as a consultant... just as long as he has no say on player trade acquisitions.

Looks like we have a "Problem."

New article by Isola

Thomas was brought on as consultant only after Walsh refused Dolan's request two weeks ago to name the former Detroit Pistons star (Thomas) general manager, an NBA source said.

Dolan, Thomas and Walsh reached a compromise after Walsh vehemently objected to having Thomas part of the day-to-day operations of the club.

Dolan was adamant about rehiring Thomas. It appears the compromise will simply delay Thomas' full-time return to the club, quite possibly as Walsh's successor.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2010/08/06/2010-08-06_isiah_thomas_officially_returns_to_new_york_knicks_two_years_after_scandalmarred.html?r=sports/basketball/knicks&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+nydnrss/sports/basketball/knicks+(Sports/Basketball/Knicks)

TMS wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:Renaldo Balkman
Mardy Collins
Demetris Nichols
Nate Robinson

vs.

David Lee
Trevor Ariza
Wilson Chandler

Mediocre at best with his low picks in NY but some NY fans still buy into that myth that he is a genius drafter.

Don't forget his lottery pick was Channing Frye.

This guy is no better than Donnie as it stands right now.

Donnie got Gallinari and Douglas and missed the boat with Hill and probably Rautins. Fields could be a sleeper.

how do you put Nate Robinson on his list of busts when the guy was putting up 30 pt. games for us at one point? as for Mardy Collins, the only player selected after him of any note was Paul Millsap, & we already had David Lee at the same position... 46 other guys were picked before him so you can't pin that one on Isiah... you gotta be kidding me with putting Demetris Nichols on the list too, what kind of talent do you expect to get with a #53 pick anyway?

Renaldo Balkman & Channing Frye were both misses, i'll give you that, but David Lee, Ariza & Chandler were all very excellent picks for where they were taken... to say Isiah has just an average eye for talent is selling him short IMO... i don't care if you hate the man for what he did to this franchise, i hate him too for that, but let's not let personal feelings shade our judgement of the man's ability to scout talent.

as for Donnie's pick of Rautins, the same argument applies... u don't expect to get much of anything that low in the draft... i didn't like the pick simply because we didn't need another shooter IMO, it would have made more sense to pick up a shotblocker at that point (this was before we made the trade for AR & Turiaf).

Chandler and Ariza are role players, not superstars..so how does that make those picks very excellent? Those picks were good, but there was Latrell Sprewell taken there. Very excellent? No. You can find role players late in the draft and it's not that difficult to do. Just because some GM's draft garbage doesn't mean Isiah is a genius.

Like I said, he drafted Mardy and Balkman and you're defending the Mardy pick for no reason other than the fact that Mardy wasn't worse than the other players picked after him. Still not the issue here. The issue is that Mardy and Balkman sucked and they were his late 1st round picks. That means he's not the "eye for talent" genius some people think he is since he made his own mistakes.

I'm not selling him short because of my "hate" for him. His draft picks in New York were mediocre. Meaning he had some good and some bad. There was nothing great there. And no I don't think No-D Lee makes him an excellent drafter, nor do I think the midget who'll be playing spot minutes in Boston makes him an excellent drafter. Lee is his best draft pick and he has his flaws. I don't buy into the "Isiah knows talent" myth and never will.

TMS wrote:you're not even making sense... Latrell Sprewell was picked in #24 in the '92 draft, so anything short of that is just average from now on? that's silly talk.

Ariza at #44 was an excellent pick, i don't care if he's just a role player... he's a very talented role player & played a pivotal role for the Lakers in winning a championship... he's the best player that was selected after Kevin Martin at #26 that year... Wilson Chandler at #23 was an excellent pick as well, there isn't 1 player taken after him that i'd rather have other than maybe Marc Gasol at #48... Carl Landry would have been nice too, but again, we had David Lee at that position already.

& why is defending the Mardy pick by pointing out we missed out on no one not applicable? everyone else picked after Mardy other than Millsap sucked too... so would Isiah have done any better by drafting someone else besides Mardy at that slot? so what that he was a late 1st round pick? that doesn't guarantee you have a great talent pool to pick from... the 2006 draft was 1 of the worst in history... everyone's Golden Boy Rod Thorn selected Marcus Williams with the #22 pick who also sucked, does that mean his eye for talent is just so-so? Portland, Boston & Memphis were really the only 3 teams to have a good draft that year, does that mean every other GM other than those 3 teams are just mediocre in scouting talent?

u can nitpick bad draft picks from every single GM in the NBA... the only "bad" picks Isiah's made as our GM afaic are Frye & Balkman... the rest were either excellent or inconsequential.

So some good picks, some bad picks, but I think I agree with GKF, he is record may be slightly better than average, but that's no reason to put him in the "drafting genius" category.

Markji wrote:

TMS wrote:as a scout of draft prospects i have no problem w/bringing Isiah back as a consultant... just as long as he has no say on player trade acquisitions.

Looks like we have a "Problem."

New article by Isola

Thomas was brought on as consultant only after Walsh refused Dolan's request two weeks ago to name the former Detroit Pistons star (Thomas) general manager, an NBA source said.

Dolan, Thomas and Walsh reached a compromise after Walsh vehemently objected to having Thomas part of the day-to-day operations of the club.

Dolan was adamant about rehiring Thomas. It appears the compromise will simply delay Thomas' full-time return to the club, quite possibly as Walsh's successor.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2010/08/06/2010-08-06_isiah_thomas_officially_returns_to_new_york_knicks_two_years_after_scandalmarred.html?r=sports/basketball/knicks&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+nydnrss/sports/basketball/knicks+(Sports/Basketball/Knicks)

If true, this would be more than a bit scary to think about.

Does anyone have an idea who Isola's source might be??

loweyecue wrote:

TMS wrote:you're not even making sense... Latrell Sprewell was picked in #24 in the '92 draft, so anything short of that is just average from now on? that's silly talk.

Ariza at #44 was an excellent pick, i don't care if he's just a role player... he's a very talented role player & played a pivotal role for the Lakers in winning a championship... he's the best player that was selected after Kevin Martin at #26 that year... Wilson Chandler at #23 was an excellent pick as well, there isn't 1 player taken after him that i'd rather have other than maybe Marc Gasol at #48... Carl Landry would have been nice too, but again, we had David Lee at that position already.

& why is defending the Mardy pick by pointing out we missed out on no one not applicable? everyone else picked after Mardy other than Millsap sucked too... so would Isiah have done any better by drafting someone else besides Mardy at that slot? so what that he was a late 1st round pick? that doesn't guarantee you have a great talent pool to pick from... the 2006 draft was 1 of the worst in history... everyone's Golden Boy Rod Thorn selected Marcus Williams with the #22 pick who also sucked, does that mean his eye for talent is just so-so? Portland, Boston & Memphis were really the only 3 teams to have a good draft that year, does that mean every other GM other than those 3 teams are just mediocre in scouting talent?

u can nitpick bad draft picks from every single GM in the NBA... the only "bad" picks Isiah's made as our GM afaic are Frye & Balkman... the rest were either excellent or inconsequential.

So some good picks, some bad picks, but I think I agree with GKF, he is record may be slightly better than average, but that's no reason to put him in the "drafting genius" category.

i don't think anyone would call isiah a "drafting genius"...he just did pretty well with the picks he had other than frye, who isn't too bad of a player for a playoff team, and balkman. however, both have shown signs in the league, unlike some guys who haven't shown a thing after being drafted.