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Markji
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7/11/2010  7:41 AM
Start this at 8 1/2 minutes and Mozgov gets involved in the play. This is from 2009, so he probably has improved even better than what is on this clip. The game continues with other segments - but I haven't had the time to watch. He shows some good moves around the basket. A nice finger roll, etc. Good to try him out but a pretty BIG committment for "Tiny Tim".

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7/11/2010  7:52 AM
The Answer Man Dug Jason Bourne in Moscow And The Pine Barrons Episode Of the Sopranos

Q. purple - Why wasn't he drafted?

A Paulie Walnuts chased down the Russian with Christopher in the middle of winter so the Nets could make him an offer. They got lost. The Russian got away.

Q. Purple012 - Is he coming over for this upcoming season?

A. Does Aeroflot fly into JFK?

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7/11/2010  8:30 AM
EwingsGlass wrote:

	             2010 Under Contract	2011 Under Contract
Eddy Curry	          11,276,863.00	                       0.00
Danilo Gallinari	   3,304,560.00	               4,190,182.00
Wilson Chandler	           2,130,481.00                	       0.00
Toney Douglas	           1,071,000.00	               1,145,640.00
Andy Rautins	             473,604.00   	         513,860.34
Landry Fields	             473,604.00	                 513,860.34
Bill Walker	             854,389.00	                 916,100.00
Jerome Jordan	             473,604.00	                 513,860.34
Kelenna Azubuike	   3,364,000.00	                       0.00
Anthony Randolph	   1,965,720.00	               2,911,231.00
Ronny Turiaf	           4,000,000.00	               4,360,000.00 (Player Option)
Amare Stoudemire       	  16,500,000.00	              18,232,500.00
Ray Felton	           7,500,000.00	               8,100,000.00
Timofey Mozgov	           3,000,000.00	               3,240,000.00
		
		
		
Under Contract	          56,387,825.00	              44,637,234.02
Salary Cap	          58,044,000.00	              59,785,320.00
Cap Space	           1,656,175.00	              15,148,085.98

Ok, one small note, the above looks correct if we renounce the rights to Azubuike, Curry and don't give Chandler a qualifying offer or renounce his rights if we do.
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7/11/2010  8:59 AM
Some comments

http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2010/7/10/1563582/givony-knicks-will-sign-timofey

Givony - Mozgov can play guys. He's a big body and super athletic guy who rebounds, block shots and finishes really well around the rim.

Sham Sports - I saw Khimki about 14 times in 2008-09. So while I'm not trying to brag, trust me when I implore to you that Mozgov is an NBA player.
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7/11/2010  9:02 AM

Sure doesn't seem like the same GM that messed up drafts and missed out on trades for the past three years. I'll say that.

Sounds like a big Milsap, which I guess Mbenga is... Not a bad fit for certain game situations ie playing Orlando or Boston.

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7/11/2010  9:22 AM
Paladin55 wrote:So Donnie f'n lied to us? He said he was done with the FA market.

Have we ever had this much beef and length on our front line? This guy sounds like a moose.

Maybe this is the enforcer who is going to give up some hard fouls against the guy whose posse questioned Walsh's virility?


This signing is all about the kind of players Walsh wants on a team. Based on the comments I read about his offensive skills I can't see that MDA would want this guy as a 5. Getting this guy is all Donnie. I think there is some tension going on between him and MDA. I also think the GS trade is one Walsh wanted more than MDA.

We have enough bulk to actually inspire some fear in people who try to drive on our basket. Folks expecting a free ride to our hoop are going to be facing a rude reality this season.

By the way- how does this set back our cap room?


yeah. this is donnie. this is beef. this is someone who is gonna man up in the middle. this is not pansy ssol mda approved big man. mda will throw a temper tantrum and not play this man. if mda struggles out the gate, he's getting ax'ed this season.

this is also donnie stockpiling assets, young, cheap assets for a trade.

to go after CP3 (will have to take back Oka-Scrub) / Parker - felton + gallo + turiaf + picks + cash

to go after melo - AR + Chandler + Toney Douglas + Rautins + picks + cash

SF'ing will continue in NY
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7/11/2010  9:25 AM
EwingsGlass wrote:Ooh.. where is the 'dissent' in your statement "I hope Mozgov can shoot the 3 or he probably won't play for D'Antoni.". I consider myself open minded, but seems to be pure vitriol. You can disagree that the Timofey signing is good, or whether it can be productive, but why knock the coach because the team signed a 7'1 player. Seems pretty f---ing stupid to me.

why knock the coach? because Mda had 3 7 footers last season that Mda refused to play, that were on the roster. Darko, Hill, Curry (when healthy) and someone else (I forget at this point)
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7/11/2010  9:28 AM
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Sure doesn't seem like the same GM that messed up drafts and missed out on trades for the past three years. I'll say that.

Sounds like a big Milsap, which I guess Mbenga is... Not a bad fit for certain game situations ie playing Orlando or Boston.

I agree... maybe I'm reaching here, but I think Donnie has figured out who to trust and who to dismiss within the regime. While I am a fan of his patience perhaps he was a bit too trusting when he came in. Who knows, maybe screwing up the Jennings pick was what the franchise needed to move forward

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7/11/2010  9:28 AM
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Cosmic wrote:What in the hell?

Who? Why?

....What the hell is going on.

Really? We killed Max-2011 cap space... on some big gigantic mongoloid that nobody knows about?

Really?????????


Wow....


But, well, give it time, somebody will declare him our starting center for the next 10 years I'm sure.

dude is signed for $3M. you don't think we could dump/trade $3M?


If you dump the guy, it still counts on your cap. If you "trade" 3 mil, you have to take 3 mil back. This is stockpiling assets, plain and simple. Look, it goes along the premise of not being conservative, doing nothing and saving the cap. It is along aggressive, thinking, maneuvering of cap that should be done. Cap space can be reobtained in a second - evidence of all these teams clearing cap all summer long. Furthermore - there are probably clauses / options in there (player option or team option) that make it cap friendly. Regardless, almost any team in the league will take a center for 3 mils
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7/11/2010  9:30 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:Mozgov is reportedly interested in playing in the NBA, but has two more years on his contract after this season. He does have an NBA out clause after 2010-2011, with a buy out. It’s doubtful that Khimki would look to sell his rights this summer considering how valuable his domestic passport is to them. Russian league rules state that two local players must be on the court at all time.

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Timofey-Mozgov-5161/#ixzz0tL93mOoQ
http://www.draftexpress.com


This is weird, along with the considerably big and long contract to an unknown euro free agent.

That really sucks and is surprising. It's hard to imagine the Knicks would use their cap space to get someone who won't be here for three years

I think they paid his team $500 G for him- so they did buy out his contract.

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7/11/2010  9:32 AM
Sounds like another big body to challenge Amar'e in practice and prepare our front court to defend some height. Surprised he's not a Net!
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7/11/2010  9:34 AM
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Paladin55 wrote:So Donnie f'n lied to us? He said he was done with the FA market.

Have we ever had this much beef and length on our front line? This guy sounds like a moose.

Maybe this is the enforcer who is going to give up some hard fouls against the guy whose posse questioned Walsh's virility?


This signing is all about the kind of players Walsh wants on a team. Based on the comments I read about his offensive skills I can't see that MDA would want this guy as a 5. Getting this guy is all Donnie. I think there is some tension going on between him and MDA. I also think the GS trade is one Walsh wanted more than MDA.

We have enough bulk to actually inspire some fear in people who try to drive on our basket. Folks expecting a free ride to our hoop are going to be facing a rude reality this season.

By the way- how does this set back our cap room?

Hey Palladin 55 I don't hide that Im not really a fan of how mDA coaches basketball--maybe it looks snazzy but I prefer the way DW built up the Indiana frontline--hey that was a time when there were many big teams and getting to the basket wasnt easy. We just saw a monsterous Laker team win it all two times in a row. You have to be able to play defense and rebound to win and you need big guys to score easy points and clog the lane on D. If I had my pick for this team--I would go with a Mark jackson--he had good things to say about Randolph and I just see him-=--as a guy who played for a lot of good coaches--he was here when Pitino used 10 guys --I just think a guy like M Jackson would be better for this team. Thats just the way I see it. I see Mark Jackson like a Scotty Brooks like coach.

yeah, if Mda struggles, MJax is in. Donnie has this guy waiting in the wings.

Furthermore - you sign players for 3 years to get their bird rights, simple as that.

You need size in the NBA to win, period.

Regarding Carmelo - that's the word on the street, he's coming to NY this fall. Who knows, probably wishful thinking, but that would be amazing. Regardless, we have the young talent to make it happen. NY will overpay to make it happen as well. Carmelo needs to just put the pressure on Denver and say straight up - trade me to NY now for pure assets or I will sign there in the offseason for free - either way I am going to NY.
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7/11/2010  9:40 AM
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nixluva wrote:MDA can coach! PERIOD! I can't wait for some of you guys to see what he can do for players that aren't selfish and want to be coached. DW is giving him a team full of balance and options. MDA coached Shaq for goodness sake. He played Jared, Barron and if he had stayed healthy Curry would've played too. He went to the WCF with Diaw and KT. MDA plays guys who can help him win.

What do you think Donnie is just gonna force players down MDA's throat with no regard for how his system works? MDA and DW I have no doubt, are in synch on what the plan is for this roster. Both men realize you need size to compete, but you need GOOD players with size. They'll try to develop these bigs. Some will excel and stay some won't. It's worth a shot to see if we catch lighting in a bottle. I love how Donnie is loading up the bench with high upside young talent. Isn't that what many have been screaming about? Our capspace is being used perfectly by Donnie. We've never had this much raw talent and size since the Ewing era ended. This is what DW does best.


I agree with everything that you said about Walsh and I am very excited about what he has done this offseason. I disagree about D'Antoni playing bigs and developing players. D'Antoni took the Knicks to 29 wins last year and let his rookies sit while marginal vets with expirings got minutes. D'Antoni has said that he believes bigs slow down the offense and in the past he has not played them. The reason I am questioning Walsh/D'Antoni is because D'Antoni has always been about three point shooting, athleticism, and speed. Size has always been sacrificed to achieve this for D'Antoni teams. Walsh is putting together a team with tremendous size and many of these guys are not three point shooters and some may slow down the offense some. This is different from past practice with these two. Walsh has catered to D'Antoni as much as possible within the parameters of the salary cap and his plan to clear cap space. That doesn't appear to be the case anymore. The Knicks have a roster with young players and a lot of length. Last year the rookies didn't see any significant playing time until the last quarter of the season. Hill because he was on a different team and Douglas's minutes simultaneously went up during the March road trip when Donnie traveled with the team to scout his players and coaching staff. I don't think Walsh is going to provide D'Antoni with the high character low upside vets that don't need coaching. I think Walsh wants to win and build for the future. He knows how to build a winning team but I think he maybe recognizing that D'Antoni doesn't know how to coach a rebuilding, young team.

great post
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7/11/2010  9:41 AM
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martin wrote:
Cosmic wrote:What in the hell?

Who? Why?

....What the hell is going on.

Really? We killed Max-2011 cap space... on some big gigantic mongoloid that nobody knows about?

Really?????????


Wow....


But, well, give it time, somebody will declare him our starting center for the next 10 years I'm sure.

dude is signed for $3M. you don't think we could dump/trade $3M?


If you dump the guy, it still counts on your cap. If you "trade" 3 mil, you have to take 3 mil back. This is stockpiling assets, plain and simple. Look, it goes along the premise of not being conservative, doing nothing and saving the cap. It is along aggressive, thinking, maneuvering of cap that should be done. Cap space can be reobtained in a second - evidence of all these teams clearing cap all summer long. Furthermore - there are probably clauses / options in there (player option or team option) that make it cap friendly. Regardless, almost any team in the league will take a center for 3 mils

You can trade $3 mil to a team with at least $3 mil and cap space and take back a draft pick......

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7/11/2010  9:45 AM
Maybe Walsh is assembling a practice team to challenge SSOL ball and make sure they don't forget about on-man & team defense. His Generals to 's Globetrotters, so to speak.
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7/11/2010  9:53 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/11/2010  9:57 AM
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martin wrote:
Cosmic wrote:What in the hell?

Who? Why?

....What the hell is going on.

Really? We killed Max-2011 cap space... on some big gigantic mongoloid that nobody knows about?

Really?????????


Wow....


But, well, give it time, somebody will declare him our starting center for the next 10 years I'm sure.

dude is signed for $3M. you don't think we could dump/trade $3M?


If you dump the guy, it still counts on your cap. If you "trade" 3 mil, you have to take 3 mil back. This is stockpiling assets, plain and simple. Look, it goes along the premise of not being conservative, doing nothing and saving the cap. It is along aggressive, thinking, maneuvering of cap that should be done. Cap space can be reobtained in a second - evidence of all these teams clearing cap all summer long. Furthermore - there are probably clauses / options in there (player option or team option) that make it cap friendly. Regardless, almost any team in the league will take a center for 3 mils

Turiaf might not opt in next year- another $4+M off the cap. I also think that if he gives us an injury free year this year, he is an easy guy to find a taker for in a trade.

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7/11/2010  10:21 AM
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I LOVE the play at 0.43. throws up a total brick from the foul line, commits an awesome offensive foul to get the board, just creams the guy, then tosses it in.
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7/11/2010  10:23 AM
btw i love the name timofey. it's like anfernee.
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7/11/2010  10:25 AM
re: the concerns about mda - i think they're warranted. i'm getting a real uneasy feeling about the guy. if he misuses this roster badly, i'd love to see him canned 1/2-way into the year, just have donnie issue a simple "he's a great coach but we're going in another direction," give him his dough, and move on.
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7/11/2010  10:31 AM
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JohnWallace44 wrote:
Sure doesn't seem like the same GM that messed up drafts and missed out on trades for the past three years. I'll say that.

Sounds like a big Milsap, which I guess Mbenga is... Not a bad fit for certain game situations ie playing Orlando or Boston.

I agree... maybe I'm reaching here, but I think Donnie has figured out who to trust and who to dismiss within the regime. While I am a fan of his patience perhaps he was a bit too trusting when he came in. Who knows, maybe screwing up the Jennings pick was what the franchise needed to move forward

Its very strange. Clearly they are doing something better all of the sudden. They aren't listening to Isiah because he would have drafted Warren, but then signed Felton to 5 years with a trade kicker.

You wonder if they've been handicapped by needing to draft LeBonplimentary
Players and that was the hold-up in Donnie's last two drafts.

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