martin wrote:Haven't really watched the series. Is Milwaukee beating the Hawks or are the Hawks beating themselves? And isn't this the same Hawks team that lost 3 out of 4 to the Knicks?

I am sure Jennings is doing some good things out there... but are the Hawks really a good barometer? Duhon can out-quick Mike Bibby. Salmons seems like a big part of what the Bucks are doing right.

Jennings absolutely took over for stretches in Game 5. He put his foot on the accelerator in the first quarter and scored 12 straight points - setting the tone for the game.

The whole team is well-coached and plays great defense. Salmons has a perfect role there as a scorer playing off Jennings. Ilysova or whoever can really shoot it. Kurt Thomas is holding down the middle respectably in Bogut's absence. Carlos Delfino was a great signing. Ridnour is a heady, solid backup.

But Jennings is the orchestrator. It's his team.

The Hawks have enough to beat the Bucks silly. They aren't. Whether that's over confidence, horrible offensive sets (they literally just hold the ball for ten seconds at the beginning of each set) or a horrible coach... I don't know. But Mike Woodson is as bad a coach as Skiles is good. That said, the Hawks SHOULD still win this series. But they probably won't.

Hope the Bucks don't get too ****y tonight.

crzymdups wrote:

martin wrote:Haven't really watched the series. Is Milwaukee beating the Hawks or are the Hawks beating themselves? And isn't this the same Hawks team that lost 3 out of 4 to the Knicks?

I am sure Jennings is doing some good things out there... but are the Hawks really a good barometer? Duhon can out-quick Mike Bibby. Salmons seems like a big part of what the Bucks are doing right.

Jennings absolutely took over for stretches in Game 5. He put his foot on the accelerator in the first quarter and scored 12 straight points - setting the tone for the game.

The whole team is well-coach and plays great defense. Salmons has a perfect role there as a scorer playing off Jennings. Ilysova or whoever can really shoot it. Kurt Thomas is holding down the middle respectably in Bogut's absence. Carlos Delfino was a great signing. Ridnour is a heady, solid backup.

But Jennings is the orchestrator. It's his team.

The Hawks have enough to beat the Bucks silly. They aren't. Whether that's over confidence, horrible offensive sets (they literally just hold the ball for ten seconds at the beginning of each set) and a horrible coach. Mike Woodson is as bad a coach as Skiles is good. That said, the Hawks SHOULD still win this series. But they probably won't.

Hope the Bucks don't get too ****y tonight.

Jennings is making this team look good. I have seen all the Bucks regular season games and trust me I wouldnt bring back any of those guys mentioned except Muah-Boute, Kurt Thomas, and Ersan.

Ersan is a better option as a starter at SF but then the bench would have zero offense. Milwaukee is one season away from having space to sign some serious talent to help them. Their most important need is a SG and Salmons/Delfino is NOT the answer.

Pharzeone wrote:Jennings is making Salmons look gifted. Hawks big men are so worry about his penetration that they crowd the post and Salmons is a free man with just Johnson to worry about. Salmons didn't do much early in the last game while Jennings was able to keep the Bucks in the game. Woodson started running Smith and Johnson to help out on Jennings because Jamal was chasing him around. To Martin's point, Hawks aren't that good when they face similar athleticism.

Could be this says more about Atlanta's guard play than JENNINGS> could be he is the next 'big thing'
Time will tell.

Some wanna pine over what they could have had. I find little fault with Walsh's picks as of yet. With D'Antoni..time will tell.

In five games starting in Dallas

Mar 21 vs. HOU L 112 - 116 37 10 - 19 6 - 10 0 - 0 0 3 3 4 2 0 5 5 26
Mar 19 vs. PHI W 92 - 88 24 7 - 13 4 - 7 4 - 5 1 4 5 2 2 0 2 5 22
Mar 17 @ BOS L 97 - 109 41 5 - 13 1 - 6 0 - 0 5 2 7 3 3 0 3 1 11
Mar 15 @ PHI W 94 - 84 37 7 - 13 2 - 6 4 - 4 0 1 1 7 3 0 3 2 20
Mar 13 @ DAL W 128 - 94 31 8 - 10 4 - 4 1 - 2 0 2 2 8 1 1 0 2 21

TD put up good numbers as the starting point. That he should start that strong on his first game AWAY and at Dallas.
you got to see what I feel you will get from him eventually. Now that's a road win in his first real point guard start.

From the times I've heard Breen as commentator ...he seems to be in JW44's corner. Clyde. I think he's in love with the boy.

REmind me womeone when Ill Will had to rest. After the Dallas game?

JohnWallace44 wrote:

Marv wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:See, this is the homerism that kills me. Trying to defend Walsh's drafting is like trying to defend Isiah's FA signings.

TD is better than Jennings? Really? He absolutely carried a team that's very comparable to the Knicks to the playoffs and didn't just barely make it either.

So now TD is a six foot shooting guard who is a better value than Jennings... Now I've heard it all.

Also, add Hill to my list of 2008 draftees who have more trade value than Gallo. Dude won the game for the Spurs last night and has been a key player for a veteran team.

great. you go be the genius then who drafts george hill with the #6 pick and see if you have a job the next day. ever hear of sleeper picks? they’re called that for a reason. you want to dub yourself the king of monday-morning quarterback 20-20 hindsight geniuses? help yourself.

Bro, the point is that there were plenty of players you could have picked that would have been more helpful to the Knicks. I've made the point before that you could throw darts at a board of the available players and do better than Donnie. Same thing in 2009, we could have used any of the PG's that went in the first round instead of Hill, or Derozan, or just about anyone.

What's this talk about TD being a "2 way PG"? I thought that we established that he's a 6' shooting guard?

Walsh is clueless and pins his whole rep on drafting Reggie Miller.

I know a troll when I see one. Still it makes for lively conversation. Td's been proving people like you wrong all his life.

Cosmic wrote:

Olbrannon wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:

Marv wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:See, this is the homerism that kills me. Trying to defend Walsh's drafting is like trying to defend Isiah's FA signings.

TD is better than Jennings? Really? He absolutely carried a team that's very comparable to the Knicks to the playoffs and didn't just barely make it either.

So now TD is a six foot shooting guard who is a better value than Jennings... Now I've heard it all.

Also, add Hill to my list of 2008 draftees who have more trade value than Gallo. Dude won the game for the Spurs last night and has been a key player for a veteran team.

great. you go be the genius then who drafts george hill with the #6 pick and see if you have a job the next day. ever hear of sleeper picks? they’re called that for a reason. you want to dub yourself the king of monday-morning quarterback 20-20 hindsight geniuses? help yourself.

Bro, the point is that there were plenty of players you could have picked that would have been more helpful to the Knicks. I've made the point before that you could throw darts at a board of the available players and do better than Donnie. Same thing in 2009, we could have used any of the PG's that went in the first round instead of Hill, or Derozan, or just about anyone.

What's this talk about TD being a "2 way PG"? I thought that we established that he's a 6' shooting guard?

Walsh is clueless and pins his whole rep on drafting Reggie Miller.

I know a troll when I see one. Still it makes for lively conversation. Td's been proving people like you wrong all his life.

Douglas is great.
Gallo is showing many signs of being very good.
Hill was absolute garbage.

2 out of 3 isn't all that bad IMO.

Not sure why Donnie gets reamed out so much over the drafts.

Should we have gone Lopez-Jennings-?

Perhaps. But I'm far from unhappy with what we have.

2 out of 3 aint bad huh? Tell me what draftee would have put up worse numbers than Gallo given his opportunities. Dude has more apologists than Sarah Palin at a Snomobilers Against Abortion convention.

You can't blow it on a lotto pick like Hill when you're going against your need and then package him for nothing in return and see your trade partner then dangle him for the player you were trying to clear space for... and call yourself a professional GM... I'm sorry, that's the stuff of legend that isn't even trumped by the Camby Nene trade.

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=300430015
Nice going BJ...dude is really over-rated

If you have watched this series you wouldn't isolate one game and say Jennings is overrated.

I know he's a volume shooter, I'm just not comfortable with a volume shooter as my pg.

A pg's job is to run the team and get people involved, not hoist up 17 to 20 shots a game, thats only going to win some season games. It won't do you any good in the playoffs..Your facing the same opponent for possible 4 to 7 games, they'll make adjustments and you end up having your pg trying to force up stupid shots and f..ng up the chemistry..

playa2 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=300430015
Nice going BJ...dude is really over-rated

If you have watched this series you wouldn't isolate one game and say Jennings is overrated.

I know he's a volume shooter, I'm just not comfortable with a volume shooter as my pg.

A pg's job is to run the team and get people involved, not hoist up 17 to 20 shots a game, thats only going to win some season games. It won't do you any good in the playoffs..Your facing the same opponent for possible 4 to 7 games, they'll make adjustments and you end up having your pg trying to force up stupid shots and f..ng up the chemistry..

Have you even watched the series ???

the last 2 games

JohnWallace44 wrote:Tell me what draftee would have put up worse numbers than Gallo given his opportunities. Dude has more apologists than Sarah Palin at a Snomobilers Against Abortion convention.

Dude are you serious with this? Can I quote you on this in 2 years?

Panos wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:Tell me what draftee would have put up worse numbers than Gallo given his opportunities. Dude has more apologists than Sarah Palin at a Snomobilers Against Abortion convention.

Dude are you serious with this? Can I quote you on this in 2 years?

You have to admit that quote is pretty ****ing hilarious though.