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MS
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4/21/2010  1:45 PM
Lee is the better player.

Washington had Butler, Jamison, Foye, Haywood, Miller and could barely win any games. We are going to miss the kid. Once his contract is locked in I think you will see better defense from him.
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Marv
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4/21/2010  1:47 PM
martin wrote:
Marv wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
Marv wrote:
Loconixfan wrote:If the knicks dealt lee to NO for cp3 and ok4 would they still have enough cap to offer lebron a max contract? If so imagine this:

pg-cp3
sg-Chandler
sf-bron bron
pf-gallo
c-ok4

I would be extremely happy with that

no they would not.

You would have to include Curry to make that happen.

i refuse to part with him.

what's it with you and your attraction towards overly large men?

inside eddy is a smaller man crying for love.
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4/21/2010  1:56 PM
MS wrote:Lee is the better player.

Washington had Butler, Jamison, Foye, Haywood, Miller and could barely win any games. We are going to miss the kid. Once his contract is locked in I think you will see better defense from him.

Wow. Jamison has averaged 20 points and 8 rebounds on two teams under multiple coaches during his career and Lee average 19 points this past season under one of the most offensive oriented coaches in the league. Could we wait more than one year before we start saying that Lee is better than such and such 20 point player. One reason I wouldn't mind seeing Lee move on is to see if he can repeat his season performance under different circumstances with more pressure on him.

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4/21/2010  2:07 PM
Marv wrote:inside eddy is a smaller man crying for love.

Professional opinion or are you joking?
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4/21/2010  2:09 PM
Marv wrote:
martin wrote:
Marv wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
Marv wrote:
Loconixfan wrote:If the knicks dealt lee to NO for cp3 and ok4 would they still have enough cap to offer lebron a max contract? If so imagine this:

pg-cp3
sg-Chandler
sf-bron bron
pf-gallo
c-ok4

I would be extremely happy with that

no they would not.

You would have to include Curry to make that happen.

i refuse to part with him.

what's it with you and your attraction towards overly large men?

inside eddy is a smaller man crying for love.

I don't think anyone here wants to touch that

Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right. - The Tick
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4/21/2010  2:28 PM
^^^^the smaller man inside eddy is.....nate
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4/21/2010  2:59 PM
MS wrote:Lee is the better player.

Washington had Butler, Jamison, Foye, Haywood, Miller and could barely win any games. We are going to miss the kid. Once his contract is locked in I think you will see better defense from him.

lee cant carry a team either. similar guys. lee has him in age. we may miss aspects of his game if he goes, he wasnt alone leading this team anywhere though.

GO TEAM VENTURE!!!!!
Marv
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4/21/2010  4:29 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
Marv wrote:
martin wrote:
Marv wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
Marv wrote:
Loconixfan wrote:If the knicks dealt lee to NO for cp3 and ok4 would they still have enough cap to offer lebron a max contract? If so imagine this:

pg-cp3
sg-Chandler
sf-bron bron
pf-gallo
c-ok4

I would be extremely happy with that

no they would not.

You would have to include Curry to make that happen.

i refuse to part with him.

what's it with you and your attraction towards overly large men?

inside eddy is a smaller man crying for love.

I don't think anyone here wants to touch that

especially dave.
Marv
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4/21/2010  4:31 PM
Silverfuel wrote:
Marv wrote:inside eddy is a smaller man crying for love.

Professional opinion or are you joking?

joking. but am open to conjecture on the topic.
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4/21/2010  5:27 PM
Pharzeone wrote:
MS wrote:Lee is the better player.

Washington had Butler, Jamison, Foye, Haywood, Miller and could barely win any games. We are going to miss the kid. Once his contract is locked in I think you will see better defense from him.

Wow. Jamison has averaged 20 points and 8 rebounds on two teams under multiple coaches during his career and Lee average 19 points this past season under one of the most offensive oriented coaches in the league. Could we wait more than one year before we start saying that Lee is better than such and such 20 point player. One reason I wouldn't mind seeing Lee move on is to see if he can repeat his season performance under different circumstances with more pressure on him.

No... Lee is better, plain and simple. How can anyone say Lee's numbers are inflated? He shot 55%. Its not like he scored more because he took more shots.

Then you look at Lee's progression as a player. He's ALWAYS shot a great %. Each year his skill set has simply gotten better. He went from a hustle guy drafted last to an all star. What front court players handle the ball better than Lee? What front court players are better passers?

http://www.82games.com/0910/09NYK17.HTM

Lee's EFG% is 55% on jump shots which account for 37% of all his FG attempts.

I'm sorry, but this guy's skill set on offense is what got him in the all star game.

Jamison is a slightly better version of Al Harrington. Lee is better, by a lot.

If we could lock him up at $9mm (6 years $70mm) we got a bargain.

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4/21/2010  7:07 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
Marv wrote:
martin wrote:
Marv wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
Marv wrote:
Loconixfan wrote:If the knicks dealt lee to NO for cp3 and ok4 would they still have enough cap to offer lebron a max contract? If so imagine this:

pg-cp3
sg-Chandler
sf-bron bron
pf-gallo
c-ok4

I would be extremely happy with that

no they would not.

You would have to include Curry to make that happen.

i refuse to part with him.

what's it with you and your attraction towards overly large men?

inside eddy is a smaller man crying for love.

I don't think anyone here wants to touch that

TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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4/21/2010  7:22 PM
Marv wrote:
Silverfuel wrote:
Marv wrote:inside eddy is a smaller man crying for love.

Professional opinion or are you joking?

joking. but am open to conjecture on the topic.

Inside Eddy is smaller man that he has eaten.

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4/21/2010  7:37 PM
loweyecue wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
Marv wrote:
martin wrote:
Marv wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
Marv wrote:
Loconixfan wrote:If the knicks dealt lee to NO for cp3 and ok4 would they still have enough cap to offer lebron a max contract? If so imagine this:

pg-cp3
sg-Chandler
sf-bron bron
pf-gallo
c-ok4

I would be extremely happy with that

no they would not.

You would have to include Curry to make that happen.

i refuse to part with him.

what's it with you and your attraction towards overly large men?

inside eddy is a smaller man crying for love.

I don't think anyone here wants to touch that

be careful with where you guys are heading with this.. Some people in here doesn't like the wild mango stuff

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4/21/2010  7:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/21/2010  7:51 PM
Lee and Jamison are similar in that their impressive numbers have never once been essential to a winning team.

Lee is a 15 and 9 or 10 player and a 3rd option on a winning team.

Jamison is dangerously close-to me anyway-to being Shareef Abdur Rahim 2.0.

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4/21/2010  8:23 PM
joec32033 wrote:Lee and Jamison are similar in that their impressive numbers have never once been essential to a winning team.

Lee is a 15 and 9 or 10 player and a 3rd option on a winning team.

Jamison is dangerously close-to me anyway-to being Shareef Abdur Rahim 2.0.

I agree. As the saying goes, someone has to score the points. If you have a team and there isn't a lot of frontline talent, if you have a guy that is good, but not great, he can put up really impressive numbers by virtue of the lack of any other competition on his team. We don't have any other real rebounders and Lee is a good one. In our offense he's the closest thing to a pivot that we have. He's involved in most of the plays and has the skill to take advantage of that. He's not however a guy that can just go and create for a team in a way that leads to wins. In a word he's not a force. Guys that have a net positive impact not only in regard to their own stats, but in how his teammates do as well. Players that do so much that they make the game easy for their teammates. Here's the thing in this FA class, only a couple of guys qualify for such a title. Lebron & Wade!!! It's not a knock against Lee, cuz I don't think Bosh or Amare are really that much better either. None of them are on that Duncan level.

We can't replace Lee with anyone that is on the elite level. If we go after a guy like OK4 it's to help from a team perspective. Bosh and Amare would have to be looked at in the same way. I just think OK4 is more rugged than any of them and would be a better C.
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4/21/2010  8:47 PM
martin wrote:
Loconixfan wrote:
DurzoBlint wrote:Okafor does not lack intensity, he's sort of like Amare. Take away his point guard and he doesn't look nearly as good. Hell, CP made Tyson Chandler look decent so, that should tell you something.

The guy blocked more shots in 1games last season then all of the Knick players combined for the whole season (yeah I'm exaggerating but, not by far). We need a guy like that.

He's not overpaid; its the length of his contract that bothers people.

I find it funny that ok4's 5 yr contract ends when he's gonna be about 32 and people think it's too long, isn't camby 34? They're similar players.

marcus just turned 36 and dont you think they are completely different players?

I'm not extremely familiar with ok4 but at this point in camby's career you're getting essentially the same thing from both which is defense and rebounding. However, I'll admit camby probably does both better.

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4/22/2010  7:49 AM
joec32033 wrote:Lee and Jamison are similar in that their impressive numbers have never once been essential to a winning team.

Lee is a 15 and 9 or 10 player and a 3rd option on a winning team.

Jamison is dangerously close-to me anyway-to being Shareef Abdur Rahim 2.0.

really? Last I checked Lee was a 20/12 player


YR TM G GS MIN FG FG% 3P 3P% FT FT% STL BLK TO PF OFF DEF TOT AST PTS 
07-08 NYK 81 29 29.1 4.2-7.6 .552 0.0-0.0 .000 2.4-2.9 .819 0.70 0.40 1.2 2.6 3.0 6.0 9.0 1.2 10.8 
08-09 NYK 81 74 34.9 6.4-11.7 .549 0.0-0.0 .000 3.1-4.1 .755 1.00 0.30 1.9 3.2 3.2 8.6 11.8 2.1 16.0 
09-10 NYK 81 81 37.3 8.5-15.5 .545 0.0-0.1 .000 3.3-4.1 .812 1.00 0.50 2.3 3.2 2.8 8.9 11.7 3.6 20.2
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4/22/2010  7:51 AM
If this isnt a natural progression of a player I dont know what is. His assists, points and minutes went up year after year while his fantastic FG% remains consistant. A 20ppg scorer who shoots 55% and people around here want to dump him. I really dont get this board sometimes
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4/22/2010  8:21 AM
fishmike wrote:
joec32033 wrote:Lee and Jamison are similar in that their impressive numbers have never once been essential to a winning team.

Lee is a 15 and 9 or 10 player and a 3rd option on a winning team.

Jamison is dangerously close-to me anyway-to being Shareef Abdur Rahim 2.0.

really? Last I checked Lee was a 20/12 player


YR TM G GS MIN FG FG% 3P 3P% FT FT% STL BLK TO PF OFF DEF TOT AST PTS 
07-08 NYK 81 29 29.1 4.2-7.6 .552 0.0-0.0 .000 2.4-2.9 .819 0.70 0.40 1.2 2.6 3.0 6.0 9.0 1.2 10.8 
08-09 NYK 81 74 34.9 6.4-11.7 .549 0.0-0.0 .000 3.1-4.1 .755 1.00 0.30 1.9 3.2 3.2 8.6 11.8 2.1 16.0 
09-10 NYK 81 81 37.3 8.5-15.5 .545 0.0-0.1 .000 3.3-4.1 .812 1.00 0.50 2.3 3.2 2.8 8.9 11.7 3.6 20.2

I'm fairly certain joec was saying Lee is a 15 and 10 player and a thrid option on a winning team

so you forgot to put the team's winning percentages in those three season

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4/22/2010  9:04 AM
fishmike wrote:If this isnt a natural progression of a player I dont know what is. His assists, points and minutes went up year after year while his fantastic FG% remains consistant. A 20ppg scorer who shoots 55% and people around here want to dump him. I really dont get this board sometimes

20 ppg on 55% who is also the worst defensive big in the entire league. That's why.
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