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4/21/2010  12:24 PM
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NYKBocker wrote:What I still don't get is why playa keeps calling Gallo a community pick. Dolan is italian? The majority of NY fans are italians? Gallo is a player and what we have seen so far is worth the spot he was picked at.

I agree that he was a community pick, but he's also proving his worth so I think they're both right.

This post backs up my belief 100% why those choose not to digest it is the issue.


The knicks fan base was so disgusted with Isiah Thomas and his embarrassment to the franchise that to save face they had to go in the opposite direction Isiah did with his bogus trades. He consistently traded for what some in the NY Community would call hood rats (Marbury - Curry) free agents Jamison Brewer etc. NY fans were crying out loud and wanted it's basketball legacy(THE MECCA) to be re-born re-planted in the roots of it's history. So they hire Mike Dantoni instead of a No-nonsense coach in Avery Johnson(who stressed defense that's a knick trademark) or even a novice but knowledgable ex knick and local guy in Mark Jackson (who was rounding up his coaching staff) before they hired Danphoney.

Next move was the draft, how can we show the fan base that we are going in a different direction from zeke the freak, lets draft that talented kid from Europe (Italy) that would make even Lou Carnessecca even proud.

#6 OVERALL was a little steep to me and here is my reasons why.

His strengths coming in were Perimeter Shooting (3 pt) range and beyond, so anything else he did was magnified by the fan base(dunk the ball, at 6"10 being able to blk a few shots and get a few steals) and those who were excited upon his arrival. MDA even went on record to say he way the best shooter he has ever seen.

Because the team had no real shooters in past history outside of allan houston and trent tucker, this would justify the pick in the management's eyes.

Gallup at 6"10 showed that his head isn't always in the game and he didn't seem interested at times and many called him out for it... even his head coach at the end of the yr.

So by going with a talented SHOOTER at #6 overall that the head coach was familiar with , being a roommate of his dad and speaking his native language and playing with him while in europe really was a no brainer.

The Italian community was overjoyed, many could be heard saying (ABOUT TIME) at the local bars and at the dinner table . The white fan base was saying why not give him a chance , Isiah gave many of his boys a chance that didn't earn it ! AND THEN WE HAVE TKF take. LOL

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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4/21/2010  12:34 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/21/2010  12:37 PM
playa i can't speak for the knick fan base but i can speak for myself and a hell of a lot of guys on this board when i tell you you’re dead wrong. almost all of us were thrilled when isiah arrived, were thrilled when we scored marbury, crawford, drafted ariza, nate, lee etc. a bunch of us, especially me, hated the curry trade because the guy was a BUM player at chicago.

whether you believe it or not the "hood rat” business is of less than zero consequence to everyone i know on this board. and i question whether it's such a big deal to the fan base outside of this board. what we want for the love of god is a winning phukking basketball team, however and by whomever it’s delivered. gallo's a mixed blessing at this point but at least he appears to be heading in the right direction. d'antoni is at best a mixed blessing. but seriously i think your read on the situation is off.

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4/21/2010  12:37 PM
am i understanding this correctly? Playa thinks Donnie woke up one morning after 20+ years as a dedicate and shrewd basketball mind and decided he was gonna be a little bit racist and a pushover and goes with Gallo?
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4/21/2010  12:42 PM
martin wrote:am i understanding this correctly? Playa thinks Donnie woke up one morning after 20+ years as a dedicate and shrewd basketball mind and decided he was gonna be a little bit racist and a pushover and goes with Gallo?

yes you are understanding it correctly

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4/21/2010  4:06 PM
martin wrote:am i understanding this correctly? Playa thinks Donnie woke up one morning after 20+ years as a dedicate and shrewd basketball mind and decided he was gonna be a little bit racist and a pushover and goes with Gallo?

Martin don't say that. I heard the Lou Carnasecca interview in which he had a conversation with Donnie Wash about restoring ny basketball back to respectability on and off the court. Walsh isn't a bad guy and not a racist, it was just time to go in a another direction. This is why Brandon Jennings was left on the table and J.Hill was chosen. TWO DIFFERENT CHARACTERS. One from COMPTON and the other laid back and quiet from ATL.

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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4/21/2010  4:22 PM
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martin wrote:am i understanding this correctly? Playa thinks Donnie woke up one morning after 20+ years as a dedicate and shrewd basketball mind and decided he was gonna be a little bit racist and a pushover and goes with Gallo?

Martin don't say that. I heard the Lou Carnasecca interview in which he had a conversation with Donnie Wash about restoring ny basketball back to respectability on and off the court. Walsh isn't a bad guy and not a racist, it was just time to go in a another direction. This is why Brandon Jennings was left on the table and J.Hill was chosen. TWO DIFFERENT CHARACTERS. One from COMPTON and the other laid back and quiet from ATL.

I do not want Brandon Jennings on my team.

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4/21/2010  4:25 PM
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martin wrote:am i understanding this correctly? Playa thinks Donnie woke up one morning after 20+ years as a dedicate and shrewd basketball mind and decided he was gonna be a little bit racist and a pushover and goes with Gallo?

Martin don't say that. I heard the Lou Carnasecca interview in which he had a conversation with Donnie Wash about restoring ny basketball back to respectability on and off the court. Walsh isn't a bad guy and not a racist, it was just time to go in a another direction. This is why Brandon Jennings was left on the table and J.Hill was chosen. TWO DIFFERENT CHARACTERS. One from COMPTON and the other laid back and quiet from ATL.

This has nothing to do with attitude or anything else. This was a classic example of poor scouting. Jordan Hill played 3 yrs of college ball and was a big. Jordan Hill is a classic example of making the "safe" pick due to poor scouting.

Jennings slipped because teams didnt get to see enough of him in Europe(once again poor scouting). Every PG taken before him played in the NCAA for at least 2 yrs(no I dont consider Evans a PG). If Jennings went to Arizona he would have like been picked right after Evans.

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4/21/2010  5:05 PM
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playa2 wrote:
martin wrote:am i understanding this correctly? Playa thinks Donnie woke up one morning after 20+ years as a dedicate and shrewd basketball mind and decided he was gonna be a little bit racist and a pushover and goes with Gallo?

Martin don't say that. I heard the Lou Carnasecca interview in which he had a conversation with Donnie Wash about restoring ny basketball back to respectability on and off the court. Walsh isn't a bad guy and not a racist, it was just time to go in a another direction. This is why Brandon Jennings was left on the table and J.Hill was chosen. TWO DIFFERENT CHARACTERS. One from COMPTON and the other laid back and quiet from ATL.

I do not want Brandon Jennings on my team.


I'm not sure what's the big rant of this kid, his struggles have been well documented, the kidd is a volume shooter, and streaky as hell.

I think the only reason he gets so much attention around here is because we had chris duhon.

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4/21/2010  5:15 PM
playa2 wrote:So by going with a talented SHOOTER at #6 overall that the head coach was familiar with , being a roommate of his dad and speaking his native language and playing with him while in europe really was a no brainer.

The Italian community was overjoyed, many could be heard saying (ABOUT TIME) at the local bars and at the dinner table . The white fan base was saying why not give him a chance , Isiah gave many of his boys a chance that didn't earn it ! AND THEN WE HAVE TKF take. LOL

So maybe you can respond to an unanswered question which I should have directed to you...

So Brook Lopez, Kevin Love (if he had been available and chosen by us), or Joe Alexander (thank the gods we did not end up with him)- the non-Euro white players- would have been "community" picks and caused Walsh/MDA to be scrutinized in the same way as they were for picking Gallinari? And Lopez, Love, or Alexander would have been subjected to the same animosity that Gallinari faced from some around here?

Would you have been throwing out the same "community pick" foolishness if one of the other "white" players had been taken by by the Knicks?

I'm pretty sure the Knicks wanted Westbrook (unless they thought Mayo might drop to them)in the draft- a female reporter on draft night just as much confirmed this when she reported that "the Knicks have found their point guard," after speaking to someone from our draft squad. I also think they would have taken Gordon if he had been 6'5," and not 6'2." Of course maybe Gordon was not chosen because of the "community" he is part of- but then how does our attempt to trade one of our light skin players- D. Lee- to Memphis for their # 5 (pretty sure this offer was legit, from what I can remember) fit in with the "community pick" hypothesis. Kind of complicates things...No?

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playa2 wrote:
martin wrote:am i understanding this correctly? Playa thinks Donnie woke up one morning after 20+ years as a dedicate and shrewd basketball mind and decided he was gonna be a little bit racist and a pushover and goes with Gallo?

Martin don't say that. I heard the Lou Carnasecca interview in which he had a conversation with Donnie Wash about restoring ny basketball back to respectability on and off the court. Walsh isn't a bad guy and not a racist, it was just time to go in a another direction. This is why Brandon Jennings was left on the table and J.Hill was chosen. TWO DIFFERENT CHARACTERS. One from COMPTON and the other laid back and quiet from ATL.

I do not want Brandon Jennings on my team.


I'm not sure what's the big rant of this kid, his struggles have been well documented, the kidd is a volume shooter, and streaky as hell.

I think the only reason he gets so much attention around here is because we had chris duhon.

Bucks' Jennings making a habit of proving people wrong

Posted Apr 20 2010 4:49PM
Let me guess: You thought Kevin Durant was going to be the cat that had the breakout playoff debut over the weekend, right? Me, too. My second guess was his teammate, Russell Westbrook, playing against the Lakers' phantom point guard defense. I was not exactly "expecting" Brandon Jennings to roar into the postseason -- missing Andrew Bogut, his best teammate and pick-and-roll partner -- and go 14-for-25 (including 4-of-6 from three) for 34 points. As a 20-year-old rookie, he was often the best player on the court. And, as is becoming his habit, he kinda slapped us all in the face with his play and said, "Stop sleeping on me."

Jennings is starting to make a career of both proving folks wrong and defying expectations. He shot less than 37 percent from the field in his eight games in April, continuing a string of poor-shooting months. So, a lot of us expected the same in his playoff debut. Why would a youngster that has been mired in a long shooting slump, fighting off first-time playoff jitters, swagger his long limbs into Phillips Arena and show out like he did? Don't give me the "everyone gets off against Mike Bibby" rhetoric. Jennings was just 8-for-23 against the Hawks five days prior and scored a measly two and three points in two games against the Hawks before that.

In retrospect, I should have known. Jennings just has that against-the-odds flair for the dramatic. Again, it's becoming a hallmark.

Take a quick look at his career arc. First he steps onto the national scene in the 2008 McDonald's All American game rockin' a gumby and flashing a game so entertaining and sophisticated that it was clear he was on another level than his peers. Then, instead of doing the "one and done" thing on a college campus, he goes to Italy to play pro ball for a year. Of course that brought out the judges, critics, skeptics and haters in full force. When he didn't automatically go overseas and win a starting gig and average 20 and 10, some knuckleheads were ready to call the kid a bust and his decision a fiasco. He might not even get drafted in the first round, let alone the lottery, right? Wrong. John Hammond and the Bucks scooped him up with the 10th pick. In hindsight, that was anywhere between seven to 10 picks too late.

Then we all ignored his potential to make a significant impact in his rookie season, predicted he'd struggle to even get significant minutes. So BJ came out the gate and hit us with a 22 and 6 November that included a 55-point epic against Golden State that us NBA League Pass subscribers will cherish forever.

But then came the shooting woes. Some nights, the cat couldn't throw the rock into Lake Michigan. I'm talkin' 1-for-8, 1-for-9 and 1-for-13 kind of nights.
So what did he do? He didn't act out and become a behavioral problem or go into an emotional funk you might expect from the typical fragile psyches of young players. He put his head down and focused on running the squad, ended up playing more than solid for a playoff team, while his draftmates Stephen Curry and Tyreke Evans ran wild in the cellar.

Coming into this series against Atlanta, there was a thinking among many that the Hawks were going to run the Bogut-less Bucks out of the gym. And that looked to be the case at the half, with Atlanta up 22. Then Jennings dropped 12 points in the third quarter to bring the Bucks within 11 at the start the fourth. It was a game. He put the Bucks on his scrawny shoulders.

"I just feel like without having Andrew Bogut," said Jennings after the game, "I had to go back to the way the way I was early in the season being more aggressive trying to score. That's the only way we'll have a chance to win. Me, John (Salmons) and a couple of other guys are going to have to try and take the scoring load for us."
Prior to Game 1, Bucks coach Scott Skiles said he talked to Jennings "about setting a tone and staying aggressive." What's most impressive, however, is that, as a rook in his first playoff game, Jennings was, in many ways, "the most composed player in the game," according to Skiles.
Who knows what his encore will be. If we want to just ignore Jennings' penchant for proving us wrong, we can expect for him to come out and shoot horribly and help Milwaukee get bludgeoned before the head home. I mean, that could definitely happen.
But I, for one, am done underestimating the dude.

Source: http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/vince_thomas/04/20/jennings/index.html

Jennings is a rookie guard who started 82 games while averaging 33 minutes. No on expects him to be a superstar but he is definitely a solid piece/asset to a rebuilding team.

Do you expect a rookie who was never billed as a shooter to come in and have a consistent? He has consistently put up assists and ran his team like a PG should. Him developing a sweet jump shot is icing on the cake.

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4/21/2010  5:44 PM
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knicks1248 wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
playa2 wrote:
martin wrote:am i understanding this correctly? Playa thinks Donnie woke up one morning after 20+ years as a dedicate and shrewd basketball mind and decided he was gonna be a little bit racist and a pushover and goes with Gallo?

Martin don't say that. I heard the Lou Carnasecca interview in which he had a conversation with Donnie Wash about restoring ny basketball back to respectability on and off the court. Walsh isn't a bad guy and not a racist, it was just time to go in a another direction. This is why Brandon Jennings was left on the table and J.Hill was chosen. TWO DIFFERENT CHARACTERS. One from COMPTON and the other laid back and quiet from ATL.

I do not want Brandon Jennings on my team.


I'm not sure what's the big rant of this kid, his struggles have been well documented, the kidd is a volume shooter, and streaky as hell.

I think the only reason he gets so much attention around here is because we had chris duhon.

Bucks' Jennings making a habit of proving people wrong

Posted Apr 20 2010 4:49PM
Let me guess: You thought Kevin Durant was going to be the cat that had the breakout playoff debut over the weekend, right? Me, too. My second guess was his teammate, Russell Westbrook, playing against the Lakers' phantom point guard defense. I was not exactly "expecting" Brandon Jennings to roar into the postseason -- missing Andrew Bogut, his best teammate and pick-and-roll partner -- and go 14-for-25 (including 4-of-6 from three) for 34 points. As a 20-year-old rookie, he was often the best player on the court. And, as is becoming his habit, he kinda slapped us all in the face with his play and said, "Stop sleeping on me."

Jennings is starting to make a career of both proving folks wrong and defying expectations. He shot less than 37 percent from the field in his eight games in April, continuing a string of poor-shooting months. So, a lot of us expected the same in his playoff debut. Why would a youngster that has been mired in a long shooting slump, fighting off first-time playoff jitters, swagger his long limbs into Phillips Arena and show out like he did? Don't give me the "everyone gets off against Mike Bibby" rhetoric. Jennings was just 8-for-23 against the Hawks five days prior and scored a measly two and three points in two games against the Hawks before that.

In retrospect, I should have known. Jennings just has that against-the-odds flair for the dramatic. Again, it's becoming a hallmark.

Take a quick look at his career arc. First he steps onto the national scene in the 2008 McDonald's All American game rockin' a gumby and flashing a game so entertaining and sophisticated that it was clear he was on another level than his peers. Then, instead of doing the "one and done" thing on a college campus, he goes to Italy to play pro ball for a year. Of course that brought out the judges, critics, skeptics and haters in full force. When he didn't automatically go overseas and win a starting gig and average 20 and 10, some knuckleheads were ready to call the kid a bust and his decision a fiasco. He might not even get drafted in the first round, let alone the lottery, right? Wrong. John Hammond and the Bucks scooped him up with the 10th pick. In hindsight, that was anywhere between seven to 10 picks too late.

Then we all ignored his potential to make a significant impact in his rookie season, predicted he'd struggle to even get significant minutes. So BJ came out the gate and hit us with a 22 and 6 November that included a 55-point epic against Golden State that us NBA League Pass subscribers will cherish forever.

But then came the shooting woes. Some nights, the cat couldn't throw the rock into Lake Michigan. I'm talkin' 1-for-8, 1-for-9 and 1-for-13 kind of nights.
So what did he do? He didn't act out and become a behavioral problem or go into an emotional funk you might expect from the typical fragile psyches of young players. He put his head down and focused on running the squad, ended up playing more than solid for a playoff team, while his draftmates Stephen Curry and Tyreke Evans ran wild in the cellar.

Coming into this series against Atlanta, there was a thinking among many that the Hawks were going to run the Bogut-less Bucks out of the gym. And that looked to be the case at the half, with Atlanta up 22. Then Jennings dropped 12 points in the third quarter to bring the Bucks within 11 at the start the fourth. It was a game. He put the Bucks on his scrawny shoulders.

"I just feel like without having Andrew Bogut," said Jennings after the game, "I had to go back to the way the way I was early in the season being more aggressive trying to score. That's the only way we'll have a chance to win. Me, John (Salmons) and a couple of other guys are going to have to try and take the scoring load for us."
Prior to Game 1, Bucks coach Scott Skiles said he talked to Jennings "about setting a tone and staying aggressive." What's most impressive, however, is that, as a rook in his first playoff game, Jennings was, in many ways, "the most composed player in the game," according to Skiles.
Who knows what his encore will be. If we want to just ignore Jennings' penchant for proving us wrong, we can expect for him to come out and shoot horribly and help Milwaukee get bludgeoned before the head home. I mean, that could definitely happen.
But I, for one, am done underestimating the dude.

Source: http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/vince_thomas/04/20/jennings/index.html

Jennings is a rookie guard who started 82 games while averaging 33 minutes. No on expects him to be a superstar but he is definitely a solid piece/asset to a rebuilding team.

Do you expect a rookie who was never billed as a shooter to come in and have a consistent? He has consistently put up assists and ran his team like a PG should. Him developing a sweet jump shot is icing on the cake.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=300420001


His next game was a complete disaster..3-15 shooting incliuding 1-6 from 3pt range and like 4 ast
Thats been the story with him all season long. It's almost like an entire different player out there...

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4/21/2010  5:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/21/2010  5:49 PM
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Allanfan20 wrote:
playa2 wrote:
martin wrote:am i understanding this correctly? Playa thinks Donnie woke up one morning after 20+ years as a dedicate and shrewd basketball mind and decided he was gonna be a little bit racist and a pushover and goes with Gallo?

Martin don't say that. I heard the Lou Carnasecca interview in which he had a conversation with Donnie Wash about restoring ny basketball back to respectability on and off the court. Walsh isn't a bad guy and not a racist, it was just time to go in a another direction. This is why Brandon Jennings was left on the table and J.Hill was chosen. TWO DIFFERENT CHARACTERS. One from COMPTON and the other laid back and quiet from ATL.

I do not want Brandon Jennings on my team.


I'm not sure what's the big rant of this kid, his struggles have been well documented, the kidd is a volume shooter, and streaky as hell.

I think the only reason he gets so much attention around here is because we had chris duhon.

LOL. Why do you cats have to go so hard on Jennings? I understand you're covering for your boys Walsh and D'ivatoni and all but, remember, Walsh felt so self-conscious about passing on Jennings that he tried to lay the blame on Isiah and his "scouts" --- which made me lose some respect for Walsh.

Why wouldnt you want a player that is setting scoring records and leading his team to the playoffs in his first year? Ya'll sound crazy. Just admit Walsh took an L. Its ok.

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Dude if you haven't relize that AB was more so responsible for there surge after the break, your kidding yourself. As soon as Redd went down (again) jennings step up, just like sessions did last year.
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4/21/2010  6:17 PM
I believe Walsh only made his gripes public to try and push Dolan to give him more of the scouts he wants. He wasn't allowed to bring in everyone he wanted and that whole episode sounds like a guy just trying to lobby for more freedom. I don't think either DW or MDA really wanted Jennings and I still don't think they love the guy. After Tyreke, Curry and Rubio I don't think they really loved any of the guys that much with our 1st pick.
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To say that we are implying that Walsh and co are racists is trying to over dramatize things.

MSG is a very corporate environment. Anybody that says that they are "color blind" or "race neutral" is a lie. So with the struggling Knicks being so closely tied to the likes of Isiah, Marbury, Curry, ext... it would be naive to think that there wouldnt be a certain stigma attached to that Knicks regmie. A stigma that it stands to reason Dolan and Co would want to change.

Race and being "urban" is an easy shorthand response and reasoning. Its life.

If you want to look at the D'Antoni hire, Gallo pick, and Hill pick ( I know he's black but they picked a "good" black instead of the right pick --- Jennings, who was easily marginalized as a head case because he was more "urban") as all coincidences, fine.

Point being is that it is P.R 101. The audience is primarily white, especially the ones buying tickets. Advertisers, sponsers, corporate types --- so its comforting to them to see the makeup of the team and managment more geared towards their sensibilities and hues. Even subconsiously. Especially when they feel like they gave a "black" a chance and he messed up.

This has happened again and again, over and over since integration and the civil rights bill. Not from an NBA standpoint, but life in general. I know some of ya'll dont see it, or its easy to overlook, but its reality.

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knicks1248 wrote:Dude if you haven't relize that AB was more so responsible for there surge after the break, your kidding yourself. As soon as Redd went down (again) jennings step up, just like sessions did last year.

Bogut wasn't doing shyt until Jennings arrived. Its coo, I mean you can keep trying to discredit Jennings. No worries, that's your business. coaches, players, scouts would all disagree with you, but you can keep putting your head in the sand and pretending.

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knicks1248 wrote:Dude if you haven't relize that AB was more so responsible for there surge after the break, your kidding yourself. As soon as Redd went down (again) jennings step up, just like sessions did last year.

Bogut wasn't doing shyt until Jennings arrived. Its coo, I mean you can keep trying to discredit Jennings. No worries, that's your business. coaches, players, scouts would all disagree with you, but you can keep putting your head in the sand and pretending.

Bogut put up the SAME stats he did this year two years ago. 2 years ago Milwaukee was firmly in lottery land.

Andre Miller was considered washed up but has been a key reason Portland made the playoffs. Good PG play helps teams win games. Just ask the Nuggets and Sixers.

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4/21/2010  6:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/21/2010  6:49 PM
sebstar wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Dude if you haven't relize that AB was more so responsible for there surge after the break, your kidding yourself. As soon as Redd went down (again) jennings step up, just like sessions did last year.

Bogut wasn't doing shyt until Jennings arrived. Its coo, I mean you can keep trying to discredit Jennings. No worries, that's your business. coaches, players, scouts would all disagree with you, but you can keep putting your head in the sand and pretending.

bogut has been consistent at 14+/10/1.5 or better and on an upswing minus the injuries last year and now his messed up arm. the js trade really helped that team out. they have a decent set of young dudes. no need for folks to claim bj (ha) or other young guys there are/arent good. id very much like to have bogut+jennings to build with.

edit: 22-8 after the js trade... 24-28 prior.

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4/21/2010  6:56 PM
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sebstar wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Dude if you haven't relize that AB was more so responsible for there surge after the break, your kidding yourself. As soon as Redd went down (again) jennings step up, just like sessions did last year.

Bogut wasn't doing shyt until Jennings arrived. Its coo, I mean you can keep trying to discredit Jennings. No worries, that's your business. coaches, players, scouts would all disagree with you, but you can keep putting your head in the sand and pretending.

Bogut put up the SAME stats he did this year two years ago. 2 years ago Milwaukee was firmly in lottery land.

Andre Miller was considered washed up but has been a key reason Portland made the playoffs. Good PG play helps teams win games. Just ask the Nuggets and Sixers.

mo williams was on the bucks during the sub 30 win seasons recently and wasnt playing that bad (stat wise, same as his "all star" time in cle). teams need parts to fit as well. redd+bogut+williams wasnt a good combo due to injuries and maybe just bad chemistry. hope the nyk's dont get into the stat trap and end up no better than what we are now.

GO TEAM VENTURE!!!!!
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4/21/2010  8:48 PM
playa2 wrote:
sebstar wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:What I still don't get is why playa keeps calling Gallo a community pick. Dolan is italian? The majority of NY fans are italians? Gallo is a player and what we have seen so far is worth the spot he was picked at.

I agree that he was a community pick, but he's also proving his worth so I think they're both right.

This post backs up my belief 100% why those choose not to digest it is the issue.


The knicks fan base was so disgusted with Isiah Thomas and his embarrassment to the franchise that to save face they had to go in the opposite direction Isiah did with his bogus trades. He consistently traded for what some in the NY Community would call hood rats (Marbury - Curry) free agents Jamison Brewer etc. NY fans were crying out loud and wanted it's basketball legacy(THE MECCA) to be re-born re-planted in the roots of it's history. So they hire Mike Dantoni instead of a No-nonsense coach in Avery Johnson(who stressed defense that's a knick trademark) or even a novice but knowledgable ex knick and local guy in Mark Jackson (who was rounding up his coaching staff) before they hired Danphoney.

Next move was the draft, how can we show the fan base that we are going in a different direction from zeke the freak, lets draft that talented kid from Europe (Italy) that would make even Lou Carnessecca even proud.

#6 OVERALL was a little steep to me and here is my reasons why.

His strengths coming in were Perimeter Shooting (3 pt) range and beyond, so anything else he did was magnified by the fan base(dunk the ball, at 6"10 being able to blk a few shots and get a few steals) and those who were excited upon his arrival. MDA even went on record to say he way the best shooter he has ever seen.
Because the team had no real shooters in past history outside of allan houston and trent tucker, this would justify the pick in the management's eyes.

Gallup at 6"10 showed that his head isn't always in the game and he didn't seem interested at times and many called him out for it... even his head coach at the end of the yr.

So by going with a talented SHOOTER at #6 overall that the head coach was familiar with , being a roommate of his dad and speaking his native language and playing with him while in europe really was a no brainer.

The Italian community was overjoyed, many could be heard saying (ABOUT TIME) at the local bars and at the dinner table . The white fan base was saying why not give him a chance , Isiah gave many of his boys a chance that didn't earn it ! AND THEN WE HAVE TKF take. LOL


playa, you don't know what you are talking about.. gallo was not really considered a great deep shooter. Not according to most draft reports, it is when he came to the NBA that most, including walsh and dantoni discovered he great range on the three and could hit that shot with consistency..


here is a write up from NBA draft, for what it is worth..

Long and crafty player who has a knack for scoring Has become a very consistent shooter and can light it up from deep He is able to make shots in a variety of ways: contested, off the dribble (both ways), stepbacks, fadeaways Put together an impressive season in one of the top European leagues and has shown that he can carry the load as the primary scorer Is very mature for his age, plays with great confidence and composure Has an awkward 2 step (he is able to alter his speed and change direction once he picks up his dribble) going to the basket, allowing him to get by people and finish around the basket Shows patience when making moves, getting his defender off balance with a variety of fakes and jabs Knows how to draw contact and sell the foul to the refs When a defender cuts off his angle to the basket, he has a very effective up & under that he utilizes even out to 15 feet Anticipates well and uses his length to disrupt the passing lanes Has developed a scorers mentality, but there are obvious glimpses where he shows a good feel for the game and ability to find open teammates

Gallup at 6"10 showed that his head isn't always in the game and he didn't seem interested at times and many called him out for it... even his head coach at the end of the yr.

every young player goes through this.. dude you are just reaching, again, no substance, just a bunch of BS...

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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