In ref to the draft, they went with what they thought was the best guy for the team that was left on their board. They didn't have Jennings that high and we know who they really wanted instead. DW said he weighed the situation and moving Hill was worth it. All this stuff about MDA mismanaging Hill is conjecture. From the improvement he's shown he was working with the staff on his game as he should. All of this is water under the bridge cuz we're going with the cap space.

nixluva wrote:TMS you seem to be suggesting this was your typical rebuild where u sit vets and just play the kids regardless of outcome. Since when was that the case? They were actually trying to make the playoffs.

riiiight... that's why we played Bender... u kill me dude... seriously.

Pharzeone wrote:This is what kills me about the whole debate. You have MDA supporters screaming hey it wasn't about being competitive, it's all about the summer of 2010 and when asked why weren't younger guys given more playing time then they quickly say well you can't do that because MDA was trying to make the playoffs. So which is it and how is MDA absolve of the season?

indeed.

if it makes folks happy, mike and the FO wont be fired any time soon. and as i know i have stated and others (the night of the tmac trade even): if all these moves net lbj/wade and some other good parts, no one will care about hill/douglas or any guy they may need to unload to get them. most folks i sure hope dont regret jc/zro trades, cutting marbs, etc. nothing lost there in my view.

the fear is basic... we have seen moves with picks attached that failed, bad signings, missed picks and with that track record, it makes at least me nervous. the sense they could miss out and have to resort to doing what hasnt worked so well isnt instilling hope (draft, talent eval, FAs, trades). i am hoping for the best as is anyone. i just think its fair to say the have made mistakes that i hope they dont compound/expand or regret.

Pharzeone wrote:This is what kills me about the whole debate. You have MDA supporters screaming hey it wasn't about being competitive, it's all about the summer of 2010 and when asked why weren't younger guys given more playing time then they quickly say well you can't do that because MDA was trying to make the playoffs. So which is it and how is MDA absolve of the season?

I don't disbelieve you, but I'd love to see an example of a guy who said both those things. That's pretty funny.

knicks1248 wrote:

TMS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

TMS wrote:

nixluva wrote:TMS you seem to be suggesting this was your typical rebuild where u sit vets and just play the kids regardless of outcome. Since when was that the case? They were actually trying to make the playoffs.

riiiight... that's why we played Bender... u kill me dude... seriously.

I would like to know who who's minutes would you have shed to play hill, and why?

i think that's pretty obvious whose minutes i would have shed to play Hill... i've been talking about it throughout these discussions... it made no sense to play Bender & Jeffries all those minutes while leaving your #8 lottery pick on the bench in a rebuilding season... don't give me this stuff about how we were trying to compete for the playoffs, even the most optimistic of fans knew this team wouldn't be competitive this year... & if you're going to use that weak excuse then what business did Bender have being in the rotation at all? how the hell was he going to help us get to the playoffs when he could barely run the court from end to end without his knees giving out? u telling me the extra 10 minutes per game couldn't have been allocated to Jordan Hill instead w/o negatively effecting our "playoff push"? you guys are seriously killing me now... really.

Bender got like a 10 game stretch in which he was part of the rotation then was planted back on the bench, plus they were trying to get a good look at him to see if there would be any future for him, JJ was playing very well defensively on a team that had no other defenders. Hill did do anything better then those guy's, weather in practice, and you should know that rookies have to Wow!! a coach before he see's consistant minutes. You can not be a rookie and play Avg (or in hills case) below avg and think thats gonna cut it. not when you have a bunch of vets in the final year of there contract.

When MDA stated he doesn't play bad rookies, it wasn't so much that he was a bad player, it was more like he wasn't better then anybody eles.

why should this matter? its a business move to plan for the future by seeing what may have been with td/hill early in a lost season. the knicks arent good enough to be doing favors to scrub vets at the expense of evaluating roster spots for 2010.

nixluva wrote:

Pharzeone wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:

Pharzeone wrote:This is what kills me about the whole debate. You have MDA supporters screaming hey it wasn't about being competitive, it's all about the summer of 2010 and when asked why weren't younger guys given more playing time then they quickly say well you can't do that because MDA was trying to make the playoffs. So which is it and how is MDA absolve of the season?

I don't disbelieve you, but I'd love to see an example of a guy who said both those things. That's pretty funny.

No way. I'm not going to call out Nix.

Ha ha very funny. Now you Know I never said anything about the team not being competitive this year! You can bash me for thinking this team could win 40 games but don't lie and say I said this year wasn't about trying to remain cdmpetitive until they were out of the playoff race. I haven't flip flopped on that issue. But more to the point the last two years the primary goal was "Get under the cap" and second to that was try to be competitive and make the playoffs.

You know how I like to have fun with your unbridled optimism.

But you spoke on it. MDA was trying to make the playoffs which was why you and others defended not playing the rookies so player development could not take place on the court. I just don't get how you guys are able to flip it when MDA was unsuccessful by a significant margin and say this was a loss year anyway because it was about making trades for the summer of 2010. The Knicks were out of it before the trade went down and it wasn't really close. MDA had to fail at one or the other. No?

BTW, 40+ games could get you in the playoffs in the east.

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iSergio wrote:Can one of you Mike D'Antoni fans please explain this crap with Danilo Gallinari guarding the opposing PG's? It's so dumb!!

apparently that was 4th on his list of priorities

1. Clear Cap 2. Try to be competitive vie for a playoff spot 3. Develop young talent. 4. Have Gallo guarding opposing PG's.

Galo is put to guard PGs because we do not have any guard to do this.
A lot of words were wasted on Douglas being great defender and he is getting burned by any good PG every day.
All our other guards are so bad in defense and for this matter in anything that it is not even funny.
You have team with 4 NBA level players Lee, Galo, Chan, and Al; and the last one has one track brain. And you want some magical worker coach make these sore teams win.
You also want some magical worker GM to build the team in no time from pile of crap.
Delusional as it gets.