knicks1248 wrote:

TMS wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:

fishmike wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:No one pretends Jennings is perfect but comparing Jennings to Douglas is like comparing Blake Griffin to Dejuan Blair.

thats not fair. Was Jennings universally regarded as a franchise player? I dont think so.

Jennings is the far more talented player but it doesnt mean he's better or going to be better.

I think the title thread is knee jerk and designed to get people's attention and thats 100% ok.

I will say that as a defender Douglas is better now and has a higher ceiling. He's stronger, has a longer wingspan and was the quickest player in the draft. We will know in 4 years for sure.

I think the gist is Douglas is pretty good and at the very worst will be a solid rotation guy. Pretty solid grab for a last first rounder picked up for cash only

Jennings isnt a Franchise player.

Douglas was drafted late because his PG skills are non-existent and he is already 24. Douglas is basically a young Mike James. Now I know some dont want to hear that but a young Mike James on a rookie deal is great value for where he was drafted.

if TD turns into Mike James at his peak, i'd be happy with that... the dude was a big shot maker down the stretch of games & a serious threat to score on the perimeter... very reminiscent of Tim Hardaway in many respects... dude was a 20 & 6 player at one point... i happen to think TD plays defense at a higher level than James ever did, so overall i think he'll be more, but u could do a lot worse than Mike James with a #29 pick in the draft.

What mike James are you talking about, the one i recalled is an inconsistant scorer, who never could sustain a high level of play.

IF TD turns into Billups I'd be okay with that.

i said "if he turns into Mike James at his peak", read my post again... dude was a 20 & 6 player in Toronto & shot 47% from the floor, including 44% from 3 pt range... i distinctly remember him laying down some daggers in games we played against him over the years also... this guy could really play back when he was in top form:

tkf wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Cosmic wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Lets not jump to conclusions now folks but Douglas has come back to reality.

How so?

He's playing against the league's elite the past three games so of course he's going to look shaky. He's been given big minutes (about 32 a night now after only doing about 12-15 a night earlier in the year) and you've got to believe he's hitting a bit of the proverbial "rookie wall" as a result. Maybe he's even a bit nicked up and we just don't know it.

Toney Douglas was a great pick and has proven that he may be a very good player for us.

To watch you cherry pick his last two games and gleefully bash Douglas shows you have an agenda.

Sounds like your making excuses for him instead of just facing the fact that he's just not ready

he got outplayed by one of the elite PGs in the league last night. Does anyone here have a problem with that? He's a good player and he's tough and he's a guy thats going to look at tape of every possesion and figure out what he could do better to defend him next time.

Getting smoked by Deron Williams doesnt sway my opinion that Douglas is a good player and a keeper.

This is why people say you cant rebuild in NY. Knick fans are incapable of watching players grow and go through growing pains. Its "he's the best" and then "no.. actually he sucks" followed by "he's the best again" followed by "at least he's a rotation guy" then "lets trade him..." you get the idea.

The only guy we have drafted and actually watched mature into a solid all star caliber player since Ewing? Yea.. Lee. And half the people here want to run him out of town for Bosh who's been ineffective since he tore his labia

I'll tell you why most knick fans flip flop, we have these young players who play good for a few games show real promise for a week or 2, then turn into pure garbage for longer stretches. Gallo is a perfect exmaple of that. Now if you take a look at some of the more consistant rookies "Like Jenneings/Collison, , they may have 2 bad games out of 6 our rookies are just the opposite your probably going to think, well they were getting consistant minutes, well there,s no way MDA is going to continue with a struggling DUHON and a eratic sergio, while he has a much better pg in TONEY sitting there, it's completey naive to even think that.

Douglas has not played consistant, and at this point he's looking like every other PG we have had, good one minute horrible the next

I bet we can go through game logs for most of these young players and find that.. I am looking at jennings game logs now and I can point to several stretches where he had 4 stinkers and 2 good games. And a good game, I am not talking about him taking 22 shots and getting 17 points and calling that good..

Thats the worst way to judge a players value, by just looking at his stats. I have league pass so I see where GJ would make a pass that led to another pass for an easy hoop ect.

He also doesn't make bad decsion down the stretch of tight games, granteed TD has had some impressive clutch performences down the stretch of a few games.

ESPN had a nice little INTERVIEW with Billups early in the season, and he explain what it took to become the player he is today, and for the most part it was him having the right TEAM MATES, The right coach's, he was big on saoking up info, considering he bounce around the league quite a bit in his first few seasons and by the time he joined Detriot he had the right supporting cast of VETs and hell of a coach in Larry B.

I blame a lot of our inconsistancy on our Looser veteren players,these guys have really done a lousy job at teaching guys like Gallo and Chandler the right way to play.

I ever mention to you guys I like Billups game?