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WindsorPl
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3/13/2010  2:06 AM
TMS wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
kam77 wrote:
Travla wrote:If Knicks would stop spotting teams to 20 points leads, they might have 10 to 12 more victories.

And when you add those 20 pts to the Knicks score they'd be 61-5


I am getting tired of D'Antoni saying his team didn't compete. Tonight his remedy for that was to play Toney Douglas who in his words always competes. WTF? This guy has been on this team all year. The team came out of training camp not competing. Was Duhon competing? I hope Walsh is paying attention to the spin D'Antoni is putting on things. This guy still has lost the team. I even saw Chandler dismiss him tonight in the fourth.

for real, the crap this guy spews after every game is maddening... he finally decides to play young hungry kids like TD & Walker & they single handedly spur a crazy comeback to almost get the W after we go down by 29... why TD hasn't been seeing 20+ a night since the beginning of the season is completely unjustifiable... this is the same kid that scored 20+ in his first NBA start & he mysteriously finds his way back on the bench in favor of MDA's pets Duhon & Eddie House in succession... then MDA's got the moolians to come out with his "we're just trying to develop the young guys" bullsheit after he managed to completely devalue our #8 lottery pick by not playing him all year.

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3/13/2010  7:24 AM
I'm glad I stopped watching at halftime.. Reading up on the Mike D comments, it sounds like he didn't take responsibility once again?
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3/13/2010  8:47 AM
skeng wrote:I'm glad I stopped watching at halftime.. Reading up on the Mike D comments, it sounds like he didn't take responsibility once again?

he laid it at the feet of the players as per usual... no accountability for failing to motivate his guys to play hard or for failing to see that guys who DO play hard on a regular basis like TD should have been playing from the very beginning.

the only positive i drew from his post game comments was when a reporter asked him if changes could be coming in the rotation after this game, he left that possibility open... not that something he says means much.

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3/13/2010  12:07 PM
I am not really supporting MDA anymore, which is hard to get me to stop doing b/c the last person I normally blame is the coach. However, I still fail to see how the coach should motivate the players in the NBA. The players, who are making millions, should have the ability and love for the game, not to mention financial motives to motivate themselves. That's a players problem and that's Walsh's fault for bringing in those players. For that matter, these guys are fighting for contracts. That alone should be motivation. Not one of these guys is having a typical contract ending season, except Al. He's playing how he's always played, so good for him. And there's no way TMac would even be here if it weren't for MF surgery.

However, I am no longer agreeing with MDAs coaching philosophy nor do I like his lack of accountability. He has good players, and he has not been able to get them to mesh one bit. For an offensive coaching genius, and someone who says he can coach defense just as well, man oh man. The guy just isn't going to last that long.

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3/13/2010  12:13 PM
D'Antoni is doing a bad job of coaching effort.
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3/13/2010  4:07 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:I am not really supporting MDA anymore, which is hard to get me to stop doing b/c the last person I normally blame is the coach. However, I still fail to see how the coach should motivate the players in the NBA. The players, who are making millions, should have the ability and love for the game, not to mention financial motives to motivate themselves. That's a players problem and that's Walsh's fault for bringing in those players. For that matter, these guys are fighting for contracts. That alone should be motivation. Not one of these guys is having a typical contract ending season, except Al. He's playing how he's always played, so good for him. And there's no way TMac would even be here if it weren't for MF surgery.

However, I am no longer agreeing with MDAs coaching philosophy nor do I like his lack of accountability. He has good players, and he has not been able to get them to mesh one bit. For an offensive coaching genius, and someone who says he can coach defense just as well, man oh man. The guy just isn't going to last that long.

i agree w/u in principle, but we all know in the real world people are flawed & they lose interest when faced with constant disappointments & failure... a supervisor or manager of any company is held with the charge of motivating effort & keeping up morale in their departments, i don't care what company you work for... companies don't simply fire every employee at will that doesn't show initiative, they first try & work w/those employees to get them to be more productive... it's an expensive & time consuming process to hire & fire employees & high turnover is not desirable to have to build any sort of team unity in any workforce... i just would like for the guy in charge of handling these players to feel a sense of failure on his own part for not getting his guys to perform at their highest level & be accountable rather than laying it at the feet of the players everytime something bad happens with this team during games... i'm not exactly happy to be taking digs at MDA's coaching style, but i gotta call it like i see it... i gave this guy the total benefit of the doubt & was as optimistic as anyone when he first took this job... i thought the days of petty bullsheit was over & we would just be focused on winning from there on out... based on what i've seen since he's been here, i was wrong.

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3/14/2010  9:51 AM
I'm not disagreeing with you, but you got to remember, while I definitely compare sports to real life scenarios constantly, like how you just did, the manager of an office or whatnot is kind of a different scenario. How should MDA motivate? By giving a motivating speach? Telling the guys there will be a naked girl in their beds if they let the opponent score under 100? Or do you do something more methodical like punish the guys for not playing defense or f'ing around, like he did with Nate.

Also, as I thought would happen, the defense overwhelmingly collapsed after losing Jefferies. I know you don't like the guy, but D'Antoni relied on him heavily for that reason.

To me, it seems like no matter what, there's no way to motivate these guys to play defense because it's just not something they do.

To me, that's more of a Walsh problem. If you can't get guys who can play defense, then we should be looking at Walsh. He's bringing in the wrong players.

What I DO criticize D'Antoni for is this. If his guys don't play defense, and he knows it's a problem, why don't you just try to phaze Douglas IN? Even if you just start him out with 10 minutes a game?

Also, as I said, he's very flawed. He can't get anyone to buy into his system. I felt the guys who could run the system were the guys who were freaking traded. Zach, Jamal, Nate and yes, Jefferies. I know all the reasons for trading him, but hey. Everyone else though, were talented enough too. Why he couldn't get anyone to buy into it is really beyond me.

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3/14/2010  5:26 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/14/2010  5:27 PM
i don't hate Jeffries... the reason i hated seeing him out there was because he was stealing minutes away from the rookie who should have been getting those minutes... in a limited role i always said Fishlips had his uses, just not for 35+ a night... his limitations on offense were a liability & his presence was delaying the development of our #8 lottery pick.

where i place most of the blame on MDA is his unwillingness to play certain guys who should have been seeing minutes all year.. Nate because he was a possible asset in a trade who could actually play... Larry Hughes because he actually played defense... Darko because he was brought in to fill the shotblocking role & never got a look... Toney Douglas & Jordan Hill because they were kids we invested a lot of faith in the draft who should have gotten a lot more of a look this season... i also find it curious how after 2 full seasons, this genius of a head coach has yet to get anyone to fully understand his system here when several of these guys were hand picked by him to run it... let's face it, this guy needs a PG like Steve Nash to run this system for it to be successful... & i still say his inability to motivate these guys is another black mark on him as a coach... i don't buy the fact that all these guys are simply lazy players that don't have it in them to play hard... all of these guys play because they love the game & they put in a ton of work to get to the NBA level... i highly doubt that if u tracked the careers of every single player on this team that they were all always like this, playing listless basketball & not giving forth effort on defense... a head coach needs to understand how to bring a team together & get them playing like a unit... MDA has failed miserably at this basic task.

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