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TMS
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2/22/2010  6:43 AM
i dunno why u keep trying to convince me that Sergio showed something special last night, i just don't agree... i am hoping to see some good things out of him in the coming weeks... last night he showed me some good things & he showed me some bad things... i didn't come away overly impressed... we'll see how he plays tonight... if he plays well i will be the first to say so, i don't hold any biases against this kid.
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2/22/2010  6:59 AM
Rodriguez is blessed with great speed and a knack for flashy plays, including two behind-the-back passes that Lee converted for layups. He dived to the floor at least twice for loose balls. Rodriguez shot poorly (2 for 8), but he had six assists in 25 minutes 34 seconds. More important, the offense was noticeably faster and more fluid with him on the court.
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2/22/2010  8:52 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/22/2010  8:53 AM
Sergio Rodriguez's stat line would have been much better if Al Harrington made some shots. Turtle robbed Spanish Magic of about 5 assists.
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2/22/2010  9:46 AM
TMS it seems as if you are stuck on completed plays and +/- and as I've tried to explain it wasn't really about that. You can only get a assist if the guy you setup scores the ball, but Sergio did his job setting up players with pinpoint passes and it wasn't just easy dump offs to Lee like Duhon. He was penetrating and hitting guys on the perimeter perfectly.

You say you watched but I don't think you focused on the right things. If Sergio continues to do the things he did in his 1st game you'll see it reflected in the stats it just didn't workout only cuz guys didn't hit, but not cuz he was the source of the problem.

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2/22/2010  9:57 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/22/2010  9:58 AM
Sergio was great. Best point guard play we've had here since Marbury was playing really well under Larry Brown for those six hot games.

Anyone who can't see that doesn't really understand basketball. Hope he can keep it up and we pick up his qualifying offer.

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2/22/2010  10:33 AM
crzymdups wrote:Sergio was great. Best point guard play we've had here since Marbury was playing really well under Larry Brown for those six hot games.

Anyone who can't see that doesn't really understand basketball. Hope he can keep it up and we pick up his qualifying offer.

That's really not saying much. I mean comon. We had Marbury and Duhon. Wooptie doo.

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2/22/2010  10:41 AM
Chris Duhon had like a 3 month stretch where he was getting 8-9 assists per game last year
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2/22/2010  10:41 AM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Sergio was great. Best point guard play we've had here since Marbury was playing really well under Larry Brown for those six hot games.

Anyone who can't see that doesn't really understand basketball. Hope he can keep it up and we pick up his qualifying offer.

That's really not saying much. I mean comon. We had Marbury and Duhon. Wooptie doo.

that was five years ago. it's the best point guard play we've had in five years. and before that brief marbury stretch you have to go back to like mark jackson.

sergio is a pure point. he should be starting.

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2/22/2010  10:47 AM
TMS wrote:
Infamous wrote:
TMS wrote:
nixluva wrote:He looks better than any PG we've had in terms doing pure PG things in a long time.

Duhon had some pretty impressive statlines in December in games we won... i have zero idea how u can quantify this statement off a 5 & 6 performance in a game we lost by Sergio in a reserve role... it's way too early to judge a thing on this guy.

are you even watching these games?? why is it in every thread you protect duhon? he is garbage. period. sergio didnt put up numbers because players missed open shots...if duhon was in the game logging heavy minutes we wouldve lost by 20. it speaks volumes that mike d benched duhon already for sergio and eddie house when these guys just got here. sergio is a definate upgrade.

um, yeah i'm watching... i'm not protecting Duhon, just stating facts... he's had plenty more impressive games this season than the one i saw out of Sergio last nite... go ahead & annoint the kid off 1 game if u want to, that's not my thing... both Sergio & Duhon were benched down the stretch last night btw... if Sergio was orchestrating so effectively last night as you guys claim, he would have been on the floor in crunchtime... i guess Mike D'Antoni must not be watching the games either.

anyway, when Sergio shows me something to be excited about i'll be more than happy to give him props... so far all i saw was an active guy who ran the ball up the floor instead of walking it that was not shooting particularly well & didn't do much to spark any offense... his defense didn't impress me all that much either... i hope to see some things to be excited over the way y'all are tonight out of him.

duhon has had how many good games out of 50? 5? 6? he got benched in favor of nate robinson as a pg. thats all you need to know. Sergio was playing in OT. the reason Sergio was benched at all in the 4th is because of House 3 pt shooting. Duhon never came back in. I dont even see how this is debatable.

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2/22/2010  10:56 AM
VDesai wrote:Chris Duhon had like a 3 month stretch where he was getting 8-9 assists per game last year

The difference I see with Sergio is that I think this who he is, Duhon had to come outside of his comfort zone to play faster and more aggressive. In the end he couldn't sustain it. Sergio from what I've seen and heard is by default an uptempo PG. It seems to be a perfect fit for him.

The thing that I really love is he likes to penetrate! Keeping his dribble and probing the defense like Nash. There's a purpose to his movements unlike Duhon. You could see when Duhon would slow it down and walk it up then needlessly give up his dribble! Duhon just isn't well suited to playing fast for 30 mpg 82 games a year. In stretches yes but not fulltime like we need.

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2/22/2010  11:12 AM
wasn't 13 Mark Jackson's number?

Sergio kept his dribble and kept his head up

He does not need to hit a single shot to effective for the Knicks who have plenty of shooters. he will get to the rack and his bunnies will be a bonus

so long as he drives the ball with purpose and dives for loose balls he is a friend of mine.

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2/22/2010  11:13 AM
I went back to look at a Sergio scouting report and it confirmed what I'm seeing in this kid:
Sergio Rodriguez NBA Draft Scouting Report
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May 24, 2006
Strengths
Sergio Rodríguez is an off-the-charts basketball talent; one of just a few players capable of surprising even the most knowledgeable minds in the game with his moves. A very creative playmaker, he has a superb ability to generate offense, whether for himself or for his teammates, based on an outstanding skill set.

Not a superb athlete, nor a physical freak, Sergio fills the bill for the basic tools required to carry his game to the next level. At 6-3, he has good size to handle the position while showing a nice enough frame for a point guard. Even if there’s still significant work to do, his body development in the past few years has been noticeable, particularly during the previous season. He won’t blow anybody with his athleticism, but he’s a fairly quick guy and he let’s his skills do the rest.

As you can see, there is nothing particularly special regarding his physical profile; what really sets him apart from virtually every other youngster is his skill set. To start with, Sergio is a terrific ball-handler. More in the line to what we usually see in American playmakers, he dominates the ball. High dribble, low dribble, crossover, behind-the-back dribble, he’s mastered every single variant at a young age with both hands. But he’s not an exhibitionist; it’s only a matter of gaining advantages through this skill. He’s really quick driving the ball, and creative in order to get to where he wants.

With these credentials, it’s very hard to stop him whenever to decides to step into the lane. He’s a great one-on-one player. Even if he’s not that explosive, he has a nice first step, terrific footwork, and the ability to easily change gears. Predictable is not a word in Sergio’s dictionary, although it’s true that he tends to go right looking the way for the basket. One of his patented moves is, once in motion, faking going right and then crossing the ball and slashing the other way right by his defender, a move that is very difficult to contest. Sergio also shows nice ability finishing his slashing moves. Although he might have his shot blocked from time to time, particularly when he’s trying to drive past too many rivals, he usually finds the way to leave the layup, using the glass if necessary. He also has an effective short off-the-dribble jumpshot that he can release even over players that are significantly taller than him.

Perhaps the most spectacular among his skills, Sergio is a consummate passer. Enjoying outstanding court vision, it’s in those slashing situations where he probably shines the most. Whenever he forces a defensive rotation, he has the ability to find the open man, intelligently seeing the floor and utilizing the opposite side of the floor for a quick reverse to get the defense off-balance. He’s automatic in pick and roll plays, showing perfect timing to distribute the ball, or finishing himself if the defenders opt not to switch. It’s needless to say how helpful this will be in the NBA, where there’s more emphasis on individual defenses rather than team defenses. When Sergio is on the court, it’s not rare to see a wing cutting by the baseline while the pick and roll takes all the attention, and to be perfectly fed by Rodríguez.

Sergio is not only a drive and dish player; he can distribute from the perimeter, rewarding strong off the ball movement, not only for the players going outside looking for an open look from the three-point line, but also being able to deliver difficult entry passes on sharp cuts to the basket. Like we’ve said, he’s not an exhibitionist, and you won’t see him performing a fancy pass just for the sake of doing it. He does like to give the ball up with a no-look pass, but on one hand it helps to create confusion for the defense, and on the other, for him it’s as easy and natural as breathing. He can use both hands or just one in the delivery (usually the right), while he elegantly takes advantage of the bounce pass when he finds the opportunity. Behind-the-back passes or other things of that nature is not the most common thing to see him do; only when the situation requires it. He’s perhaps even a better passer in transition. He never gives up the chance of a full-court pass if it will create an advantage for his team. If he takes the ball up-court on a fastbreak, he shows excellent decision making looking for the best option, whether feeding the running wings, the trailer coming behind him or finishing himself.

Despite his tremendous passing ability, Sergio is not necessarily a pure pass-first point guard, even if his shooting struggles this season have sometimes driven him that way. He likes to score as much as the next guy. Besides his ability to score while slashing to the basket, he’s not a bad off the dribble shooter at all, even with International three-point range. He shows nice confidence and quick mechanics releasing his jumpers, and can get very hot at times from the perimeter, although he hasn’t done it regularly this season. He also shows a remarkable ability shooting in front of bigger rivals near the basket, managing to stay in the air and release the ball over them.

Sergio is a player that loves the up-tempo pace. He rarely wastes a chance to score two quick and easy points. While this tendency might result (indeed, frequently results) in excessively rushing, he’s learning to control the rhythm of the game better. Still running whenever he thinks it can benefit his team, he’s now more aware of when the team needs to take a break, run down the shot-clock and involve other players in major creating roles. He’s a player who tends to absorb a huge chunk of the offensive game, a troubling issue for a youngster playing pros; but he’s now more comfortable sharing the ball, and more confident making decisions. He keeps taking risks, but shows better timing doing it.

Sergio might sometimes produce the wrong impression, the feeling that he’s out of control, and that he’s not that smart on the court. But he’s a highly intelligent player who only needs to find confidence and his rhythm playing the game in order to be effective. He’s absolutely nuts about basketball, which is easy to tell watching him play. Indeed he’s a guy who loves big games, the decisive moments, and who never hides when the ball burns for other players in clutch situations. He’s a winner who already has an impressive resume for a player so young, having enjoyed starting status in the Euroleague and ACB League with Adecco Estudiantes, being called up to the Spanish National Team, or earning MVP honors in the European Junior Championships while leading Spain to the gold. That’s valuable experience at the most demanding settings of international basketball.

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2/22/2010  11:40 AM
listen, i personally think sergio played well in his first game with new teammates the other night. i'm not going to say the guy is steve nash lite or anything like that, but i really like the way he played - he was aggressive, he looked to make tough passes and he pushed the ball. i think those three qualities are extremely important in what miked wants to do, so let's see how sergio improves. he HAS to work on his shot - he needs to get more lift on it, but i think he can work that out.

i honestly think he'll prove to be worth some serious consideration resigning for next year over the course of the next 28 games.

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2/22/2010  12:58 PM
Rodriguez doesn't score much or defend very well. He is a good playmaker.
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2/22/2010  2:13 PM
TMS wrote:Sergio's line:

5 pts. / 6 ast. / 3 reb. / 1 stl. / 2 to's on 2 of 8 shooting in 26 min.
0 for 3 from 3 pt. range
1 for 2 from FT line
-6 in +/-

y'all is sippin' some serious Kool Aid, that's all i'ma say.

+/- for one game isn't very useful but I'd be interested in seeing what it looks like after 29 games

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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2/22/2010  2:19 PM
Ira wrote:Rodriguez doesn't score much or defend very well. He is a good playmaker.

I think he's a better scorer than we saw in that 1st game. I'm not worried about his scoring at all. The playmaking part is the biggest thing.
Defensively he's gotta learn how to play team D at the least. You can just let guys run past you. One good sign was his giving up the body and taking the charge.

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2/22/2010  3:43 PM
we got to be careful about sergio.is he good because he is talented good or is he good because we comparing him to Duhon(which abe vigoda will look like nash if he was compared to duhon)....lets not over react.....


Just sayin.....

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2/22/2010  5:13 PM
VDesai wrote:Chris Duhon had like a 3 month stretch where he was getting 8-9 assists per game last year

dude, u clearly don't understand basketball... Sergio is the truth! case closed! *plugging ears*

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2/22/2010  5:17 PM
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:
TMS wrote:Sergio's line:

5 pts. / 6 ast. / 3 reb. / 1 stl. / 2 to's on 2 of 8 shooting in 26 min.
0 for 3 from 3 pt. range
1 for 2 from FT line
-6 in +/-

y'all is sippin' some serious Kool Aid, that's all i'ma say.

+/- for one game isn't very useful but I'd be interested in seeing what it looks like after 29 games

i agree it's not very useful after only 1 game, & neither are these projections about his basketball skills that apparently were on display the other night... i'm hopeful that he shows something that warrants us picking up his qualifying offer this summer, because i don't want this guy to be just another cap filler plug in we got in these trades we made... looking at his stats over his career, this guy seriously needs to work on his outside shooting if he wants to play in MDA's system, cuz he's going to be open for a ton of 3's if we end up getting a marquee FA this summer & he needs to be able to knock them down... 31% over his career & 0 for 3 performances from 3 pt. range don't inspire much confidence in me, but hoping for better things down the stretch of this season.

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2/22/2010  6:17 PM
I liked the fact that Rodriguez can get to the hoop almost at will. That's a good skill to have. I can't count how many times the team was forced to take forced jumper because that was the best Duhon could get during a given possession.
But, I am worried about Sergio's D. He didn't bother moving up into Westbrook's chest the entire night. I can kinda deal with it if a player scores because he's taller or elevates too high if the defensive effort is there. But Sergio gave up six feet of space to Westbrook during each possession and it wasn't like he was in foul trouble.
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