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tkf
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2/13/2010  12:46 PM
Swishfm3 wrote:to answer the question...

cuz he is white


what does that have to do with anything.. I am not white, yet I am one of his biggest fans.....

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2/13/2010  12:49 PM
Marv wrote:So gallo's disappearing acts and ineffectiveness on the court are going to be rationalized for how long? Would someone care to put out an end date when the youth excuse expires for him?

just a question, what dissapearing acts? and ineffectivness. Tell me, after 78 pro games, how many games would you say he has been ineffective or dissapeared? I mean looking at his numbers, I don't think there is much support for your opinion here...

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2/13/2010  12:55 PM
Swishfm3 wrote:to answer the question...

cuz he is white

lol what an ass

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2/13/2010  1:10 PM
How can any1 sit there and with a straight face say "Zees playaar will noet improove evar" is beyond me. Both Gallo and Chandler are young guys. I think its pretty arrogant to think that you know who will develop more as a player out of those 2. Having said that, why can't we keep both? They are both at least, above average wing players. If i had to keep just one, i'd wait to see what happens with Gallo's back and if thats ok i'd probably keep him over Chandler. Someone also mentioned before that depending on who you'd be trading for would be a major factor as to which 1 you would want to keep to compliment the new player(s) better with. Gallo being perfect wing for Lebron comes to mind. . .
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2/13/2010  1:43 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/13/2010  1:45 PM
Cosmic wrote:
holfresh wrote:

Chandler is dumb as bricks??????
Chandler has peaked?????
Chandler is lazy????
Chandler tries to get his???

I kept reading waiting for the punchline but there was none....

For your guide, its been said that Chandler is the hardest working player on the Knicks in terms of working on his game...

I'm stunned...

Dumb - Yes. Steps out of bounds a lot, forces bad passes, takes deep shots when he can drive, drives when he can take a deep shot.
Peaked - Yes. Chandler is doing what he's done since he was drafted. He is not showing any actual new skill nor has he gotten significantly better at anything he already does. He will improve with experience but it will be marginal.
Lazy - Yes. Falls into grooves of chucking from deep for games at a time.
Get His - Yes. When Al and Nate are heaving shot after shot when he finally gets the ball he chucks it up as fast as he can.


GALLO:

Smart.
Hasn't peaked.
Never lazy.
Never tries to get his.


Therein lies my opinion that you keep Gallo and pack Chandler's bags. Which is the topic of the thread.

It would have been very easy in the past to get me to respond to such misguided assessments with a half page rebuttal..I'm not sure if you are not watching the games or just ignorant to what you are seeing..I think it's the latter...You could not be more far off in your evaluation of Will Chan...Pretty tough to take any comments you make seriously...
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2/13/2010  2:02 PM
Marv wrote:So gallo's disappearing acts and ineffectiveness on the court are going to be rationalized for how long? Would someone care to put out an end date when the youth excuse expires for him?

Sometime halfway through next season would be a good time to re-evaluate him and his direction.

He's playing with fools which are hindering his potential development.
More so I think he's playing with pain and I've been taken to task for saying that but I think it's true he still has back spasms and other problems stemming from his back.

Which isn't cool but it's there.

Chandler has been around for years already. Gallo is still new. So you're going to give the benefit of the doubt to the new kid to prove or disprove your opinions of him over someone who has been around for some time. That's just normal to do so.

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2/13/2010  2:05 PM
holfresh wrote:

It would have been very easy in the past to get me to respond to such misguided assessments with a half page rebuttal..I'm not sure if you are not watching the games or just ignorant to what you are seeing..I think it's the latter...You could not be more far off in your evaluation of Will Chan...Pretty tough to take any comments you make seriously...

So now I'm ignorant and you're a bigger man for not attacking me but you call me names anyway.

Just perfect and contradictory.

I'm sorry but I don't see this superstar you guys see in Wilson Chandler. He's had some nice games and some nice stretches but overall he is a mediocre player with a low ceiling.

Again, I'm sorry I don't take the approach of "He's wearing a Knick jersey he's a superstar!" approach to how I view my favorite team.

Why this rubs some folks in such a wrong way I'll never understand.

I remember saying Roberson sucked when we signed him and a couple of you crapped on me citing how he was so deadly from downtown in a practice none of us ever saw.

But, well, that's just how things go, so be it, but I will still give my opinion on players.

And my opinion is that Wilson Chandler is overrated by many and generally a mediocre player who puts up some nice stretches of ball and some horrid stretches of ball and is not worthy of any thoughts that he will be a star some day.

My opinion is also that in a viewpoint of player potential that Gallinari well outshines Wilson Chandler in that department.

So sue me.

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2/13/2010  2:22 PM
tkf wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:to answer the question...

cuz he is white


what does that have to do with anything.. I am not white, yet I am one of his biggest fans.....

Don't go there MR REAL GM, we know ya agenda, to be well liked of everyone instead of speaking the truth.

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2/13/2010  2:31 PM
I like Chandler. I think he has the kind of athletic game we often lack and he would be even better if we had a PG that would push the ball more and allow him to get out on the break for easy scores. I think the half court hurts him some, cuz he has to wait for his spots to attack the rim and his shooting is good but not great. I think as his confidence grows he's gonna be a very solid player. It's not like we don't like Chan, just cuz we like Gallo's upside more. This isn't an either/or situation. You can have a good outcome for both players.

Gallo shows his BB IQ often in how he approaches the game. His not always forcing shots just cuz everyone else is doing it. His passing which can be very good at times and leads me to want to see him handle the ball more. If anything he's been a bit too unselfish, but I think as his confidence grows and he realizes his place on the team as a top player, he won't defer as much. The upside we see is in the skills he already possesses and projecting his natural growth from here. If he's already such a great shooter % wise, it wouldn't take much for him to expand his game to include the midrange and post up. He has the moves, but lacks the strength. He'll likely be more of a face up guy than a pure back to the basket post player, more like Dirk or KG. I doubt he goes into the deep post game. He'll need a lot more strength in his base to do moves like Rasheed Wallace or other serious post up guys. He'll probably be more of jab step jumper or drive type. He needs only to create just a bit of space to get his shot off. He already has shown the ability to drive and draw fouls, so if he gets stronger he'll be much more effective finishing too.
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2/13/2010  2:36 PM
Cosmic wrote:
holfresh wrote:

It would have been very easy in the past to get me to respond to such misguided assessments with a half page rebuttal..I'm not sure if you are not watching the games or just ignorant to what you are seeing..I think it's the latter...You could not be more far off in your evaluation of Will Chan...Pretty tough to take any comments you make seriously...

So now I'm ignorant and you're a bigger man for not attacking me but you call me names anyway.

Just perfect and contradictory.

I'm sorry but I don't see this superstar you guys see in Wilson Chandler. He's had some nice games and some nice stretches but overall he is a mediocre player with a low ceiling.

Again, I'm sorry I don't take the approach of "He's wearing a Knick jersey he's a superstar!" approach to how I view my favorite team.

Why this rubs some folks in such a wrong way I'll never understand.

I remember saying Roberson sucked when we signed him and a couple of you crapped on me citing how he was so deadly from downtown in a practice none of us ever saw.

But, well, that's just how things go, so be it, but I will still give my opinion on players.

And my opinion is that Wilson Chandler is overrated by many and generally a mediocre player who puts up some nice stretches of ball and some horrid stretches of ball and is not worthy of any thoughts that he will be a star some day.

My opinion is also that in a viewpoint of player potential that Gallinari well outshines Wilson Chandler in that department.

So sue me.

LOL it's what holfresh does.

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2/13/2010  2:39 PM
playa2 wrote:
tkf wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:to answer the question...

cuz he is white


what does that have to do with anything.. I am not white, yet I am one of his biggest fans.....

Don't go there MR REAL GM, we know ya agenda, to be well liked of everyone instead of speaking the truth.

You know the racist thing has no place here.

I don't know why people push it.

Apparently I don't like Wilson Chandler because he is black.
Apparently I like Gallinari because he's white.
Apparently I don't like Lee because he's white.
Apparently I don't like Hill because he's black.

I mean really, can't we drop this garbage already?

I like and dislike players on how they perform. This goes for just about everyone.

The thing is, you and sebstar seem to always bring up race more than anyone. In that I think you two are the ones who can't get over skin color and just focus on how a player produces or not regardless.

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2/13/2010  2:40 PM
nyk4ever wrote:


LOL it's what holfresh does.

Eh, oh well... we can't all get along I suppose. No biggie.

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2/13/2010  2:43 PM
I think there is something to the fact that Walsh/D'Antoni drafted Gallo and not Chandler. He was a risk at 6 in that draft and they brought him back last year to play him despite his being injured. I also think there are always going to be health concerns after his back injury and surgery. It is concerning that some are suggesting his mysterious arm injury might be related to his back.
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2/13/2010  2:45 PM
CrushAlot wrote:I think there is something to the fact that Walsh/D'Antoni drafted Gallo and not Chandler. He was a risk at 6 in that draft and they brought him back last year to play him despite his being injured. I also think there are always going to be health concerns after his back injury and surgery. It is concerning that some are suggesting his mysterious arm injury might be related to his back.

LOL the people who are suggesting that they are related are on this board.

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2/13/2010  2:47 PM
holfresh wrote:Somehow posters has made the assessment that Wilson Chandler has peaked as a player

While I think Gallo has more value than Chandler, I don't understand this belief either. Young, athletic players like Chandler are usually thought to have some potential

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2/13/2010  2:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/13/2010  3:23 PM
Cosmic wrote:
holfresh wrote:

It would have been very easy in the past to get me to respond to such misguided assessments with a half page rebuttal..I'm not sure if you are not watching the games or just ignorant to what you are seeing..I think it's the latter...You could not be more far off in your evaluation of Will Chan...Pretty tough to take any comments you make seriously...

So now I'm ignorant and you're a bigger man for not attacking me but you call me names anyway.

Just perfect and contradictory.

I'm sorry but I don't see this superstar you guys see in Wilson Chandler. He's had some nice games and some nice stretches but overall he is a mediocre player with a low ceiling.

Again, I'm sorry I don't take the approach of "He's wearing a Knick jersey he's a superstar!" approach to how I view my favorite team.

Why this rubs some folks in such a wrong way I'll never understand.

I remember saying Roberson sucked when we signed him and a couple of you crapped on me citing how he was so deadly from downtown in a practice none of us ever saw.

But, well, that's just how things go, so be it, but I will still give my opinion on players.

And my opinion is that Wilson Chandler is overrated by many and generally a mediocre player who puts up some nice stretches of ball and some horrid stretches of ball and is not worthy of any thoughts that he will be a star some day.

My opinion is also that in a viewpoint of player potential that Gallinari well outshines Wilson Chandler in that department.

So sue me.

Whats names am I calling u?...I crapped over u for saying Roberson sucked????...Never happened!!!!
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nyk4ever wrote:
Cosmic wrote:
holfresh wrote:

It would have been very easy in the past to get me to respond to such misguided assessments with a half page rebuttal..I'm not sure if you are not watching the games or just ignorant to what you are seeing..I think it's the latter...You could not be more far off in your evaluation of Will Chan...Pretty tough to take any comments you make seriously...

So now I'm ignorant and you're a bigger man for not attacking me but you call me names anyway.

Just perfect and contradictory.

I'm sorry but I don't see this superstar you guys see in Wilson Chandler. He's had some nice games and some nice stretches but overall he is a mediocre player with a low ceiling.

Again, I'm sorry I don't take the approach of "He's wearing a Knick jersey he's a superstar!" approach to how I view my favorite team.

Why this rubs some folks in such a wrong way I'll never understand.

I remember saying Roberson sucked when we signed him and a couple of you crapped on me citing how he was so deadly from downtown in a practice none of us ever saw.

But, well, that's just how things go, so be it, but I will still give my opinion on players.

And my opinion is that Wilson Chandler is overrated by many and generally a mediocre player who puts up some nice stretches of ball and some horrid stretches of ball and is not worthy of any thoughts that he will be a star some day.

My opinion is also that in a viewpoint of player potential that Gallinari well outshines Wilson Chandler in that department.

So sue me.

LOL it's what holfresh does.

No, this is what you do..Chime in on other peoples conversation....U will now be know as Eli Turnbull the INS agent on Coneheads, going forward...Now that's calling someone names...By the way, Eli was the guy running around looking to be someone else's yes man...Everytime I'm in discussions with someone, you show up with ur two cents with stuff like, this is what holfresh does you must understand....
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2/13/2010  3:04 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:
holfresh wrote:Somehow posters has made the assessment that Wilson Chandler has peaked as a player

While I think Gallo has more value than Chandler, I don't understand this belief either. Young, athletic players like Chandler are usually thought to have some potential

Why is it always one or the other to the point where one has to be traded?...Are the Knicks that good of a ball club we can throwout potential???...It was the same thing with Frye and Lee...
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2/13/2010  3:21 PM
I see an improved player from last year in Chandler, his stats are about the same but his consistency has been there this year... what more can one really ask for? you ask to see what a guy can do then you ask him "okay im happy with this you showed me can you give me this production on a daily basis?"
he might not be headed into superstardom but he is headed in the right direction in turning himself into a reliable basketball player...

Gallo seems to have the skills there.. we've seen what he can do... his next step is to bring that "skill/effort/production" on a consistent basis...

to say Chandler is a dum basketball player is simply reaching, he's second only to david lee on this basketball team when it comes to consistency, he's not out there exactly loosing games for us... he's not out to get his either, he's taking 20 shots or more only like 4 or 5 times this year.. he seems to be playing more within himself and taking less 3 point shots.. which sometimes is inevitable within the concept of this offense...

I think walsh is thinking, the guy im gonna try to land in FA is going to replace Chandler, since he's allready got his shooter and his post player
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2/13/2010  3:33 PM
Cosmic wrote:
playa2 wrote:
tkf wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:to answer the question...

cuz he is white


what does that have to do with anything.. I am not white, yet I am one of his biggest fans.....

Don't go there MR REAL GM, we know ya agenda, to be well liked of everyone instead of speaking the truth.

You know the racist thing has no place here.

I don't know why people push it.

Apparently I don't like Wilson Chandler because he is black.
Apparently I like Gallinari because he's white.
Apparently I don't like Lee because he's white.
Apparently I don't like Hill because he's black.

I mean really, can't we drop this garbage already?

I like and dislike players on how they perform. This goes for just about everyone.

The thing is, you and sebstar seem to always bring up race more than anyone. In that I think you two are the ones who can't get over skin color and just focus on how a player produces or not regardless.


cosmic, I have known you for a while and the last thing I know you do, is cheer for a player or hype him because he wears a knick jersey.. and ignore playa's stupid ass comments, because he is just a fool, no better than those kids we have to ban on the other site, and why his foolishness is allowed over here is mindboggling.

Anyway, I root for gallo because I think he has the chance to be one of our best draft picks since Ewing... I like the way he approaches the game.. I also like wilson and I have defended wilson many of times. Like you, I just think chandler is much closert to peaking as gallo is just scratching the surface. the funny thing I keep hearing is that posters are saying go outside of the NY fanbase and you would get a different answer.. But I have.. and what I keep hearing is that most feel is that gallo is a high upside kid, while chandler, a good player doesn't have the upside and is pretty close to his ceiling.. And I am being kind here.. some, if not most fans from other teams, think we overvalue chandler and that he really isn't not that good... but I am not going to go there.. while I think that both he and gallo are fine young players, I would like to see both get a chance to distinguish themselves without playing with these fools currently on their team....

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