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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
1/4/2010 9:34 PM
The statement "it's not fair" seems to say a lot about the perspective of Hughes about the game. It's not about the fact that the team won the last two games. All that mattered to him was his Playing Time. Forget all that it's about the team stuff, when it comes down to it, he let his real feelings come out and the guy is selfish. You can say who isn't, but in this case he could've kept that to himself for the sake of the team or took his issue to MDA in the lockerroom. The guys thinks that he's so important that MDA should be the one to seek him out and explain his actions!!! Well Larry it's not about you and you aren't that important in the overall scheme of things. Unless you're Kobe or Lebron, none of these guys individually are that important. This is just another example of why some players just don't get it.
Rather than look at his own play objectively he wants to deflect responsibility and claim foul play. If he was playing great there's no way he loses his spot. Heck if he had even shown some sort of upward trend in his play he might have stayed in the rotation. Curry, Darko and Hughes can all at anytime go to MDA's office and ask what they need to work on to have a shot to play. It's a two way street. |
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TMS
Posts: 60684 Alba Posts: 617 Joined: 5/11/2004 Member: #674 USA |
1/4/2010 9:57 PM
PresIke wrote:my wonderment is what would d'antoni gain by making personal beefs with players? just being rid of a player who he's grown sick of babysitting brings him peace of mind & ability to focus on other areas that need to be addressed... disagreeable behavior is a personality based problem, it is not a basketball related problem... you can try & interpret it any other way you like, but the bottomline is much of this points to behavior & attitude flaws in Nate that MDA found disagreeable. After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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orangeblobman
Posts: 27269 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 3/1/2009 Member: #2539 Nauru |
1/4/2010 11:04 PM
I sure hope MDA wouldn't do this. Butyou never know, he is s tubborn as a mule.
WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
1/4/2010 11:05 PM
Actually MANY great coaches have the same sort of issue with problem players. Larry Brown doesn't suffer fools, Sloan has very little patience as well. I think it's not a weakness to demand that the men you have act like men. Some guys like Phil Jackson are more social worker than pure coach. He has a more of a psychiatrist approach. It doesn't make MDA wrong in his approach or lack of desire to have to deal with players that will be a problem child for him, while he's trying it win games.
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TMS
Posts: 60684 Alba Posts: 617 Joined: 5/11/2004 Member: #674 USA |
1/4/2010 11:11 PM LAST EDITED: 1/4/2010 11:12 PM
nixluva wrote:Actually MANY great coaches have the same sort of issue with problem players. Larry Brown doesn't suffer fools, Sloan has very little patience as well. I think it's not a weakness to demand that the men you have act like men. Some guys like Phil Jackson are more social worker than pure coach. He has a more of a psychiatrist approach. It doesn't make MDA wrong in his approach or lack of desire to have to deal with players that will be a problem child for him, while he's trying it win games. & i don't hold it against MDA that he would even have a personal problem against a certain player... Larry Brown had a problem w/Dinglebury, Don Nelson has had problems with multiple players... MDA is not alone & no one is criticizing him for having a personal problem vs. Nate or anyone else... the point is that the problem is personal & not all about basketball... we're just making the distinction there... u keep interpreting this as people bashing on MDA for being wrong when that's never been the point to begin with. After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
1/4/2010 11:47 PM
TMS wrote:nixluva wrote:Actually MANY great coaches have the same sort of issue with problem players. Larry Brown doesn't suffer fools, Sloan has very little patience as well. I think it's not a weakness to demand that the men you have act like men. Some guys like Phil Jackson are more social worker than pure coach. He has a more of a psychiatrist approach. It doesn't make MDA wrong in his approach or lack of desire to have to deal with players that will be a problem child for him, while he's trying it win games. My point is still that these coaches want to win and they feel that the distraction and poor example that problem players create runs counter to a winning environment and approach to the game. Winning teams play guys that have a winning mentality. The focus on things that produce wins by your players is a huge key. Now if you have a team full of guys that are great team players and have the right mental approach, you can put up with a player who has great talent but not always focused on winning behavior. Crazy guys like Rodman or Rasheed can be dealt with. Their behavior can be tolerated and somewhat counterbalanced by the overall professional approach of the rest of the team. It's still not a good thing, but they can survive it. Now on a team like ours with less talent and guys trying to learn how to be winners it's not a tolerable and more detrimental. So it's still more about WINNING than personal distaste. |
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Olbrannon
Posts: 21913 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 10/2/2009 Member: #2919 USA |
1/5/2010 12:38 AM
nixluva wrote:TMS wrote:nixluva wrote:Actually MANY great coaches have the same sort of issue with problem players. Larry Brown doesn't suffer fools, Sloan has very little patience as well. I think it's not a weakness to demand that the men you have act like men. Some guys like Phil Jackson are more social worker than pure coach. He has a more of a psychiatrist approach. It doesn't make MDA wrong in his approach or lack of desire to have to deal with players that will be a problem child for him, while he's trying it win games. All well said. Another thought springs to mind. Clyde mentioned "D'Antoni respects his veterans too much to play them in garbage time" as the camera panned to a sitting and spitting Hughes. Players need burn to get back to form and being in a contract year no burn isn't gonna help in negotiations. Really should keep his trap shut though...he's let everyone know his true position now. And since the Knicks are winning without him makes him out a whiner. No problem Larry. I understand the Wizards may have an opening soon and from all appearances they don't mind overpaying either. The Pinewood Tales shall continue of course with a new segment on National TV ...and hey even Floridians can watch a game for less than $199 for a season. Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans
"The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
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TMS
Posts: 60684 Alba Posts: 617 Joined: 5/11/2004 Member: #674 USA |
1/5/2010 12:39 AM
nixluva wrote:TMS wrote:nixluva wrote:Actually MANY great coaches have the same sort of issue with problem players. Larry Brown doesn't suffer fools, Sloan has very little patience as well. I think it's not a weakness to demand that the men you have act like men. Some guys like Phil Jackson are more social worker than pure coach. He has a more of a psychiatrist approach. It doesn't make MDA wrong in his approach or lack of desire to have to deal with players that will be a problem child for him, while he's trying it win games. i don't think MDA could ever put up with a guy like Rodman, Rasheed, Artest or anyone that would cause him excess headaches... i just don't think he could deal w/the constant stress & aggravation, no matter how talented those guys were... that just seems like the type of guy he is... he doesn't seem to be tolerant of strong personalities that stray from the norm... this is a clash of personality types here. After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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arkrud
Posts: 32217 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 8/31/2005 Member: #995 USA |
1/5/2010 12:55 AM LAST EDITED: 1/5/2010 12:55 AM
TMS wrote:nixluva wrote:TMS wrote:nixluva wrote:Actually MANY great coaches have the same sort of issue with problem players. Larry Brown doesn't suffer fools, Sloan has very little patience as well. I think it's not a weakness to demand that the men you have act like men. Some guys like Phil Jackson are more social worker than pure coach. He has a more of a psychiatrist approach. It doesn't make MDA wrong in his approach or lack of desire to have to deal with players that will be a problem child for him, while he's trying it win games. Yep... You are 100% right TMS. MDA is smart. "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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TMS
Posts: 60684 Alba Posts: 617 Joined: 5/11/2004 Member: #674 USA |
1/5/2010 1:04 AM
the right coach can get the best out of even the craziest of players... Rodman won multiple championships under Chuck Daly & Phil Jackson while putting up HOF calibre stats... not many people in the NBA calling Daly & Jax stupid anytime soon
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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sidsanders
Posts: 22541 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/17/2009 Member: #2426 |
1/5/2010 1:23 AM
TMS wrote:the right coach can get the best out of even the craziest of players... Rodman won multiple championships under Chuck Daly & Phil Jackson while putting up HOF calibre stats... not many people in the NBA calling Daly & Jax stupid anytime soon kinda hope dantoni vs "aggravating player" isnt really an issue. some of the best players can be a rough to deal with at times. GO TEAM VENTURE!!!!!
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TMS
Posts: 60684 Alba Posts: 617 Joined: 5/11/2004 Member: #674 USA |
1/5/2010 1:38 AM LAST EDITED: 1/5/2010 1:39 AM
sidsanders wrote:TMS wrote:the right coach can get the best out of even the craziest of players... Rodman won multiple championships under Chuck Daly & Phil Jackson while putting up HOF calibre stats... not many people in the NBA calling Daly & Jax stupid anytime soon i think it takes a certain personality to deal with guys like Rodman, Sheed, AI, Nate, etc... it also helps to have players on your team that can help enforce the team concept & keep those guys in check... Daly had Isiah, Jackson had MJ... Knicks don't have anyone who can keep Nate in check, or tell veterans like Larry Hughes to shut their trap when they start complaining about playing time. After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
1/5/2010 1:38 AM
Yeah but as Arkrud said, we're in a position to NOT HAVE TO deal with that crap anymore. Even when those teams were winning with the trouble makers, it wasn't pleasant or easy. Plus we're missing one fact, those teams had guys that could help police themselves. The coach didn't have to do it all. Here MDA doesn't have a group of guys strong enough to take on an unruly player. We don't have that and when Duhon tried he failed cuz he was playing horribly and besides he's not good enough to carry the clout anyway.
MDA is smart cuz he realizes that he doesn't have a team leader like that. This is why DW wanted Hill or Kidd. There's not one player voice that can really take a stand and cause the players to follow. |
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TMS
Posts: 60684 Alba Posts: 617 Joined: 5/11/2004 Member: #674 USA |
1/5/2010 1:43 AM
nixluva wrote:Yeah but as Arkrud said, we're in a position to NOT HAVE TO deal with that crap anymore. Even when those teams were winning with the trouble makers, it wasn't pleasant or easy. Plus we're missing one fact, those teams had guys that could help police themselves. The coach didn't have to do it all. Here MDA doesn't have a group of guys strong enough to take on an unruly player. We don't have that and when Duhon tried he failed cuz he was playing horribly and besides he's not good enough to carry the clout anyway. i agree w/u... my last post brought up the same points u just made... i mentioned the John Starks example in another thread & how Ewing & Oakley helped Pat Riley keep him in check... we don't have players like that on this team... Malik Rose tried & got into fisticuffs w/Nate in the shower... & like u just pointed out, Duhon doesn't carry enough clout to do it either... this is why i said before, the only way we could ever reign in a renegade player is if we were to sign Lebron this summer, cuz guys will respect him enough not to stir the pot around him. After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
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SupremeCommander
Posts: 34071 Alba Posts: 35 Joined: 4/28/2006 Member: #1127 |
1/5/2010 1:56 AM
LOUD NOISES
DLeethal wrote:
Lol Rick needs a safe space
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
1/5/2010 2:15 AM
TMS wrote:nixluva wrote:Yeah but as Arkrud said, we're in a position to NOT HAVE TO deal with that crap anymore. Even when those teams were winning with the trouble makers, it wasn't pleasant or easy. Plus we're missing one fact, those teams had guys that could help police themselves. The coach didn't have to do it all. Here MDA doesn't have a group of guys strong enough to take on an unruly player. We don't have that and when Duhon tried he failed cuz he was playing horribly and besides he's not good enough to carry the clout anyway. Yes I just missed your last post before I sent mine. I agree with what you're saying. I just think MDA also realizes that it's too much of an issue to tackle by himself and would much rather not have to keep getting sidetracked playing the "Nanny" with unruly players or guys not willing to do what it takes to win. He got his group of guys and is winning with them getting the bulk of the minutes. This is something he's always done and thus he's found a lot of success doing it. Short rotations and playing guys that "get it". When you have a weak team that's how you make it strong. Eliminate the impact of your weakest links. |
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playa2
Posts: 34922 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 5/15/2003 Member: #407 |
1/5/2010 7:57 AM
simrud wrote:Duhon is the only point guard on the roster, period. I dare anybody to name another one. Every other guard is either a 2, or a combo guard that is shoot first. There is no backup pg on this team for a reason, knowing duhon can't play all yr long at a high level, why didn't management and coach desire to get a vet guy on the roster. Did they really expect to make the playoffs ? Or is the team playing better than they thought ?
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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