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1/2/2010  2:24 AM
TMS wrote:& how many damn times do i have to tell u what my problem is with MDA anyway? u just looking for an argument here or do u want an exchange of viewpoints? if u want me to give it a rest stop asking for me to repeat the same things to you to explain my point... i don't like bullsh!t slingers... IMO MDA slings a lot of bullsh!t... if u wanna keep on making ur moronic assumptions about my feelings on MDA's coaching ability even after i've told u time & time again i like him as our coach then maybe u oughta put me on ignore... liking a coach doesn't mean ur not allowed to call him out when he deserves it.

OK TMS I'm callin you on your B.S. cuz I don't see what your argument against MDA really is. What kind of point do you really have to make about a coach that is pushing all the right buttons at this point? You want to call him on the carpet for statements to the damn MEDIA! Man give me a freakin break. Top coachea have done similar things for years and it really hasn't meant a dang thing. YOu don't have a valid point. It's petty and totally insignificant. Who but you and maybe a few others here really cares about his statements to the media? In the end all that really matters is how this team plays. Call me when you have something of value to say about his actual coaching.

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1/2/2010  2:24 AM
TMS wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:atleast the trolls come out when the knicks win now instead of when they lose.

i've been presenting valid points & reasons for each point i've made on this topic... bro, i haven't heard u comment a thing all night... trolls post things with the sole purpose of trying to incite arguments on a forum... i don't think anything i've said or oohah has said tonight qualifies us as trolls... if u were talking about someone else, my mistake.

and im sorry dude, but whenever you're agreeing with oohah and holfresh.. cmon.

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1/2/2010  2:25 AM
nyk4ever wrote:
atleast you've been on here backing up your point since nate's benching. oohah shows up whenever he wants to back up his point. fake hustle.

Specific examples please.

You on the other hand, simply repeat whatever is popular on the forum and in the newspapers and when the individuals argue, you take wimpy potshots at them because you are incapable of backing up your points. We both know that's true.

I'll provide some specific examples of what I am accusing you of just as I have requested from you, and here they are: Simply read above. ^^^^

oohah

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1/2/2010  2:26 AM
TMS wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:atleast the trolls come out when the knicks win now instead of when they lose.

i've been presenting valid points & reasons for each point i've made on this topic... bro, i haven't heard u comment a thing all night... trolls post things with the sole purpose of trying to incite arguments on a forum... i don't think anything i've said or oohah has said tonight qualifies us as trolls... if u were talking about someone else, my mistake.

and one last thing? comment a thing the whole night? take a look at the posts from 7:30 to 10. I was on here the whole night in various threads talking about nate so maybe you weren't looking hard enough, douchebag.

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1/2/2010  2:26 AM
nyk4ever wrote:
and im sorry dude, but whenever you're agreeing with oohah and holfresh.. cmon.

You really define yourself by popularity like an insecure high school kid.

There has never been a day on this forum where you could maintain the level of basketball discussion that I or Holfresh do. Not one day.

oohah

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1/2/2010  2:28 AM
sorry oohah, i don't listen to johnny-come-lately's
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1/2/2010  2:30 AM
nyk4ever wrote:
TMS wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:atleast the trolls come out when the knicks win now instead of when they lose.

i've been presenting valid points & reasons for each point i've made on this topic... bro, i haven't heard u comment a thing all night... trolls post things with the sole purpose of trying to incite arguments on a forum... i don't think anything i've said or oohah has said tonight qualifies us as trolls... if u were talking about someone else, my mistake.

and im sorry dude, but whenever you're agreeing with oohah and holfresh.. cmon.

i've agreed with lots of posters & disagreed with a lot of posters over the years... i speak my mind, if my opinion is shared by certain posters that's just the way it is dude... fishmike & I have had plenty of arguments, same with Allanfan & EnySpree, but i respect all of them... you not so much.

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1/2/2010  2:31 AM
TMS wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
TMS wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:atleast the trolls come out when the knicks win now instead of when they lose.

i've been presenting valid points & reasons for each point i've made on this topic... bro, i haven't heard u comment a thing all night... trolls post things with the sole purpose of trying to incite arguments on a forum... i don't think anything i've said or oohah has said tonight qualifies us as trolls... if u were talking about someone else, my mistake.

and im sorry dude, but whenever you're agreeing with oohah and holfresh.. cmon.

i've agreed with lots of posters & disagreed with a lot of posters over the years... i speak my mind, if my opinion is shared by certain posters that's just the way it is dude... fishmike & I have had plenty of arguments, same with Allanfan & EnySpree, but i respect all of them... you not so much.

that's fine.

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1/2/2010  2:35 AM
nyk4ever wrote:sorry oohah, i don't listen to johnny-come-lately's

Interesting. Then you should not waste your time taking shots at me.

Incidentally, I don't put much stock in the opinions of followers.

oohah

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1/2/2010  2:36 AM
nixluva wrote:
TMS wrote:& how many damn times do i have to tell u what my problem is with MDA anyway? u just looking for an argument here or do u want an exchange of viewpoints? if u want me to give it a rest stop asking for me to repeat the same things to you to explain my point... i don't like bullsh!t slingers... IMO MDA slings a lot of bullsh!t... if u wanna keep on making ur moronic assumptions about my feelings on MDA's coaching ability even after i've told u time & time again i like him as our coach then maybe u oughta put me on ignore... liking a coach doesn't mean ur not allowed to call him out when he deserves it.

OK TMS I'm callin you on your B.S. cuz I don't see what your argument against MDA really is. What kind of point do you really have to make about a coach that is pushing all the right buttons at this point? You want to call him on the carpet for statements to the damn MEDIA! Man give me a freakin break. Top coachea have done similar things for years and it really hasn't meant a dang thing. YOu don't have a valid point. It's petty and totally insignificant. Who but you and maybe a few others here really cares about his statements to the media? In the end all that really matters is how this team plays. Call me when you have something of value to say about his actual coaching.

really is no point in debating anything with you cuz you will take the homer stance on every topic every time without fail... not everyone sees everything as hunky dory all the time like u do... if i have a problem w/the comments MDA makes to the media, i have that right... who the hell are you to call my points invalid, petty & insignificant? you keep wanting to make this about MDA's coaching, it's weird... not once have i ever dissed MDA's coaching ability... all i've ever had to say were positive things about MDA's coaching ability... i've consistently said i've supported Donnie Walsh's decision to hire MDA & am glad he's our head coach... i've told u these things numerous times but apparently reading comprehension is not your strong point.

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1/2/2010  2:36 AM
oohah wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:sorry oohah, i don't listen to johnny-come-lately's

Interesting. Then you should not waste your time taking shots at me.

Incidentally, I don't put much stock in the opinions of followers.

oohah

glad we're in agreement then. enjoy the nate show while you can good sir.

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nyk4ever wrote:
TMS wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:
TMS wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:atleast the trolls come out when the knicks win now instead of when they lose.

i've been presenting valid points & reasons for each point i've made on this topic... bro, i haven't heard u comment a thing all night... trolls post things with the sole purpose of trying to incite arguments on a forum... i don't think anything i've said or oohah has said tonight qualifies us as trolls... if u were talking about someone else, my mistake.

and im sorry dude, but whenever you're agreeing with oohah and holfresh.. cmon.

i've agreed with lots of posters & disagreed with a lot of posters over the years... i speak my mind, if my opinion is shared by certain posters that's just the way it is dude... fishmike & I have had plenty of arguments, same with Allanfan & EnySpree, but i respect all of them... you not so much.

that's fine.

i was just kidding douchebag

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1/2/2010  1:43 PM
JohnWallace44 wrote:Anyone forget that this team had the opportunity to operate with Mike as a laid back coach? What did they do? Went 1-9 while putting out a terrible effort.
...

You seem to be just listening to yourself. Also remarking about my post being trash is opinion.
Plenty of folks whom know me pretty well on forum boards I dont get into any personal attacks on
persons or nasty remarks on opionions on Newyork Knickerbockers. We can all agree to agree or to
agree to disagree maturely. But I ain't going to get into any of that with 1 sole forum poster
of course you're entitled to your opionion(s) this is a free country.

BACK TO THE KNICKS
Mike and Knicks was 1-9 back then for one simple reason only and all this forum board knows it.
MDA teams didnt play any D', simple as that. It was about the 3 point shot and getting enough
shots up which was Mike using the team he has with his philosophy.

That all changed in late November since some lightbulb went off in MDA and his coaching staff that DEFENSE (like Frazier says)
is first. You start all your game plan with D.

That is regardless of Nate (41 pts) Robinson being in the game or not.
Nate had to learn that as well as other Knicks. Do not tell me other than Larry Hughes early on that Knicks players
was into D'ee fense at 1-9 record the way they exhibit now. Especially stud David Lee the worst Defensive offender
for his skills.

All the knicks have improved in D and with MDA usually playing under-talented and without a real TRUE superstar I
give him credit for that and changing his ways. New York is a team always bred on D and none of MDA teams ever was
known for Defense though they've had talent and future possible hall of famer players

There is nothing wrong with this post and nothing wrong with my critique of MDA.
He's done well but is far from any criticism as well as owner (Dolan) and GM/pres Donnie Walsh

I Like Walsh, dont like James Dolan but generally happy with all the direction the Knicks are headed.
But fact is until Knicks wipe out NOT winning or building to a championship team in over 35 yrs I will run my mouth
about it since I enjoyed NY Knicks last Championship. Yep DJ may be older but I enjoyed both Knicks titles more the
2nd than the first. Fans deserve it since New york is the greatest basketball and pro town.

In closing if Players are FA to come to Knicks in 2010 it all starts with MDA, Walsh and the perceptions they put
out about playing in NewYork. So far we hear more players with lukewarm interests ever in playing in Newyork and
word is NY is irrelevant as far as NBA need to have winner in metropolitan city. It never used to be like that!

There isnt any guarantee for any NBA superstar stud as yet whom will be here or there.
Knicks need to give fans that hope we will get the pieces needed for a legit champion contender in 2- 4 yrs upcoming

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1/2/2010  1:48 PM
TMS wrote:DJ, i am with u on this all the way... i admire MDA's coaching ability, but he's made this entirely personal w/Nate & i don't think it needed to go there... when you see Duhon & Hughes having horrible nights & when Gallo can't even hit the side of the basket, no one can tell me inserting a scorer like Nate couldn't have helped this team tonight... this has become more about MDA exerting control over his team than focusing on trying to get the W, i don't care what other kinda BS MDA wants to shovel at this point... MDA has obviously made up his mind to never play Nate ever again no matter what the circumstances... fine, as a coach that's his right, but if that's the case then get this man traded or buy him out & let him pursue a living someplace else... stop making him into a spectacle on the bench cuz it doesn't reflect positively on our franchise.


Hi TMS pal,
I agreed with all you said.
I also mentioned Nate has always had maturity problems but no one ever questioned his desire to BALL and win. He plays hard
usually every nite regardless of outcome. I agree if playing Nate or someone else gives Knicks a chance to win a tough game
that is the point. I think MDA at times let fans know he was tired of all the Nate chants at the Garden home losses early
and also wasnt interested in playing Nate which at times seem to get personal after 2 wks. I think MDA made his point and
even Nate says last night after leading Knicks to win over HAWKs (21 - 10 ?) with 41pts Nate says it was a humbling experience
but he remained positive.

MDA went to Nate and he had a great game leading Knicks back to a win over a good team.

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1/2/2010  1:54 PM
orangeblobman wrote:Give break to me, and get the heck out of town.

What anyone has to complain about with Mike D is mystery to me. Compare the situation now to the situation before Mike D and Donnie got here. He is immune from all hate until next season, assuming we pick up an awesome free agent.

You think Isiah was better??? Geeze Louise.

Still cant figure out what I. Zeke Thomas got to do with this post. Zeke was bad and there been no mention comparing coaches
which is absurd.

RESPECT ..the posters right to agree to disagree.

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1/2/2010  2:15 PM
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TMS wrote:i'd respect MDA's methods a lot more if he weren't such a phoney sometimes... stop the BS Mike.

Man you really are nitpicking when it comes to MDA. Coaches in general get into giving the media something to chew on, but not really always how they feel. ...There's still a chance that Nate get's back in the rotation and I hope that he has improved on his D and team play, so that he can have a positive impact in helping us get more wins.

Howdy
like to clarify my intent wasnt about to have Nate R. get back into rotation it was intented
to teach, grow and learn. The intent was also to help with minutes occasionally to help NYK
players from breaking down especially when they were playing poorly in their overalll play
as we seen from Gallo, Duhon and Al Harrington in long stretches even W.Chandler has lots of
clunkers.

But MDA is developing Chandler and Gallo, so why not Nate? Nate does not have to play each night.
I mention also Knicks are not there yet or GOOD enough to set 6-7 rotations indefinitie thru all
season. The shorter rotation is good and I say is if a player is having horrid week you bring some
one in to give them a spark.

Nate is no Marbury (horrid seed) and he is here this 2009/10 season. Until he's cut OR traded which I
expect use him ? why not ? he makes nba salary. I want to win games. We got NO draft picks 2010

Sure he's not always the answer If Nate acts up or breaks plays then you sit him again.
I dont think Nate need to be firm in rotation to help Knicks. He needs to grow and develop and
that is my only gripe with MDA whom only came here last yr

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1/2/2010  2:35 PM
rmears718 wrote:Great post!!!...The "chosen" 7 or 8 player rotation is physically wearing out @ the end of games & this team is simply not equipped or talented enough to play a shortened rotation. Please Donnie - implore your coach to lengthen the rotation & incorporate the rookies before the season is out of reach.

Good One !
agree the playa's here all running outta gas

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1/2/2010  2:47 PM
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DJMUSIC wrote:
JohnWallace44 wrote:Your posting privileges should be revoked.

Do not thing that remark was called for

Listen I am happy they are winning and how its going but if anyone thinks for 1 sec we really have a PG
here in Chris Duhon as a leader and starter whom makes difference then I guess we're doing better than
I am seeing.

You try to win the game
making remarks he'd rather play Satan than Nate isnt right.

I hear what you're saying about using what he got and the success knicks recently had especially at home msg,

However no one is ever going to convince me Mike saying he'd play satan is the right professional remark to make
you try to win the game. Chandler and Harrington does their thing on the wing are far too much rather hoist than
go to basket when Knicks are in games tight games that could go in their favor.

I Guess Nate is only one that cant play Defense since he got here so perhaps Knicks should cut him.
AI would have not been good enough here either.

Our winning team is Chandler, the consisten David Lee (whom plays D these days), Harrington and Duhon.

Lost souls Larry Hughes, Bender and Jarred Jeffries are consistently inconsistent & are those other role players on
this team whom likely wont be here next year.

Its understandable you win with defense so Knicks play it now better without Nate Robinson on court
better than anyone else in their conference at least to D'Antoni. We'll see how this team does in 2010
personally I think team is gonna break down playing 6-7 guys whom have played better but isnt there yet.

I dont believe NY is good enough to play 6-7 guys seven to eigth weeks in a row without some probability for
injury. Early in the year Duhon was the guy entire NY want to run out of town cause he STUNK. He's doing better
now but aint the answer in a long season. Not enough as_sists, not enough pts, not enough defense and not enough
timely jumpers by Duhon as starter PG like the rest of Knickerbocker team.

Guess later on that will be Nate Robinson's fault also when D'Antoni calls his number in March 2010

Are you just spewing random rants with a spattering of "whom"s or are you trying to make a case for something? You are entitled to any opinion but why post threads calling people names? Who sits who plays is MDAs decision he is doing what he think is best. If you know better go apply for his job. Most coaches in the NBA have team to work with we had given MDA a lose bunch of prospects and has beens with no identity. Out of that he has created a neucleus of people who are playing moderately good team defense and trying hard to win. Do you have any appreciation for how hard that is to do????

He came to team where the players openly ridiculed the last two coaches do you see that going on? Can you ever give people credit for what they do instead of this incessant whining?

In a year and a couple of months we have gone from the dregs of the NBA to a halfway respectable team that can hang with some of the better teams because of good defense. But no all you can think about is stupid effing Nate Robinson. We are not going to win the title even with Lebron in 2011 there is enough time to play the young players later on. Right now the coach is trying to build a "TEAM" and selfish pricks like Nate Robinson...

Wow more new words like pr_cks and all said here This was a simple post opinion.
lol, nothing more nothing less. But all this cussing and rise in blood pressure
resulted *grins. Listen brother we're all Knicks fans.

You read some comments it seem like MDA made Knicks 30 - 3 instead of 13-20.

Didnt know saying MDA is A_Hole was going to be so very upsetting. Remarkable.

maybe I should offer a pedigree instead of an opinion regarding MDA. No one ever mentioned critique on MDA track record or coaching
abilities.

Triple H
pedigree

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1/2/2010  3:23 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/2/2010  3:30 PM
TMS wrote:
nixluva wrote:
TMS wrote:& how many damn times do i have to tell u what my problem is with MDA anyway? u just looking for an argument here or do u want an exchange of viewpoints? if u want me to give it a rest stop asking for me to repeat the same things to you to explain my point... i don't like bullsh!t slingers... IMO MDA slings a lot of bullsh!t... if u wanna keep on making ur moronic assumptions about my feelings on MDA's coaching ability even after i've told u time & time again i like him as our coach then maybe u oughta put me on ignore... liking a coach doesn't mean ur not allowed to call him out when he deserves it.

OK TMS I'm callin you on your B.S. cuz I don't see what your argument against MDA really is. What kind of point do you really have to make about a coach that is pushing all the right buttons at this point? You want to call him on the carpet for statements to the damn MEDIA! Man give me a freakin break. Top coachea have done similar things for years and it really hasn't meant a dang thing. YOu don't have a valid point. It's petty and totally insignificant. Who but you and maybe a few others here really cares about his statements to the media? In the end all that really matters is how this team plays. Call me when you have something of value to say about his actual coaching.

really is no point in debating anything with you cuz you will take the homer stance on every topic every time without fail... not everyone sees everything as hunky dory all the time like u do... if i have a problem w/the comments MDA makes to the media, i have that right... who the hell are you to call my points invalid, petty & insignificant? you keep wanting to make this about MDA's coaching, it's weird... not once have i ever dissed MDA's coaching ability... all i've ever had to say were positive things about MDA's coaching ability... i've consistently said i've supported Donnie Walsh's decision to hire MDA & am glad he's our head coach... i've told u these things numerous times but apparently reading comprehension is not your strong point.

People aren't listening this isnt all about Nate
TMS made clear and valid remarks regarding the post and like mines its all an opinion.

Look simply,
Is Phil Jackson or Kobe A-Hole's? perhaps I think at least one of them are validly
however is Phil Jackson a good /great coach ? is Kobe a future Hall of Famer top 20 alltime ?

I say of course both will be hall of fame credited and both considered the best at what they've done
no argument ever.

You can be successful and be questioned at times there is truth to that.

Mentioning anything negative OR positive on MDA is no big thing
If he chose to play rookies or not to play rookies or Nate Robinson ain't no huge thing either.

Do I think he goes out of his way to make points ? Didnt Larry Brown do that ?

Hey for all the LB haters (i dreaded the Ariza trade) at Least horrible Larry won a NBA title.

When MDA wins a NBA or Basketball title like he done in Europe we'll all have opinions.
Maybe then I'll re-consider and drop the A _hole tag. I never ever said I dont like or
respect MDA as Knick coach especially Walsh hiring.

I've always supported Walsh and MDA before even with the so so draft of J.Hill whom I like
and expect to be a decent NBA player someday.

As far as jerk Marbury do I think Walsh/MDA/Dolan could have handled the Marbury situation differently ?
perhaps .. And listen up I dont even like Marbury it was a great day when Knicks bought his ar_sse out.

Nevertheless I dont believe two wrongs make a right. Do I believe Nate R. is another Marbury fiasco ?
No way as bad as Stephon was to Basketball, fans and the knicks Nate has yet to accomplish the
few things Marbury has. I dont think Marbury and Nate should be joined at the hip as bad ego
guys whom don't care about fans and winning.

Nate at 5' 7 inches the immature Nate has alot to overcome and NBA job isnt easy for even a bigger guy.
Nate isn't also going to get PHD or masters of knowledge and wisdom I know he's been more than fair to NY
fans and his desire for being in New York the mecca.

Keep in mind thru David Lee or Chandlers development they have still made bonehead moves in play and
laspes of things such as toughness on the NBA court. MDA has let it go and helped them so why not nate ?

Then you have a season vet like Al Harrington whom never seen a shot he would pass up and speaking of passes
when does Harrington pass the ball ? or avoid stupid plays in crucial games ? Nate R isnt alone with the
foolishness.

REST OF NBA
Not alot of guys even with more talent and skills want any part of NYK or basketball here. When they do
its all for the $$$. My thing is if MDA is so cool and good then let him teach Nate to be better man
person, player and all of the good things for his profession.

Most of Nate's issues is nate. But if you get exiled in MDA's system its as good as kicking you to curb
or into the sea without life support. Nate needs a bit of help. What's wrong with a coach helping on that ?
Especially a coach as great as MDA reputation and skillset knowledge.

-just an opinion...

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1/2/2010  3:36 PM
Most of Nate's issues is nate. But if you get exiled in MDA's system its as good as kicking you to curb
or into the sea without life support. Nate needs a bit of help. What's wrong with a coach helping on that ?
Especially a coach as great as MDA reputation and skillset knowledge.

MDA tried to help him a bunch. Before last year he said he could lead the league in steals, all types of praise. With MDA's reputation as a generally great guy, you have to wonder how stupid and ****ed up Nate is to get in his doghouse.

Nate needs to take a little responsibility. Other people can only help you as much as you want to help yourself.

WE AIN'T NOWHERE WITH THIS BUM CHOKER IN CARMELO. GIVE ME STARKS'S 2-21 ANY DAY OVER THIS LACKLUSTER CLUSTEREFF.
Knicks winning but D'Antoni is a A _ _hole

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