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12/27/2009  8:47 PM
playa2 wrote:He's starting to mix it up and that's good, that's what I saw on the videos. But have you notice one he mix's it up he doesn't shoot 3's as well ?

holy crap, we better launch an investigation because a 20 year old player is playing inconsistent in what's really his rookie year.

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12/27/2009  8:48 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/27/2009  8:49 PM
playa2 wrote:He's starting to mix it up and that's good, that's what I saw on the videos. But have you notice one he mix's it up he doesn't shoot 3's as well ?

shooting's all about rhythm & feel... when he's driving to the lane maybe it takes away a bit of his timing on his shot? or maybe he starts thinking drive mode & has a tough time getting back into the shooting mode? who knows... i do agree tho his perimeter J didn't look as fluid tonight as it has in the past, but like nyk4ever pointed out, he's young & will have off nights shooting just like any young player will, or any shooter for that matter

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12/27/2009  8:51 PM
nyk4ever wrote:
playa2 wrote:He's starting to mix it up and that's good, that's what I saw on the videos. But have you notice one he mix's it up he doesn't shoot 3's as well ?

holy crap, we better launch an investigation because a 20 year old player is playing inconsistent in what's really his rookie year.

i still contend that Gallo's is not nearly in NBA prime shape. Kinda understandable. I can't wait for a full summer of work.

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12/27/2009  8:54 PM
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playa2 wrote:He's starting to mix it up and that's good, that's what I saw on the videos. But have you notice one he mix's it up he doesn't shoot 3's as well ?

holy crap, we better launch an investigation because a 20 year old player is playing inconsistent in what's really his rookie year.

i still contend that Gallo's is not nearly in NBA prime shape. Kinda understandable. I can't wait for a full summer of work.

I would think youre right. He didn't play in summer league because he was still recovering, so I'm assuming over the summer he really didn't have a chance to be lifting weights and doing a whole lot of running. As you said, with a full summer of work, we should see 100% of Gallo's game next year, instead of the 75-80% we're seeing right now.

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12/27/2009  9:02 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/27/2009  9:03 PM
If he has an injury next yr working out to hard , we will have to wait until 2011...you guys crack me up .

He is what he is, the guy has played pro ball since he was 16. Give it a break, he is what he is.

Hopefully he will continue to get better until then, go by what he does and not what you project him to be, we are able to watch him every game. After 82 holla

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12/27/2009  9:04 PM
playa2 wrote:If he has an injury next yr working out to hard , we will have to wait until 2011...you guys crack me up .

He is what he is, the guy has played pro ball since he was 16. Give it a break, he is what he is.

Hopefully he will continue to get better until then, go by what he does and not what you project him to be, we are able to watch him every game. After 82 holla

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12/27/2009  9:44 PM
nyk4ever wrote:hey mck1 and playa.. that 'one-trick pony' gallo went to the line 12 times tonight.. averaging 7 FT's a game over his last 5.

ummm...ok...you included me in this statement because

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12/27/2009  9:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/27/2009  9:51 PM
TMS wrote:of course you would... so would i... but that's cuz OJ Mayo's not a shooter, he's a penetrate & slash guy who scores getting into the lane & works the midrange game... shooting 3's is not his forte... u want ur players to play to their strengths, not their weaknesses... that's my point... it's like wanting Fishlips to start taking more shots instead of passing off to open teammates when u know he can't hit the side of the rim even on a point blank layup attempt & asking him to spend more energy trying to score & less on trying to draw charges in the lane... why would u want ur players to go away from the things they do well is my point.

the 3 is all guys like Q Rich and Jason Kapono are. Gallinari has shown he is a 6'10 playmaker with a brilliant shooting stroke out to 3. Its not about him taking the shot but its hi overreliance of it for the majority of his O that is disturbing.

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Mayo is very much a shooter. guy had pro range in the 9th grade.

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12/27/2009  10:08 PM
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TMS wrote:of course you would... so would i... but that's cuz OJ Mayo's not a shooter, he's a penetrate & slash guy who scores getting into the lane & works the midrange game... shooting 3's is not his forte... u want ur players to play to their strengths, not their weaknesses... that's my point... it's like wanting Fishlips to start taking more shots instead of passing off to open teammates when u know he can't hit the side of the rim even on a point blank layup attempt & asking him to spend more energy trying to score & less on trying to draw charges in the lane... why would u want ur players to go away from the things they do well is my point.

the 3 is all guys like Q Rich and Jason Kapono are. Gallinari has shown he is a 6'10 playmaker with a brilliant shooting stroke out to 3. Its not about him taking the shot but its hi overreliance of it for the majority of his O that is disturbing.

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Mayo is very much a shooter. guy had pro range in the 9th grade.

Mayo's more of a scorer than a shooter... shooting is not his main thing... he's shooting 34% from 3 pt range this season... having range doesn't make someone a shooter... Duhon can hit from 30 feet, is he a shooter?

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12/27/2009  10:20 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/27/2009  10:20 PM
TMS wrote:
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TMS wrote:of course you would... so would i... but that's cuz OJ Mayo's not a shooter, he's a penetrate & slash guy who scores getting into the lane & works the midrange game... shooting 3's is not his forte... u want ur players to play to their strengths, not their weaknesses... that's my point... it's like wanting Fishlips to start taking more shots instead of passing off to open teammates when u know he can't hit the side of the rim even on a point blank layup attempt & asking him to spend more energy trying to score & less on trying to draw charges in the lane... why would u want ur players to go away from the things they do well is my point.

the 3 is all guys like Q Rich and Jason Kapono are. Gallinari has shown he is a 6'10 playmaker with a brilliant shooting stroke out to 3. Its not about him taking the shot but its hi overreliance of it for the majority of his O that is disturbing.

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Mayo is very much a shooter. guy had pro range in the 9th grade.

Mayo's more of a scorer than a shooter... shooting is not his main thing... he's shooting 34% from 3 pt range this season... having range doesn't make someone a shooter... Duhon can hit from 30 feet, is he a shooter?

73% of his shots are jumpers and he is shooting 45.6% on the season. Dunno what you consider a shooter but thats what I consider one.

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12/27/2009  10:28 PM
McK1 wrote:
TMS wrote:
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TMS wrote:of course you would... so would i... but that's cuz OJ Mayo's not a shooter, he's a penetrate & slash guy who scores getting into the lane & works the midrange game... shooting 3's is not his forte... u want ur players to play to their strengths, not their weaknesses... that's my point... it's like wanting Fishlips to start taking more shots instead of passing off to open teammates when u know he can't hit the side of the rim even on a point blank layup attempt & asking him to spend more energy trying to score & less on trying to draw charges in the lane... why would u want ur players to go away from the things they do well is my point.

the 3 is all guys like Q Rich and Jason Kapono are. Gallinari has shown he is a 6'10 playmaker with a brilliant shooting stroke out to 3. Its not about him taking the shot but its hi overreliance of it for the majority of his O that is disturbing.

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Mayo is very much a shooter. guy had pro range in the 9th grade.

Mayo's more of a scorer than a shooter... shooting is not his main thing... he's shooting 34% from 3 pt range this season... having range doesn't make someone a shooter... Duhon can hit from 30 feet, is he a shooter?

73% of his shots are jumpers and he is shooting 45.6% on the season. Dunno what you consider a shooter but thats what I consider one.

to me it's like the Bernard King vs Allan Houston comparison... i label Allan Houston a shooter... i label Bernard King a scorer... there's a subtle difference there but IMO there is a difference... i classify Gallo as a shooter like Allan... he'll spot up for most of his shots & get open by running off screens... he has the ability to put it on the floor like Houston did but guys like Mayo & King create more for themselves & score in a variety of ways... just cuz most of Mayo's shots are jumpshots doesn't tell u how he's getting off those shots... alot of times he's the one with the ball in his hands & he's asked to get off a shot... Gallo doesn't score like this predominantly, he's getting off his shots getting kickouts from Hughes or Duhon or when guys collapse on Lee on the P&R.

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12/27/2009  10:33 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/27/2009  10:33 PM
TMS wrote:Gallo doesn't score like this predominantly, he's getting off his shots getting kickouts from Hughes or Duhon or when guys collapse on Lee on the P&R.

problem with how this team is run in a nutshell. Gallo should be creating for those 2 stiffs and not vice versa

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12/27/2009  10:42 PM
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TMS wrote:Gallo doesn't score like this predominantly, he's getting off his shots getting kickouts from Hughes or Duhon or when guys collapse on Lee on the P&R.

problem with how this team is run in a nutshell. Gallo should be creating for those 2 stiffs and not vice versa

i disagree... Gallo's handle is not as good as Duhon or Hughes, nor is he as quick... at his height & length he's nowhere near the ballhandler that someone like KG is, so u can't expect him to be the orchestrator of an offense... Gallo is best used like he's being used right now... we just need a capable PG who can break down a defense consistently & make them respect his ability to penetrate & drive the lane so he draws defenders his way... he also needs to be able to dish the ball to Gallo when he's open off his penetration, which right now Duhon is not really good at doing... everytime Duhon has the ball it's like watching a 2 on 5 game... it's him & D Lee running the P&R & everyone else is left out twiddling their thumbs... there's no variety in our offense.

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12/27/2009  10:48 PM
TMS wrote:
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TMS wrote:Gallo doesn't score like this predominantly, he's getting off his shots getting kickouts from Hughes or Duhon or when guys collapse on Lee on the P&R.

problem with how this team is run in a nutshell. Gallo should be creating for those 2 stiffs and not vice versa

i disagree... Gallo's handle is not as good as Duhon or Hughes, nor is he as quick... at his height & length he's nowhere near the ballhandler that someone like KG is, so u can't expect him to be the orchestrator of an offense... Gallo is best used like he's being used right now... we just need a capable PG who can break down a defense consistently & make them respect his ability to penetrate & drive the lane so he draws defenders his way... he also needs to be able to dish the ball to Gallo when he's open off his penetration, which right now Duhon is not really good at doing... everytime Duhon has the ball it's like watching a 2 on 5 game... it's him & D Lee running the P&R & everyone else is left out twiddling their thumbs... there's no variety in our offense.

We must watch two different Italians cuz Gallo's handles are excellent. He got fouled several times on dribble drives pass smaller players today. He can make every pass that stiff Duhon can and probably a few he can't.

having Gallinari spot up and play off dudee and hughes is a gross misuse of his skill set. gallinari could easily avg 5 assists a gam to go with the shooting and scoring if they ran the O through him like did with Diaw in Phoenix.

duhon really shouldn't leave the bench area at all.

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12/27/2009  11:09 PM
McK1 wrote:
TMS wrote:Gallo doesn't score like this predominantly, he's getting off his shots getting kickouts from Hughes or Duhon or when guys collapse on Lee on the P&R.

problem with how this team is run in a nutshell. Gallo should be creating for those 2 stiffs and not vice versa


funny, you say that. I agree first of all.. tonight, gallo gave jeffries a nice feed to the basket. a look away left handed bouncer that led jeffries right to the hoop for an easy layup.. to get jeffries an easy layup is a major feat within itself....... LOL..

I think gallo is a slick passer and sees the court a lot better than duhon, who is so reliant on pick and roll, and can't do anything else outside of that.. except hand it so harrington.

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12/27/2009  11:12 PM
TMS wrote:
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TMS wrote:Gallo doesn't score like this predominantly, he's getting off his shots getting kickouts from Hughes or Duhon or when guys collapse on Lee on the P&R.

problem with how this team is run in a nutshell. Gallo should be creating for those 2 stiffs and not vice versa

i disagree... Gallo's handle is not as good as Duhon or Hughes, nor is he as quick... at his height & length he's nowhere near the ballhandler that someone like KG is, so u can't expect him to be the orchestrator of an offense... Gallo is best used like he's being used right now... we just need a capable PG who can break down a defense consistently & make them respect his ability to penetrate & drive the lane so he draws defenders his way... he also needs to be able to dish the ball to Gallo when he's open off his penetration, which right now Duhon is not really good at doing... everytime Duhon has the ball it's like watching a 2 on 5 game... it's him & D Lee running the P&R & everyone else is left out twiddling their thumbs... there's no variety in our offense.

gallo's handle is more than adequate... I think in this case we need to examine decision making.. Hughes can be good at times, but duhon seems so limited, and when he has no one to pass to, he is not a great offensive option.. having the ball in the hands of a guy like gallo in more situations to create gives us better options, especially if gallo has to end up taking the shot..

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12/27/2009  11:15 PM
I notice the arguments are subtly changing from a guy that is a one trick pony that can only shoot jumpers to a guy with talent that is shooting too many jumpers. It's a subtle switch but it's there.

You guys are clearly overanalyzing. Gallo is a jumpshooter and always will be. Only NYers think that's a bad thing. The league is adjusting and taking away his bread and butter 3 point shot. Gallo is adjusting and going to the line on a regular basis as he takes the ball to the hole. Only in NY is this a bad thing. If he was Kapono his numbers would be going down not up as his 3 point shot was taken away. Only in NY is this a bad thing.

The guy is in his 1st full year and showing some seious ability. Will he be a star? Maybe not. Regardless he's showing some real ability and improving daily. Only in NY is this a bad thing.

His name can be mentioned in the same sentence with anyone in his draft.Only in NY is this a bad thing.

He's two years in the NBA. He shoots too many threes. Slowly he's taking it too the hoop more. Getting too the line and diversifying his game. Don't miss the development with your agendas and overaanalyzation. It's happening right in front of your eyes. Try enjoying it.

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12/27/2009  11:27 PM
Bippity10 wrote:I notice the McK1's arguments are subtly changing from a guy that is a one trick pony that can only shoot jumpers to a guy with talent that is shooting too many jumpers. It's a subtle switch but it's there.

You guys McK1 are is clearly overanalyzing. Gallo is a jumpshooter and always will be just like TMS has previously mentioned. Only NYers McK1 thinks that's a bad thing. The league is adjusting and taking away his bread and butter 3 point shot. Gallo is adjusting and going to the line on a regular basis as he takes the ball to the hole like TMS alluded to. Only in NY to McK1 is this a bad thing. If he was Kapono his numbers would be going down not up as his 3 point shot was taken away. Only in NY to McK1 is this a bad thing.

The guy is in his 1st full year and showing some serious ability. Will he be a star? Maybe not. Regardless he's showing some real ability and improving daily. Only in NY to McK1 is this a bad thing.

His name can be mentioned in the same sentence with anyone in his draft. Only in NY to McK1 is this a bad thing.

He's two years in the NBA. He shoots too many threes cuz that's what he does best. Slowly he's taking it too the hoop more. Getting to the line and diversifying his game. Don't miss the development with your agendas and overaanalyzation McK1. It's happening right in front of your eyes. Try enjoying it.

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12/27/2009  11:40 PM
TMS wrote:
Bippity10 wrote:I notice the McK1's arguments are subtly changing from a guy that is a one trick pony that can only shoot jumpers to a guy with talent that is shooting too many jumpers. It's a subtle switch but it's there.

You guys McK1 are is clearly overanalyzing. Gallo is a jumpshooter and always will be just like TMS has previously mentioned. Only NYers McK1 thinks that's a bad thing. The league is adjusting and taking away his bread and butter 3 point shot. Gallo is adjusting and going to the line on a regular basis as he takes the ball to the hole like TMS alluded to. Only in NY to McK1 is this a bad thing. If he was Kapono his numbers would be going down not up as his 3 point shot was taken away. Only in NY to McK1 is this a bad thing.

The guy is in his 1st full year and showing some serious ability. Will he be a star? Maybe not. Regardless he's showing some real ability and improving daily. Only in NY to McK1 is this a bad thing.

His name can be mentioned in the same sentence with anyone in his draft. Only in NY to McK1 is this a bad thing.

He's two years in the NBA. He shoots too many threes cuz that's what he does best. Slowly he's taking it too the hoop more. Getting to the line and diversifying his game. Don't miss the development with your agendas and overaanalyzation McK1. It's happening right in front of your eyes. Try enjoying it.

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you are funny

the 1 trick pony quote came from some sheridan article and was a discussion picked up by playa.

no way i can flip flop on a send closked 2 pages worth of posts. its been my contention in this and the other thread gallo should get off the 3 line and show his all around
game. he did it tonight and it was a pleasure to watch. still fubar'ed that last touch with a rushed off balance 3 but he has been wired bad by and its gonna take a real coach like Avery to fix.

til then lets just agree hill is garbage til proven otherwise and move on

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12/27/2009  11:47 PM
i've never agreed that Hill was garbage... that's something you made up in your head & won't be convinced otherwise... the only thing we agree on is that Branden Jennings was 1 of the most talented prospects going into this draft.
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