orangeblobman wrote:

Marv wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

Marv wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

Marv wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

Marv wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:you shake a tree, angry animals fall out of it.

son you should wear a helmet when you climb trees. you're taking too many blows to the head.

i can afford 3 lifetimes worth of severe brain damage, and i still know what i type about.

well you got about 2.5x so far, i'd go a bit easy.

those like me, they don't lose that easily.

you gotta give eddy some of that confidence. maybe a mind meld, or a buttock-to-buttock transfusion or something.

hey, jokes aside, you get eddy to talk to me for 15 minutes, he average 16/9 this season and he all star next year.

i personally guarantee that.

what are you gonna tell him, that you and dave are waiting for him in the car?

no, i tell him how it is, i tell him he's weak, and i tell him what he has to do to win. i make clear the philsophy of a winner.

are you a naturalized citizen? would you enlist? we could use you in afghanistan. like tonight.

orangeblobman wrote:

Marv wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

Marv wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

Marv wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

Marv wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

Marv wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:you shake a tree, angry animals fall out of it.

son you should wear a helmet when you climb trees. you're taking too many blows to the head.

i can afford 3 lifetimes worth of severe brain damage, and i still know what i type about.

well you got about 2.5x so far, i'd go a bit easy.

those like me, they don't lose that easily.

you gotta give eddy some of that confidence. maybe a mind meld, or a buttock-to-buttock transfusion or something.

hey, jokes aside, you get eddy to talk to me for 15 minutes, he average 16/9 this season and he all star next year.

i personally guarantee that.

what are you gonna tell him, that you and dave are waiting for him in the car?

no, i tell him how it is, i tell him he's weak, and i tell him what he has to do to win. i make clear the philsophy of a winner.

are you a naturalized citizen? would you enlist? we could use you in afghanistan. like tonight.

yes, and i can't answer this. is too political and too deep.

i understand. don't forget you can always call dj to discuss any of this stuff. any hour.

orangeblobman wrote:

Marv wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

Marv wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

Marv wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

Marv wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

Marv wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:

Marv wrote:

orangeblobman wrote:you shake a tree, angry animals fall out of it.

son you should wear a helmet when you climb trees. you're taking too many blows to the head.

i can afford 3 lifetimes worth of severe brain damage, and i still know what i type about.

well you got about 2.5x so far, i'd go a bit easy.

those like me, they don't lose that easily.

you gotta give eddy some of that confidence. maybe a mind meld, or a buttock-to-buttock transfusion or something.

hey, jokes aside, you get eddy to talk to me for 15 minutes, he average 16/9 this season and he all star next year.

i personally guarantee that.

what are you gonna tell him, that you and dave are waiting for him in the car?

no, i tell him how it is, i tell him he's weak, and i tell him what he has to do to win. i make clear the philsophy of a winner.

are you a naturalized citizen? would you enlist? we could use you in afghanistan. like tonight.

yes, and i can't answer this. is too political and too deep.

i understand. don't forget you can always call dj to discuss any of this stuff. any hour.

is ok, i pass. dj good person though, just misguided brain.

one day, you all learn from me what it is to be winner.

yeah he is misguided. i think his dance lessons are helping though.

djsunyc wrote:right b/c a 2nd year player is solely responsible for a team's record.

there is no correlation. the nets have no vets. if the nets had hughes + harrington, there's a good chance they are .500 at this point.

the knicks are competetive b/c of hughes + harrington + lee - gallo is the supplemental player to this squad.

i knew you guys would bring up record. that has nothing to do with this conversation.

the issue i disagree with is that brook lopez already has hit his ceiling in his 2nd year...where this supposed ceiling is pretty darn good. meanwhile gallo is this demi-god that has no boundaries...one of the greatest ever when that's based on nothing but hope and dreams.

not just him, you have CDR, lee, T-will. I mean would you not say that brook is probably the best of that bunch? well he may not be soley responsible for the 0-18, but he does shoulder a lot of the blame.. because had that same team started out 18-2, you would be claiming he was leading them to victory.. Honestly, how many young core's in the NBA have been that bad?

you say, you knew I would bring up record and it has nothing to do with this conversation? it sure as hell does.. it has everything to do with this conversation.. you can't have it both ways man.. lopez is putting up those numbers because he is the focal point of that team, he is getting all the minutes and all the chances to do good or bad. so if you are going to point out his numbers, then you have to look at the record as well.....

the issue i disagree with is that brook lopez already has hit his ceiling in his 2nd year...where this supposed ceiling is pretty darn good. meanwhile gallo is this demi-god that has no boundaries...one of the greatest ever when that's based on nothing but hope and dreams.

ok, you dissagree, but I think people look at brook and although he has good numbers the guy seems to just be ordinary in a lot of areas, can he get better. yes! but I just don't see the tools of a guy who is going to excel at anything, but again, that is just my opinion...

tkf wrote:

TMS wrote:

djsunyc wrote:lol @ all of you idiots.

lopez is averaging 19.2 pts and 9.1 rebs with 2.2 blks on a team with a young pg and no starting caliber 2/3/4.

will gallo ever average 19.2 ppg in a season? he has the system and the coach that encourages scoring...

but until he does, stop saying lopez has a ceiling...

agreed, u can't call Lopez a limited upside prospect & then say Gallo's got unlimited potential in the same breathe... what 2nd year player is putting up stats like Lopez is right now?... if Jordan Hill were to put up stats like that in his 2nd season we'd be hyping him like there's no tomorrow... let's be fair in our projections for these kids... Lopez is an excellent looking young prospect, & so is Gallo... right now, it's pretty obvious that Lopez is more advanced in his development... who has more upside at this point is anyone's guess.

fair enough.... but by watching certain players play, I think you can get a sense of one's upside... but hey, that debate can go on and on..

i think u can get a feel of a guy's potential, sure... but u can't define it & say with any sort of certainty how good a young player will or won't be... it's all just best guesses we're giving here... i don't think we need to be making comparisons at this point anyway, this stuff only appeases those who wanna justify the Gallo pick at #6, or those who still maintain it was a bad choice... alot of us, including myself, had other choices in mind when it was our turn to pick, but we don't waste time arguing about woulda, coulda & shoulda... let's focus on what we do have & let the Nets worry about Brook Lopez... all i know is Gallinari is a damn good looking young prospect & i'm happy as hell to have him... i know u share the same feelings too.

tkf wrote:

djsunyc wrote:right b/c a 2nd year player is solely responsible for a team's record.

there is no correlation. the nets have no vets. if the nets had hughes + harrington, there's a good chance they are .500 at this point.

the knicks are competetive b/c of hughes + harrington + lee - gallo is the supplemental player to this squad.

i knew you guys would bring up record. that has nothing to do with this conversation.

the issue i disagree with is that brook lopez already has hit his ceiling in his 2nd year...where this supposed ceiling is pretty darn good. meanwhile gallo is this demi-god that has no boundaries...one of the greatest ever when that's based on nothing but hope and dreams.

not just him, you have CDR, lee, T-will. I mean would you not say that brook is probably the best of that bunch? well he may not be soley responsible for the 0-18, but he does shoulder a lot of the blame.. because had that same team started out 18-2, you would be claiming he was leading them to victory.. Honestly, how many young core's in the NBA have been that bad?

you say, you knew I would bring up record and it has nothing to do with this conversation? it sure as hell does.. it has everything to do with this conversation.. you can't have it both ways man.. lopez is putting up those numbers because he is the focal point of that team, he is getting all the minutes and all the chances to do good or bad. so if you are going to point out his numbers, then you have to look at the record as well.....

the issue i disagree with is that brook lopez already has hit his ceiling in his 2nd year...where this supposed ceiling is pretty darn good. meanwhile gallo is this demi-god that has no boundaries...one of the greatest ever when that's based on nothing but hope and dreams.

ok, you dissagree, but I think people look at brook and although he has good numbers the guy seems to just be ordinary in a lot of areas, can he get better. yes! but I just don't see the tools of a guy who is going to excel at anything, but again, that is just my opinion...

sorry man...no way does record indicate anything here. their record is not an indication of their young guys talent level. it ain't easy to win in the nba without vets. if hughes + harrington aren't playing like this, the knicks have 0 wins.

nixluva wrote:I never said Lopez won't get any better but his ceiling is far lower than Gallo. Who do you think Lopez is, Duncan? He's good but let's get real. Is he really any better than a lot of decent bigs who've come into the league and flat lined at OK, but not scary? Where is this next level of growth gonna come from? He's not getting any faster or more athletic! He already has considerable skills and size which is why he's doing what he is so far.

Gallo has an eFG% of .587 and Lopez is at .493. When Gallo starts to take more shots per game as he should, he's gonna be a far more potent player offensively. Lopez being a true center has his value and it's considerable. I just think Gallo can reach Dirk like level at some point in his career. By the way Dirk's eFG% is .489.

i dunno if Lopez is the next Duncan any more than u know if Gallo is the next Dirk... we're all just guessing at this point... i happen to think Gallo will be a very good player & have said so ever since I started viewing tapes on him after we picked him up... but until he takes the next step in his progress & reaches that level, it's all just guessing we're doing here, nothing more.

TMS wrote:so let me get this straight... a 7 foot C who's all of 21 years old & already averaging close to 20 & 10 w/2 blocks in only his 2nd year in the NBA has a limited ceiling in your eyes, but Gallo doesn't? i love Gallo as much as the next guy but i'm sorry, i just don't see any justification for that type of logic... again, if Jordan Hill were putting up Lopez-like numbers next year, we'd be gizzing in our pants right about now... we all rail about double standards on these forums that the naysayers consistently use to downtalk our own prospects while hyping up the ones on other teams, but it also has to work the other way... both these kids have tremendous upsides if u ask me, i couldn't even begin to guess who will end up being the better player in the longrun at this point, & tell u the truth i don't even care... i'm happy that we have Gallo, & that's good enough for me.

I'm saying that Lopez has the ability to improve, but I don't see him improving to an elite level. No one that I know of would say that they think he's gonna be great. He can be really good, but I don't see what part of his game will improve enough to allow him to reach the elite level. With Gallo I already see the areas that should improve that would allow him to get to that elite level some day. He's got that kind of upside. Some said he's another Peja coming into the draft, but you can see he has far more to his game than that and this is just what he's shown after 50 games many of which he played in pain and now still recovering!

Again this is not a statement that he WILL reach his full potential, but I believe his ceiling is higher than Lopez. Again Lopez is taking 14 shots a game and I think for him that's a pretty good number of shots. I don't see him being a 20 shot a game guy, whereas I can see a point where Gallo could approach that level. Usually only the elite players are allowed to take a ton of shots and there's a reason you want them doing that. Gallo IMO could one day warrant that kind of respect.