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12/4/2009  3:18 PM
MS wrote:The Rockets need a big and Curry if he plays is a plus but Hill is the key to the deal. They have lowry, brooks, and ariza so there is no need for any other player on our roster.

Hill would be an obvious upgrade over Chuck Hayes at C but i think they'll be looking more for a player who's more seasoned & ready to help them contend for a playoff berth this season... i would think offering Lee & Curry would be more attractive to them than the package u wanna offer anyway, cuz at least they know they'd be getting a guy who will come in & give u double doubles right off the bat regardless if Curry is healthy enough to play or not... & i'd much rather trade Lee to dump Curry than using Jordan Hill.

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12/4/2009  3:19 PM
Marv wrote:
TMS wrote:
MS wrote:Are you on crack? You must be because you're clearing 12+ million off the cap for next season for a guy that may or may not be something in order to bring in a top 5 all time player and an allstar sidekick to pair with three young talents and you could resign David Lee on top of that.

That's an Isiah move alright clear cap to become a championship relevant team again.

there are no guarantees that Lebron & Wade or Bosh will wanna sign w/the Knicks even if we have the cap space to sign them tho... what if Lebron or Bosh decide they want to go play w/Wade in MIA & live near South Beach? obviously the lure of playing in a market like NY will be attractive but there's also drawbacks to playing here too... if those guys decide they wanna come here & you're guaranteed of that then obviously u don't let Jordan Hill keep u from making the deal to make it possible, but the point is it shouldn't take that much to make it possible... T-Mac is a huge question mark healthwise, & even tho he's only an expiring, u still don't want a repeat of the McDyess situation... i know McDyess was signed beyond a single season, but u still gave up a #7 pick (& Camby to boot) to get him here & his knee gave out before he ever produced for us... for a lesser pick like Chandler or TD i don't let them stand in my way of making the deal even w/the questions about where the top FA's decide to play next season, but it shouldn't cost u a top lottery pick to get T-Mac here IMO.

whoa. anyone notice tms didn't deny being on crack?!?!?

yo, it be callin' me man!

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12/4/2009  3:54 PM
Sometimes I don't even know why it's worth explaining this. But the Rockets are not trading for Eddy's contract without an incentive. That incentive is Hill they don't have a need for anyone else on the roster. They are trying to build a team and he is a nice piece for them. We are not making the trade to get McGrady, this is not a dice situation, who gives a **** if he ever plays. Curry has 11 million coming to him Hill has 3 million next season. McGrady expires and we have 14 million in additional cap room which gets you a max free agent:

The Knicke young core: Gallo, Douglas, Chandler, max 1, max 2, jefferies, player at 7-8 million (Lee? Foye? Lowry? Felton?) and veteran minimum signings for a player that wants a ring

Lebron maybe the best player to ever play this game. He is better than Jordan at this stage in his career he doesn't have pippen, horace grant, rodman, armstrong. He has mo williams, a broken down shaq, and role players.

Now he has incentive to leave. Douglas and Gallo shoot lights out, Chandler can guard any position add another superstar and you have a championship contender in the making.
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12/4/2009  3:56 PM
MS wrote:Sometimes I don't even know why it's worth explaining this. But the Rockets are not trading for Eddy's contract without an incentive. That incentive is Hill they don't have a need for anyone else on the roster. They are trying to build a team and he is a nice piece for them. We are not making the trade to get McGrady, this is not a dice situation, who gives a **** if he ever plays. Curry has 11 million coming to him Hill has 3 million next season. McGrady expires and we have 14 million in additional cap room which gets you a max free agent:

The Knicke young core: Gallo, Douglas, Chandler, max 1, max 2, jefferies, player at 7-8 million (Lee? Foye? Lowry? Felton?) and veteran minimum signings for a player that wants a ring

Lebron maybe the best player to ever play this game. He is better than Jordan at this stage in his career he doesn't have pippen, horace grant, rodman, armstrong. He has mo williams, a broken down shaq, and role players.

Now he has incentive to leave. Douglas and Gallo shoot lights out, Chandler can guard any position add another superstar and you have a championship contender in the making.

Oh ok dude. You got it all figured out. Basically we shouldnt even read anyone else's posts on this board except your own since you got it all figured out. Preach on brotha.

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12/4/2009  4:00 PM
VDesai wrote:Shouldn't the thread title have been: "Knicks trying to re-acquire Jerome James"???

or Knicks trying to acquire their non protected 4th round pick from the Curry trade few yrs ago which turned out to be "Tyrus Thomas"

The Future. GO KNICKS!
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12/4/2009  4:05 PM
Well if you are looking at the deal asking question about McGrady I think you may need help. You're comparing this move to an isiah move. again not merrit there. We need cap room for 2 max free agents. Right now Hill is an unknown. Does anything you have seen so far lead you to believe his is going to be a huge difference maker? The answer to that is no. Can he be a nice piece going forward maybe.

If we miss out on Lebron. Then we focus our attention on chris paul? Obviously best case Lebron signs Curry is healthy and we add talent in 2011 when Curry and Jefferies expire. But that is best case which won't happen.
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12/4/2009  4:06 PM
Well one thing if harrington gets traded, gallo can be the go to guy and that my friend is why we drafted him.

Can't wait to see him shine No excuses if Harrington is out of the way.

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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12/4/2009  4:15 PM
MS wrote:Sometimes I don't even know why it's worth explaining this. But the Rockets are not trading for Eddy's contract without an incentive. That incentive is Hill they don't have a need for anyone else on the roster. They are trying to build a team and he is a nice piece for them. We are not making the trade to get McGrady, this is not a dice situation, who gives a **** if he ever plays. Curry has 11 million coming to him Hill has 3 million next season. McGrady expires and we have 14 million in additional cap room which gets you a max free agent:

The Knicke young core: Gallo, Douglas, Chandler, max 1, max 2, jefferies, player at 7-8 million (Lee? Foye? Lowry? Felton?) and veteran minimum signings for a player that wants a ring

Lebron maybe the best player to ever play this game. He is better than Jordan at this stage in his career he doesn't have pippen, horace grant, rodman, armstrong. He has mo williams, a broken down shaq, and role players.

Now he has incentive to leave. Douglas and Gallo shoot lights out, Chandler can guard any position add another superstar and you have a championship contender in the making.

Eddy could help the rockets or any team in need of a center. For ALL of Eddy's shortcomings he is an offensive beast. He just needs some time (yeah that's been said before). But at least he is in great shape and has some desire, albeit for another contract. There is no way you trade away a big young center like Curry, with only one year on the books after this one, AND a lottery pick 4/5 for a broken down McGrady and only one year of cap relief. I just don't see it happening.

We have enough room for one max free agent. Hill could play center for us in time (short time) and you don't trade a lottery big to dump a contract. Before you even consider this you have got to let Curry play some. Then we can revisit this later.

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12/4/2009  4:23 PM
So let's say we get a max guy like Bosh (who can't get the raptors in the playoffs) Joe Johnson, Amare or whatever idiot player thinks he is a superstar where does that get us. A fringe playoff team? We don't have a point guard because Donnie didn't draft one. Essentially we become the Pistons this year with one max guy.

Curry-Hill
Gallo
Chandler-Jefferies
Lebron
Toney Douglas

Is that the worst team in the world obviously not but getting Lebron to come here without curry finishing up the season averaging 15 and 8 is virtually impossible.

There are plenty of lottery picks that don't work out Tyrus Thomas is one of them. I just don't want to watch Miami steal the power forward we need to play with wade because we don't have the money to offer to lebron's sidekick. Chris Bosh does anyone know how he is really? That bothers him. Coming to NY with Lebron makes him one of the biggest stars in the NBA.

I would hate to miss out on the chance because we are hoping Hill becomes what we can sign
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12/4/2009  4:27 PM
Look if Lee can play Center, ANYONE can play Center. Hill with about 15 lbs on him should be able to play respectable Center for stretches. Curry has been sabotaging our efforts to get rid of him for years now. He's got to get back on the floor and actually play. Once we get him going then we can start considering serious options to trade. He has to show he can be an impact player again or we're sunk.
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12/4/2009  5:18 PM
MS wrote:So let's say we get a max guy like Bosh (who can't get the raptors in the playoffs) Joe Johnson, Amare or whatever idiot player thinks he is a superstar where does that get us. A fringe playoff team? We don't have a point guard because Donnie didn't draft one. Essentially we become the Pistons this year with one max guy.

Curry-Hill
Gallo
Chandler-Jefferies
Lebron
Toney Douglas

Is that the worst team in the world obviously not but getting Lebron to come here without curry finishing up the season averaging 15 and 8 is virtually impossible.

There are plenty of lottery picks that don't work out Tyrus Thomas is one of them. I just don't want to watch Miami steal the power forward we need to play with wade because we don't have the money to offer to lebron's sidekick. Chris Bosh does anyone know how he is really? That bothers him. Coming to NY with Lebron makes him one of the biggest stars in the NBA.

I would hate to miss out on the chance because we are hoping Hill becomes what we can sign

dude, ur not getting the point... we shouldn't have to include Hill to get T-Mac, that's the point... T-Mac isn't even healthy right now & he's got tons of injury concerns surrounding him... for a player like that who's production has dipped severely in recent times, u should be able to land him w/other players on our roster... D Lee, Nate, Harrington, Hughes, etc... all these guys are productive players w/expiring contracts that should appeal to HOU right now... they would give the Rockets guaranteed production, something T-Mac won't be able to do because of his health concerns... if HOU wants young players instead, then adding someone like Wilson or TD should be adequate compensation for taking back Curry's contract in my view... we shouldn't even have to discuss including Gallo or Hill into a deal for T-Mac... this isn't the same T-Mac that was winning scoring titles, he's not even close.

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12/4/2009  5:52 PM
nixluva wrote:Look if Lee can play Center, ANYONE can play Center.

Lee playing center has proven just ANYONE can't play Center.

the stop underrating David Lee movement 1. FIRE MIKE 2. HIRE MULLIN 3. PAY AVERY 4. FREE NATE!!!
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12/4/2009  6:48 PM
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nixluva wrote:Look if Lee can play Center, ANYONE can play Center.

Lee playing center has proven just ANYONE can't play Center.


My point should've been clearer and less an attempt to be funny. Lee actually does OK statistically in points and rebounds, it's only his total lack of defense that really hurts. If you get the same numbers from Hill but more attentive D, then it's true you can play without a real Center or ANYONE. We really need to keep skilled players on the floor to have a chance to win, but Lee has been so bad on D, that it totally messes up whatever positives he brings. I can see that we're not likely to have a traditional C under MDA, but I think he's got a point if you look at Lee and what he does well and then imagine a guy that can rebound and score like Lee, but is a much better defender, then it all works. I think Hill has a chance to be that kind of guy down the line.
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12/4/2009  7:53 PM
Trade ID #5310641

Harrington
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Thomas
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12/5/2009  2:47 PM
TMS what happend to you?

What the **** is so hard about the deal to understand. Only an idiot brings up McGrady when the trade I suggested was mentioned.

No one is taking 12 million in Salary next year without getting a young player.

If mcgrady never plays its a good deal for us.

You want two max free agents or do you want one? Is Jordan Hill worth not getting one of the best players of all time?

Apparently because everyone is up in arms about giving up a lottery pick to clear the necessary room. But Hill may average 10pts and 8rbs next season and we can just get Rudy Gay and Joe Johnson and get an 8 seed and wait for CP3.

Question if your Lebron and someone asks you the following.

Play with Gallo, Hill, Chandler and curry

Or

Do you want Amare or Chris Bosh to play with you and Gallo, TD, and Chandler. You also save 3 million on hill next season.

He chooses 1 obviously because Jordan Hill is the next Amare that can't crack a rotation with no defenders medicore rebounding and the 13th best team in the league
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12/5/2009  3:16 PM
Since the Bulls have to jones for Al then it is time to turn them around and its our turn fleece them in a trade. Al for Big Snacks, Ty Thomas and their 1st round pick this year.
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12/5/2009  3:31 PM
MS wrote:TMS what happend to you?

What the **** is so hard about the deal to understand. Only an idiot brings up McGrady when the trade I suggested was mentioned.

No one is taking 12 million in Salary next year without getting a young player.

If mcgrady never plays its a good deal for us.

You want two max free agents or do you want one? Is Jordan Hill worth not getting one of the best players of all time?

Apparently because everyone is up in arms about giving up a lottery pick to clear the necessary room. But Hill may average 10pts and 8rbs next season and we can just get Rudy Gay and Joe Johnson and get an 8 seed and wait for CP3.

Question if your Lebron and someone asks you the following.

Play with Gallo, Hill, Chandler and curry

Or

Do you want Amare or Chris Bosh to play with you and Gallo, TD, and Chandler. You also save 3 million on hill next season.

He chooses 1 obviously because Jordan Hill is the next Amare that can't crack a rotation with no defenders medicore rebounding and the 13th best team in the league

MS, no need to throw insults my way... i get the point ur trying to make... ur not getting mine... i already said i wouldn't let Jordan Hill stand in the way of getting Lebron but the point is u shouldn't have to give him up to clear the cap space off our payroll... we have other assets at our disposal that we can use... it makes way more sense to offer Wilson Chandler in a deal to get T-Mac than it does Jordan Hill, especially if the ultimate goal is to get Lebron & Bosh to come here... Chandler would also make more sense for the Rockets cuz he's more NBA ready & they're in the running for the playoffs this year... plus Battier's not getting any younger & he's gonna be a FA after next year too, so Chandler gives them some depth & is versatile enough to play some SG & PF when needed... also getting rid of Chandler's contract clears another $2 mil off our cap for next season.

as for your question, if i'm Lebron i'd much rather play w/Bosh, Gallo, Hill, TD & another ~$8-10 million dollars worth of additional FA signings next year.

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12/5/2009  3:33 PM
getting back to the thread topic, why not offer Nate for TT straight up? both have expiring deals (if we renounce TT's rights after this season)... Nate's an upgrade over what the Bulls are trotting out there to back up Rose & Salmons right now, he could fill the Ben Gordon role... i think it works for both teams.
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12/5/2009  3:39 PM
TMS wrote:getting back to the thread topic, why not offer Nate for TT straight up? both have expiring deals (if we renounce TT's rights after this season)... Nate's an upgrade over what the Bulls are trotting out there to back up Rose & Salmons right now, he could fill the Ben Gordon role... i think it works for both teams.

Contracts don't match. Darko and Nate for Big Snacks and Thomas works.
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12/5/2009  3:45 PM
NYKBocker wrote:
TMS wrote:getting back to the thread topic, why not offer Nate for TT straight up? both have expiring deals (if we renounce TT's rights after this season)... Nate's an upgrade over what the Bulls are trotting out there to back up Rose & Salmons right now, he could fill the Ben Gordon role... i think it works for both teams.

Contracts don't match. Darko and Nate for Big Snacks and Thomas works.

that works for me too... Darko's not gonna see any minutes here anyways, & Turd provides some comedy relief... besides, Fishlips has been getting the brunt of my disdain for too long, it's time for Big Turd to return & lessen Fishlips' burden.

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