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11/15/2009  4:27 PM
McK1 wrote:how about we could've had jennings and douglas

Essentially what we play is 4-1 meaning 1 big and 4 smalls. I think our focus has to be on guys who can penetrate[like a Monta ellis] and don't go overboard on the deep jumpshooting-- You can play faster with 4 guards/wings and one big. Right now a big problem is Knick offensive players cant penetrate and they dont pass it like we have seen GS execute. I do wonder if Portland would be willing to give up Bayless for maybe Chandler right now? I think we might need 4 more guards not including Douglas--but the good thing is they are attainable much easier than big guys. We also need guys upfront as well but I think the fastets way to get better quick is to get 3-4 guards who can shoot pass and penetrate with speed.

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11/15/2009  4:48 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/15/2009  4:48 PM
McK1 wrote:how about we could've had jennings and douglas

Interesting, but not enough balls to share around. There were some decent bigs around- you could have even taken Budinger, or if you were Briggs, D. Blair. Derrick Brown, Summers from Georgetown, Jerebko, and Pendergraph (yeah I know he is injured)were also bigger guys we could have had at 29.

Think about a backcourt of Jennings and Budinger, and add them to Gallinari. MDA would have had a lot of fun with those 3, and his system would be looking a lot more attractive than it is now.

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11/15/2009  6:17 PM
Paladin55 wrote:
McK1 wrote:how about we could've had jennings and douglas

Interesting, but not enough balls to share around.

why do you say this...Nash Barbosa and J Rich have no problem getting shots up and they are still getting Amare Hill Frye and Dudley touches as well.

the 3 guard line-up has been a staple of a lot of potent offenses, most notably Isiah Joe Vinnie.

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11/15/2009  6:32 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/15/2009  6:34 PM
No more rationalizing. If the argument is that Jennings may be an Iverson or Marbury type -- you take that chance on that kind of talent. So far this kid looks like a player who can change the fortunes of a team almost all by himself. So he is a little brash and confident? I'll live with that. And it looks like he has the goods so why should he be shy about it?

It isn't Douglas Vs. Jennings. It is Hill Vs. Jennings. Like McK1 sez, the Knicks could have had both Douglas and Jennings.

And all I am saying is that Hill better start reminding me of Amare Stoudemire soon!

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11/15/2009  7:06 PM
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11/15/2009  7:48 PM
oohah wrote:No more rationalizing. If the argument is that Jennings may be an Iverson or Marbury type -- you take that chance on that kind of talent.

bingo. the only reason to possibly pass on a pg is if you have one on the roster already. hill will have to be a monster to forget about passing on jennings. this is like atlanta passing on paul or deron to take marvin williams.

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11/15/2009  7:57 PM
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oohah wrote:No more rationalizing. If the argument is that Jennings may be an Iverson or Marbury type -- you take that chance on that kind of talent.

bingo. the only reason to possibly pass on a pg is if you have one on the roster already. hill will have to be a monster to forget about passing on jennings. this is like atlanta passing on paul or deron to take marvin williams.


Paul and Deron are totally different PG's than Jennings. They are much more team oriented PG's that make OTHER players better. Jennings might be more of a AI type. With that kind of guard they aren't really focused on making others better. I want a Nash type PG myself. This is why I think it's still debatable to some degree. If Hill can develop into a solid bigman for this team getting 18/10/2 blocks that would make him the right pick IMO. We'll see what he does.

When Steph was doing his thing the knock wasn't on his scoring ability, but whether he made his teammates better!!! The same will eventually be the case for Jennings. Is he another high scoring guard like we've seen before or is he a guy that helps make your team a winner by improving team play?

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11/15/2009  8:01 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/15/2009  8:02 PM
nixluva wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
oohah wrote:No more rationalizing. If the argument is that Jennings may be an Iverson or Marbury type -- you take that chance on that kind of talent.

bingo. the only reason to possibly pass on a pg is if you have one on the roster already. hill will have to be a monster to forget about passing on jennings. this is like atlanta passing on paul or deron to take marvin williams.


Paul and Deron are totally different PG's than Jennings. They are much more team oriented PG's that make OTHER players better. Jennings might be more of a AI type. With that kind of guard they aren't really focused on making others better. I want a Nash type PG myself. This is why I think it's still debatable to some degree. If Hill can develop into a solid bigman for this team getting 18/10/2 blocks that would make him the right pick IMO. We'll see what he does.

When Steph was doing his thing the knock wasn't on his scoring ability, but whether he made his teammates better!!! The same will eventually be the case for Jennings. Is he another high scoring guard like we've seen before or is he a guy that helps make your team a winner by improving team play?

the fact that u keep saying he isn't team oriented or makes noone better leads me to believe you haven't watched him play any.

Franchise center Andrew Bogut who is very frank about what he thinks of most nba players said "Jennings has rejuvenated his career"

re: Deron. he plays more like Marbury did than Jennings. difference is he has a ton of leadership ability whereas steph had very little.

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11/15/2009  8:10 PM
Jennings is just like Nash in how quick he gets the ball from end to end, how quick he recognizes how teams are defending the Bucks and how quick he finds the weak spot of the D and attacks. He repeatedly punished the Dubs for sagging off. The one time they came up on the screen he hit Bogut with a beautiful lob dunk. After that they kept daring him to beat him and he did just that.
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11/15/2009  8:11 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/15/2009  8:15 PM
nixluva wrote:
Paul and Deron are totally different PG's than Jennings.

So what? Pass on a star so you can draft the perfect PG when he comes along? Are we immortal or something?

And what if Jennings does become Iverson? And your argument is that you would pass on him because he is not team-oriented enough? I sure don't want any hall of fame players on this team!

I am more concerned with wins and having talent on the Knicks roster so we don't have to watch the most appalling basketball we have ever seen.

Nixluva, your argument is quite silly. Walsh messed up and admitting it doesn't make you any less of a fan.

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11/15/2009  8:17 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/15/2009  8:17 PM
McK1 wrote:Jennings is just like Nash in how quick he gets the ball from end to end, how quick he recognizes how teams are defending the Bucks and how quick he finds the weak spot of the D and attacks. He repeatedly punished the Dubs for sagging off. The one time they came up on the screen he hit Bogut with a beautiful lob dunk. After that they kept daring him to beat him and he did just that.

Regardless of how their games may be similar or not, the biggest difference is that Jennings is doing his thing as a 19 year old rookie, and Nash did not come into his own until his late 20s.

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11/15/2009  8:17 PM
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11/15/2009  8:17 PM
If Jennings were a Knick he would suck. He is only good because he plays for another team that isn't named Knicks. No need to get worked up people we know the truth.
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11/15/2009  8:19 PM
oohah wrote:
McK1 wrote:Jennings is just like Nash in how quick he gets the ball from end to end, how quick he recognizes how teams are defending the Bucks and how quick he finds the weak spot of the D and attacks. He repeatedly punished the Dubs for sagging off. The one time they came up on the screen he hit Bogut with a beautiful lob dunk. After that they kept daring him to beat him and he did just that.

regardless of how their games may be similar or differ, the biggest difference is that Jennings is doing his thing at 19 and Nash did not come into his own until his late 20s.

oohah

true. thats what makes passing on him even more disheartening.

hill better be KG.

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11/15/2009  8:22 PM
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djsunyc wrote:
oohah wrote:No more rationalizing. If the argument is that Jennings may be an Iverson or Marbury type -- you take that chance on that kind of talent.

bingo. the only reason to possibly pass on a pg is if you have one on the roster already. hill will have to be a monster to forget about passing on jennings. this is like atlanta passing on paul or deron to take marvin williams.


Paul and Deron are totally different PG's than Jennings. They are much more team oriented PG's that make OTHER players better. Jennings might be more of a AI type. With that kind of guard they aren't really focused on making others better. I want a Nash type PG myself. This is why I think it's still debatable to some degree. If Hill can develop into a solid bigman for this team getting 18/10/2 blocks that would make him the right pick IMO. We'll see what he does.

When Steph was doing his thing the knock wasn't on his scoring ability, but whether he made his teammates better!!! The same will eventually be the case for Jennings. Is he another high scoring guard like we've seen before or is he a guy that helps make your team a winner by improving team play?

poor thing...ur arguing against all evidence to try and rationalize why he's not wearing orange and blue. U really do love the knicks...maybe a little too much.

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11/15/2009  8:28 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/15/2009  8:31 PM
Again, the fact that we passed up on this kind of talent when we had a desperate need at the position is a fireable offense. Point blank.
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11/15/2009  8:47 PM
You guys should really appriciate Tony Doug a little more, im sure given the touches Jennings got he'll put up similar numbers.
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11/15/2009  8:51 PM
knicks1248 wrote:You guys should really appriciate Tony Doug a little more, im sure given the touches Jennings got he'll put up similar numbers.

toney douglas has played well but sorry man, you are way off on this one.

jennings is attacking in the lane and getting anywhere he wants. douglas is taking the pick but isn't quick enough to get into the lane and create for others. he's pulling up and being stopped by the ft line. it's not even close.

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11/15/2009  8:52 PM
knicks1248 wrote:You guys should really appriciate Tony Doug a little more, im sure given the touches Jennings got he'll put up similar numbers.

You tryin to be funny? Duke put up 53 after being in the league for what, 10 games? Thats insanity...and overall he's putting up monster numbers.

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11/15/2009  9:23 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/15/2009  9:23 PM
Near midnight, they were walking out of the Bradley Center together, Brandon Jennings(notes) and Kris Stone, the fabulous Milwaukee Bucks rookie and the young sneaker executive. In the background, you could still hear people congratulating Jennings, delirious over the kind of performance they hadn’t seen out of a rookie in almost 40 years there, hadn’t seen since the savior was named Lew Alcindor.

Jennings had gone for 55 points on the Golden State Warriors Saturday night, one of the greatest rookie performances in history. He obliterated Alcindor’s 51 points in 1970, and nearly passed Wilt Chamberlain’s rookie record 58 for Philadelphia in ’60. Jennings was chasing ghosts in that old gym. Most of all, he’s dared to transform the beleaguered basketball town of Milwaukee, with so much NBA history, so much pride, into a Bucks town again.


Stone and Jennings have had a lot of dinners together, a lot of talks, here in the States and across Italy and Europe. Everyone will tell you they believed in Jennings, that they knew, but no one invested like Stone.


Everyone knows Jennings’ story now. They know about his resolve surviving the benchings and loneliness as a teenager in Italy. They know the time for NBA executives to scout him was at the practices with Lottomatica, the late nights and early mornings shooting in the gym. Everyone knows that Jennings challenged the system, defied the false gods of college basketball and pursued a trailblazing path.


When Under Armour hired Stone to get into the basketball endorsement game, all he did was bank his career, his credibility, on a skinny lefty kid who everyone feared would be broken overseas and an afterthought in the 2009 draft. Only, Stone always believed he had a deeper understanding of Jennings.


To Stone, there’s one story that tells it all. There’s a reference to which he always returns. Three years ago, Jennings had come to New York as a high school junior to play in the Elite 24 all-star game that Stone had started, and he won the MVP over players like Michael Beasley(notes) and Kevin Love(notes). The next morning, it was Stone’s job to drive over to the Westin Hotel in Times Square and make sure the kids were awake by 8 a.m. on the way to LaGuardia for flights home. So, Stone walked into the hotel lobby at 6, the elevator doors opened and there was a vision that brought him back to his days growing up in the Bay Area.


“And here comes Brandon walking out with a basketball under his arm, a T-shirt and shorts,” Stone said. “He had just achieved his greatest accomplishment as a high school player, and he’s running out the door to go work out with Ben Gordon(notes). That always stuck with me.”

Stone was raised in Oakland, and something about Jennings’ staying power always brought him back to his best friend from the Bay Area: Jason Kidd(notes). “I just saw the same mental strength with Brandon that Jason has always had, and I just knew it would carry Brandon,” Stone said. “I knew I could believe in him.”

Now, Stone had passed his cell phone to Jennings, the 20 year old, and you could still hear the kid’s voice crackling late Saturday night. Fifty-five points had come without him scoring until the second quarter. He had 29 in the third quarter, when Jennings had made 12 straight shots, when the 10th pick in the draft looked like the runaway Rookie of the Year.


“The shots kept going in, and after a while the rim kept getting bigger and bigger and I just felt like I couldn’t miss,” Jennings said. “I guess I was in that zone, you know? But that doesn’t happen without [Andrew] Bogut down low, scoring in the post and opening things up for me. I’m not doing this alone here.”

Almost though, almost. Jennings talked about the New York Knicks passing on him at No. 8 on draft day, about losing out on the chance to resurrect one of the league’s glamour franchises, to make Madison Square Garden his own.


“I feel like I understand why teams like the Knicks passed on me, because I didn’t put up big numbers in Italy last year,” he said. “But you needed to see me in the practices, and the workouts, to see how I was coming along there. Hey, I’m a gym rat. You had to know that about me.”

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