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Anyone from the Knick organization want to explain why we didnt take Dejuan Blair 29?
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10/29/2009  1:53 PM
I think everyone knew how good Blair was, but when drafting, you have to look at more than just what the guy can do right away. Blair is IMO somewhat at a peak in terms of what he can be. WHY? Cuz he's not gonna get any taller, faster, jump higher and I doubt he'll shoot at a higher % etc. He is a solid player right now! That doesn't mean that a guy like Hill who IMO has a higher upside was the wrong pick or that TD who is a guy destined for an avg career was a mistake. I'm not overly swayed by the fact that Blair is off to a great start in his 1st game and Hill is still in development. If after a couple of years it still looks like Hill can't play and TD doesn't get any better, then we can say for sure that it was a mistake to pass on Blair.
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10/29/2009  1:55 PM
nixluva wrote:If after a couple of years it still looks like Hill can't play and TD doesn't get any better, then we can say for sure that it was a mistake to pass on Blair.

Or when Blair has like 5 20/20 type games.

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10/29/2009  2:01 PM
Discuss it ext year after the all star break...by then you MIGHT have data to back your claims. 82 games is an awful lot of running on bad wheels.
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10/29/2009  2:09 PM
Olbrannon wrote:Discuss it ext year after the all star break...by then you MIGHT have data to back your claims. 82 games is an awful lot of running on bad wheels.

more than that... SA is a playoff team. Blair could play 100+ games this year. What did he play in 2 years at Pitt? 70?

I think its more feasable that Toney Douglas is the next Rondo than Blair is a rotation player 3 years from now.

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10/29/2009  2:10 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/29/2009  2:11 PM
fishmike wrote:I think its more feasable that Toney Douglas is the next Rondo than Blair is a rotation player 3 years from now.

I'll put $20 on that being wrong!

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10/29/2009  2:25 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/29/2009  3:06 PM
I'm fine with the direction they went with at 29. And I love Blair. I still can't believe that he slipped that much but there's always one or two guys every draft (which is why I believe if we start doing our homework right now on multiple prospects projected to go lower next year, we should be able to come away with a nice player or two late in next year's draft).. I gather it was the surgically-repaired knees from H.S. that scared everyone off even though he showed no indication at all in college that that was still even an issue. I mean did this guy look like he had any kind of a physical problem when he dominated almost every team Pitt. played against, including U-Conn & Hasheem Thabeet?? I put up a Blair post before the draft that discussed how his post presence and footwork on offensive post moves around the basket, NOT THE ABOVE THE RIM PLAY obviously, reminded me of Larry Johnson and I got laughed right off the board - I even used a few side-by-side Youtube clips of both guys to illustrate... Blair is a very good player and as long as the knees hold up, he'll be playing and producing in the NBA for a long time. However with the drafting of Hill (which is a move I'll continue to defend until I see for myself that Hill can't play at this level) and with the comments that Donnie had made about wanting to retain possibly Harrington and Lee after this year, I didn't see the need to take this guy. They went with a PG project that I wasn't too familiar with, but a guy that's grown on me nevertheless. TD brings a lot of positives - all he needs is playing time. I actually give the Knicks some credit with this pick - he'll take a little bit of time to settle in, but what I think they got here eventually is a real solid 6'2" two-way PG... Back to Hill for a sec. - we gotta get this guy some meaningful PT. I think the comparison should be more Hill/Blair rather than TD/Blair. If Hill was playing and producing like he's capable of, not taking Blair at 29 wouldn't look as bad for us right now... Trevor Booker is a guy that reminds me a lot of Blair. I like Booker and have talked often about getting him with a late pick next year. But if you think about it, if Hill proves he's a contributor and we retain David Lee, Booker may not be the best fit for us. Same principle with taking Douglas over Blair I'm guessing...
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10/29/2009  2:41 PM
oohah wrote:
fishmike wrote:I think its more feasable that Toney Douglas is the next Rondo than Blair is a rotation player 3 years from now.

I'll put $20 on that being wrong!

oohah

2 knee operations, 6'5, pushing 300 pounds, close to 100 games a year... how long you think he's going to play?

I think the guy who was ACC defensive player of the year, averaged 20ppg and outplayed a lot of the higher picks head to head is a safer bet.

If I am SA I am thrilled to have Blair. Knicks had like 4 rotation players signed after next year when Blair was still on the board.
He's not a good investment if your hoping to fill out a roster. He just isnt

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10/29/2009  2:47 PM
fishmike wrote:
oohah wrote:
fishmike wrote:I think its more feasable that Toney Douglas is the next Rondo than Blair is a rotation player 3 years from now.

I'll put $20 on that being wrong!

oohah

2 knee operations, 6'5, pushing 300 pounds, close to 100 games a year... how long you think he's going to play?

I think the guy who was ACC defensive player of the year, averaged 20ppg and outplayed a lot of the higher picks head to head is a safer bet.

If I am SA I am thrilled to have Blair. Knicks had like 4 rotation players signed after next year when Blair was still on the board.
He's not a good investment if your hoping to fill out a roster. He just isnt

I don't think it is Douglas Vs. Blair in my book. It's Hill Vs. Blair.

I think Blair will have 8-10 productive NBA years. But neither you nor I want to wait that long to collect our $20 so I will make the bet This: Blair is kicking ass in 3 years Vs. You say Blair is a chronic injury case. Does that work?

Who holds the $20 bucks while we wait?

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10/29/2009  2:51 PM
wow.. you must really believe in him. Any reason why?

He looks great on a good team. Again... 6'5 and 280 pounds. When the best examples of guys like that are one hall of famer and another who would have been if not for a bad back I'm just not bying. There is no sample of guys that fit that mold that have long careers in the NBA, none.

I hope for Blair your right. I hate the fact I cant do things I could do 5 years ago. It must be brutal for someone who gets a shot at the NBA. Wouldnt wish that on anyone.

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10/29/2009  3:03 PM
fishmike wrote:
oohah wrote:
fishmike wrote:I think its more feasable that Toney Douglas is the next Rondo than Blair is a rotation player 3 years from now.

I'll put $20 on that being wrong!

oohah

2 knee operations, 6'5, pushing 300 pounds, close to 100 games a year... how long you think he's going to play?

I think the guy who was ACC defensive player of the year, averaged 20ppg and outplayed a lot of the higher picks head to head is a safer bet.

If I am SA I am thrilled to have Blair. Knicks had like 4 rotation players signed after next year when Blair was still on the board.
He's not a good investment if your hoping to fill out a roster. He just isnt

he's playing limited minutes on a team that has a half court game and a post offense. he's in the perfect situation. he would not be a fit here. the idea that d'antoni would use blair is ridiculous.

hey, blair is a great player. if we wanted to go that route, we should have hired a different coach.


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10/29/2009  3:38 PM
crzymdups wrote:
fishmike wrote:
oohah wrote:
fishmike wrote:I think its more feasable that Toney Douglas is the next Rondo than Blair is a rotation player 3 years from now.

I'll put $20 on that being wrong!

oohah

2 knee operations, 6'5, pushing 300 pounds, close to 100 games a year... how long you think he's going to play?

I think the guy who was ACC defensive player of the year, averaged 20ppg and outplayed a lot of the higher picks head to head is a safer bet.

If I am SA I am thrilled to have Blair. Knicks had like 4 rotation players signed after next year when Blair was still on the board.
He's not a good investment if your hoping to fill out a roster. He just isnt

-----> the idea that d'antoni would use blair is ridiculous.

Than maybe we shouldnt have Mike D as coach if he can't play good players.
I don't know about anyone else but I'd much rather have Demar Derozan and Blair than Hill and Douglas.
Think about it--we won 30 games on average for 10 years--we have two first round picks and they don't play 8 minutes combined. Then you have to watch other good teams actually play their rookies like Ty Lawson on the Nuggets Derozan on the Raptors Blair on the Spurs et al.... We fcd the draft up+ we have the wrong coach. A ton of mistakes by this GM.

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10/29/2009  3:44 PM
If you spend time looking back at the guys the Knicks SHOULD have drafted it would make you cry.

My 20/20 hindsight would have yielded a team of:

PG: Ty Lawson (2009)
SG: Wilson Chandler (2007) Marc Gasol would not have been bad here at all
SF: Danny Granger (2005)
PF: DeJuan Blair (2009)
C: Brook Lopez (2008) NOT Eric Gordon. Gordon is great but skilled centers are way rarer...

Every single one of these players was passed up by multiple teams that I'm sure regret it.

Hollinger loved Lawson and Blair. He absolutely hated Hill. He doesn't always get it right but so far he looks like he'd make a better drafter than most GMs in this league.

Don't blame anyone for passing up Blair. It's been said already on this thread but if Blair gets picked and something happens with his knees this board would be full of "WTF was Donnie thinking picking a guy with no knees?!" posts.

We've debated Jordan Hill endlessly and even his biggest defenders would say it'll be a few seasons before we find out what he can be.

All I gotta say is I loooooove the Lawson kid.

Ty Lawson will make many a GM regret passing him up.

Granger is great but I feel like AWESOME wing players aren't THAT rare. T-Mac and Vince Carter weren't THAT far from them when they were at their peaks and when they started to fade you had Wade/Lebron coming in. You can always find wings.

Great floor generals and big men with skills are rare. That's why I think whiffing on Brook Lopez/Andew Bynums and Chris Paul/Ty Lawsons will ultimately hurt you more than missing out on a solid wing player. When's the next time a true floor general like Chris Paul comes into the league?

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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10/29/2009  3:53 PM
GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:If you spend time looking back at the guys the Knicks SHOULD have drafted it would make you cry.

My 20/20 hindsight would have yielded a team of:

PG: Ty Lawson (2009)
SG: Wilson Chandler (2007) Marc Gasol would not have been bad here at all
SF: Danny Granger (2005)
PF: DeJuan Blair (2009)
C: Brook Lopez (2008) NOT Eric Gordon. Gordon is great but skilled centers are way rarer...

Every single one of these players was passed up by multiple teams that I'm sure regret it.

Hollinger loved Lawson and Blair. He absolutely hated Hill. He doesn't always get it right but so far he looks like he'd make a better drafter than most GMs in this league.

Don't blame anyone for passing up Blair. It's been said already on this thread but if Blair gets picked and something happens with his knees this board would be full of "WTF was Donnie thinking picking a guy with no knees?!" posts.

We've debated Jordan Hill endlessly and even his biggest defenders would say it'll be a few seasons before we find out what he can be.

All I gotta say is I loooooove the Lawson kid.

Ty Lawson will make many a GM regret passing him up.

Granger is great but I feel like AWESOME wing players aren't THAT rare. T-Mac and Vince Carter weren't THAT far from them when they were at their peaks and when they started to fade you had Wade/Lebron coming in. You can always find wings.

Great floor generals and big men with skills are rare. That's why I think whiffing on Brook Lopez/Andew Bynums and Chris Paul/Ty Lawsons will ultimately hurt you more than missing out on a solid wing player. When's the next time a true floor general like Chris Paul comes into the league?

At 29 you have to be obligated to take Blair. I was in shock that he was at 29--I didnt even consider it and I think that is why players sometimes fall to far. Teams focus on 1-2 players and when a gift like that falls down --they are not prepared for it. At 29 how can you do better than Blair? Honestly--who is going to say a word about a knee or size etc... but rather--we have the best rebounder in the draft a leader and some much needed toughness on the squad--and if we get upside surprise even better. If something doesn't pan out--it's pick 29. Where is the downside??

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10/29/2009  4:21 PM
Anyone who doesn't have the medical records or the the knowledge in regards to Blair's care to explain why we should have taken him at 29?
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10/29/2009  5:54 PM
nyk4ever wrote:Anyone who doesn't have the medical records or the the knowledge in regards to Blair's care to explain why we should have taken him at 29?

Yeah I have the medical records right here

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=36578


and I guess the Spurs forgot to read them--you know they are a team that doesnt do their homework--

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10/29/2009  5:56 PM
Oh Snap! BRIGGS learned how to post links and junk! And then he pwned NYK4ever with his skillz!

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10/29/2009  5:57 PM
talk to me Chistmas of 2010 when Blair has played 130 NBA games. Silly discussion
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10/29/2009  6:02 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:Anyone who doesn't have the medical records or the the knowledge in regards to Blair's care to explain why we should have taken him at 29?

Yeah I have the medical records right here


and I guess the Spurs forgot to read them--you know they are a team that doesnt do their homework--

Yeah Briggs.. I'm sure the fact that he got a non-guaranteed contract since he was picked in the 2nd round had nothing to do with it either.

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10/29/2009  6:03 PM
Am I to understand that the prevailing opinion is that the only reason Blair did not go in the lottery is his knees?

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10/29/2009  6:03 PM
Briggs, you can dance around it however you want and show whatever youtube videos you want. Teams were scared of Blair's knees and thats why he dropped. You can spout on prophetic for 1,000 posts but that doesn't hide the fact that you have no idea what his MRI's looked like on his knees or what doctors told GM's about his knees. Thats really what it comes down to.
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