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8/11/2009  8:44 PM
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It has become obvious that no salary is going to be added into 2010--bottom line. If this was not true there would be a deal in place with this player. They are not trading David Lee for anything that has to do with 2010 and they seem intent on holding him hostage for their price in 2010. I can only speculate that Lebron James has somehow contacted the Knicks and made it clear that he will be a Knick in 2010 because this is the ONE and ONLY reason to justify present actions. If so---10000% understandable-- if not it could be a massive set back.

I am sry but signing Lee to the money that his agent thinks he "should" get instead of the money that the league thinks he is "worth" is a massive setback, even if no Lebron in 2010 ? When we had all of them players signed to bad contracts ppl were bitching and now that we are trying to avoid that its a major setback? So which is better: more players with bad contracts and less cap space OR less players with bad contracts and more capspace? I mean, i know Knicks are pretty bad, but this is David Lee we are talking about, not some star player. . .

Im saying business in general. I am not married to David Lee if there are different players of equal[assumed] value coming back in a trade. IT was a guy who thought for the moment and had a huge credit card--now it appears as if the pendulum has shifted 360 where as we are being too conservative.

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8/11/2009  9:04 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by ramtour420:
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It has become obvious that no salary is going to be added into 2010--bottom line. If this was not true there would be a deal in place with this player. They are not trading David Lee for anything that has to do with 2010 and they seem intent on holding him hostage for their price in 2010. I can only speculate that Lebron James has somehow contacted the Knicks and made it clear that he will be a Knick in 2010 because this is the ONE and ONLY reason to justify present actions. If so---10000% understandable-- if not it could be a massive set back.



I am sry but signing Lee to the money that his agent thinks he "should" get instead of the money that the league thinks he is "worth" is a massive setback, even if no Lebron in 2010 ? When we had all of them players signed to bad contracts ppl were bitching and now that we are trying to avoid that its a major setback? So which is better: more players with bad contracts and less cap space OR less players with bad contracts and more capspace? I mean, i know Knicks are pretty bad, but this is David Lee we are talking about, not some star player. . .

Im saying business in general. I am not married to David Lee if there are different players of equal[assumed] value coming back in a trade. IT was a guy who thought for the moment and had a huge credit card--now it appears as if the pendulum has shifted 360 where as we are being too conservative.

I think i'd rather see it happen this way. At least well have the opportunity to turn it all around in one year, just like that. And if i wanted Lee on my championship Knick team i'd be all for giving him the xtra $. But the thing is, i don't. Now is not the time to sign players like him anyway is it? Although one can argue the no superstar would want to come to a depleted team if he wants to win a chip.
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8/11/2009  9:53 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by ramtour420:
Posted by BRIGGS:

It has become obvious that no salary is going to be added into 2010--bottom line. If this was not true there would be a deal in place with this player. They are not trading David Lee for anything that has to do with 2010 and they seem intent on holding him hostage for their price in 2010. I can only speculate that Lebron James has somehow contacted the Knicks and made it clear that he will be a Knick in 2010 because this is the ONE and ONLY reason to justify present actions. If so---10000% understandable-- if not it could be a massive set back.

I am sry but signing Lee to the money that his agent thinks he "should" get instead of the money that the league thinks he is "worth" is a massive setback, even if no Lebron in 2010 ? When we had all of them players signed to bad contracts ppl were bitching and now that we are trying to avoid that its a major setback? So which is better: more players with bad contracts and less cap space OR less players with bad contracts and more capspace? I mean, i know Knicks are pretty bad, but this is David Lee we are talking about, not some star player. . .

Im saying business in general. I am not married to David Lee if there are different players of equal[assumed] value coming back in a trade. IT was a guy who thought for the moment and had a huge credit card--now it appears as if the pendulum has shifted 360 where as we are being too conservative.

Well, don't tell him that. He'd be real disappointed, I'm sure.
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8/12/2009  11:58 AM
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by ramtour420:
Posted by BRIGGS:

It has become obvious that no salary is going to be added into 2010--bottom line. If this was not true there would be a deal in place with this player. They are not trading David Lee for anything that has to do with 2010 and they seem intent on holding him hostage for their price in 2010. I can only speculate that Lebron James has somehow contacted the Knicks and made it clear that he will be a Knick in 2010 because this is the ONE and ONLY reason to justify present actions. If so---10000% understandable-- if not it could be a massive set back.

I am sry but signing Lee to the money that his agent thinks he "should" get instead of the money that the league thinks he is "worth" is a massive setback, even if no Lebron in 2010 ? When we had all of them players signed to bad contracts ppl were bitching and now that we are trying to avoid that its a major setback? So which is better: more players with bad contracts and less cap space OR less players with bad contracts and more capspace? I mean, i know Knicks are pretty bad, but this is David Lee we are talking about, not some star player. . .

Im saying business in general. I am not married to David Lee if there are different players of equal[assumed] value coming back in a trade. IT was a guy who thought for the moment and had a huge credit card--now it appears as if the pendulum has shifted 360 where as we are being too conservative.

Well, don't tell him that. He'd be real disappointed, I'm sure.

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8/12/2009  12:01 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by ramtour420:
Posted by BRIGGS:

It has become obvious that no salary is going to be added into 2010--bottom line. If this was not true there would be a deal in place with this player. They are not trading David Lee for anything that has to do with 2010 and they seem intent on holding him hostage for their price in 2010. I can only speculate that Lebron James has somehow contacted the Knicks and made it clear that he will be a Knick in 2010 because this is the ONE and ONLY reason to justify present actions. If so---10000% understandable-- if not it could be a massive set back.

I am sry but signing Lee to the money that his agent thinks he "should" get instead of the money that the league thinks he is "worth" is a massive setback, even if no Lebron in 2010 ? When we had all of them players signed to bad contracts ppl were bitching and now that we are trying to avoid that its a major setback? So which is better: more players with bad contracts and less cap space OR less players with bad contracts and more capspace? I mean, i know Knicks are pretty bad, but this is David Lee we are talking about, not some star player. . .

Im saying business in general. I am not married to David Lee if there are different players of equal[assumed] value coming back in a trade. IT was a guy who thought for the moment and had a huge credit card--now it appears as if the pendulum has shifted 360 where as we are being too conservative.

briggs, it's all about 2010 - agree or disagree, but this team is going to have max money to make a very real pitch to lebron. guys like sessions and dlee who may or may not be starters on playoff teams should not be the difference in being able to offer lebron the max. if we lose, we lose. but losing out on sessions and dlee is not the end of the world either way. both guys are not difference makers in and of themselves. if we don't sign them, we set back the rebuilding effort maybe a year. if we do sign them, we might set it back 5 years. what's worse?
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8/12/2009  1:19 PM
This is all ridiculous in 2k10 we'll be talking about Walsh didn't want to do nothing cause his waiting for 2k11.

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8/12/2009  2:09 PM
Posted by knicks1248:

This is all ridiculous in 2k10 we'll be talking about Walsh didn't want to do nothing cause his waiting for 2k11.

I disagree. I think people are patient with Walsh because he clearly stated that cap space for 2010 was his goal. He told us this. He did not lie, beat around the bush etc. He came right out and told us that the next two years were to clear out bad contracts and to determine who was with Mike for the long haul. 2010 was to start the building. I think 2 years is a fair amount of time to start showing legitimate progress and will not judge the man before that. In 2011 I'm pretty sure that the world will be burned to the ground if he tries to extend his plan. I think that is fair.

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8/12/2009  4:30 PM
RealGM reporting that the Clips about to sign Ramon, which would leave us with a sketchy 1-spot.
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8/12/2009  5:02 PM
Posted by Moonangie:

RealGM reporting that the Clips about to sign Ramon, which would leave us with a sketchy 1-spot.

Knicks being outspent by the Clippers for a 23 year old PG. This is going to be a horrible mistake --can any Knick fan imagine being beaten with $$ by the Clippers? Like I said if Lebron James has stated to someone the Knicks are a lock that is one thing--anything less this plan is being dramatically overdone and hurtful to the team.
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8/12/2009  5:46 PM
Posted by Moonangie:

RealGM reporting that the Clips about to sign Ramon, which would leave us with a sketchy 1-spot.

Wait a minute. Can we all stop posting a snippet about ReamGM wiretaps?

I mean: RealGM has an article about a 1-line Twitter post from a Milwaulkee beat reporter who has not said much more than he did a month ago.

When something real comes up, post the original. Thanks.
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8/12/2009  5:55 PM
If you google Sessions and look for articles in NY, LA and Milwaukee they are all over the map in regards to who has the upper hand on Sessions. If you explore the blog sites they seem to change every day. Who knows what is legit and what is being fed by people in NY/LA/Sessions camp.
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8/12/2009  7:12 PM
Walsh just needs to get the situation resolved one way or the other. Patience is one thing, but this is bordering on ridiculous. Either Session's camp or Walsh is not being realistic. The honest truth is, if we sign Sessions he will be our starting PG, because he is a better passer than Nate and a better playmaker than Duhon. Thus, you have to pay this guy at least $5 million. If Walsh thinks he is going to get a starting pg to sign for $4 million, he is being delusional. He had to pay Duhon $6 mill to agree to a two-year contract and everyone knew Duhon was not the longterm solution at pg. Plus, you need to pay Sessions at least $5 million to convince the Bucks not to match. A 4 year/$22-$23 million dollar deal is more than fair and I suspect that is close to what Sessions is asking (he probably wants full MLE for five years). If you believe the guy has the talent to be a starting caliber PG, then $5 mill per is cheap for a starting pg. If you don't think he has the talent, then why even pursue him in the first place. One way or the other, Walsh just needs to make a decision.
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8/12/2009  7:21 PM
Posted by TheGame:

Walsh just needs to get the situation resolved one way or the other. Patience is one thing, but this is bordering on ridiculous.

Why? Both MIL and NY knew that they had to wait until the Bowen contract was resolved and that got done 1 Aug.

What's the rush again?
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8/12/2009  7:39 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by TheGame:

Walsh just needs to get the situation resolved one way or the other. Patience is one thing, but this is bordering on ridiculous.

Why? Both MIL and NY knew that they had to wait until the Bowen contract was resolved and that got done 1 Aug.

What's the rush again?

Well imho--you don't want the unexpected to play a role. If you noticed some of the better clubs acted rather quickly to execute what they wanted to do. It's breaking towards mid August--I think you want to start solidifying what you do and don't have.
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8/12/2009  7:44 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by martin:
Posted by TheGame:

Walsh just needs to get the situation resolved one way or the other. Patience is one thing, but this is bordering on ridiculous.

Why? Both MIL and NY knew that they had to wait until the Bowen contract was resolved and that got done 1 Aug.

What's the rush again?

Well imho--you don't want the unexpected to play a role. If you noticed some of the better clubs acted rather quickly to execute what they wanted to do. It's breaking towards mid August--I think you want to start solidifying what you do and don't have.

Sure. It also takes 2 to Tango, holdup could be on Sessions' behalf.
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8/12/2009  7:44 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by martin:
Posted by TheGame:

Walsh just needs to get the situation resolved one way or the other. Patience is one thing, but this is bordering on ridiculous.

Why? Both MIL and NY knew that they had to wait until the Bowen contract was resolved and that got done 1 Aug.

What's the rush again?

Well imho--you don't want the unexpected to play a role. If you noticed some of the better clubs acted rather quickly to execute what they wanted to do. It's breaking towards mid August--I think you want to start solidifying what you do and don't have.


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8/12/2009  8:53 PM
All these arguments taht players wont come unless you have the people really does not hold that much water. Just like us the players can do the math (ok may be I am stretching a bit, but not all players are like Marbury). Any one who can count can see if get one max player in 2010 we would still have Jeffries and Curry coming off the books the year after. So chances we will be able to get a pretty good player after that and our core of young players isnt all that bad either.

This season should be devoted to developing gallo, Hill and TD...heck with everything else.
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Posted by loweyecue:

All these arguments taht players wont come unless you have the people really does not hold that much water. Just like us the players can do the math (ok may be I am stretching a bit, but not all players are like Marbury). Any one who can count can see if get one max player in 2010 we would still have Jeffries and Curry coming off the books the year after. So chances we will be able to get a pretty good player after that and our core of young players isnt all that bad either.

This season should be devoted to developing gallo, Hill and TD...heck with everything else.

A guy like Lebron is also aware that he is a major attraction and that if he came to NY in 2010 other big name free agents available in 2011 would be dying to come play with him in New York!!! That's why this is a solid risk on Walsh's part.
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8/13/2009  9:55 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by martin:
Posted by TheGame:

Walsh just needs to get the situation resolved one way or the other. Patience is one thing, but this is bordering on ridiculous.

Why? Both MIL and NY knew that they had to wait until the Bowen contract was resolved and that got done 1 Aug.

What's the rush again?

Well imho--you don't want the unexpected to play a role. If you noticed some of the better clubs acted rather quickly to execute what they wanted to do. It's breaking towards mid August--I think you want to start solidifying what you do and don't have.

The better clubs also have an easier time building than the bad clubs. They are in a position where they have specific needs that they hope will get them over the hump. They aren't worried about 2010, 2011, 2012.....All they care about is today. "This is what we need, now go get it whatever the cost". If you have to overspend in that position, sometimes you just go ahead and do it.

Bad teams are not in this position Briggs. They have to worry about today and tomorrow. Sure this guy is a good player and can help us. But if we move on him what does this do to our chances to get a real game changer. The NBa is not like the NFL where there are a new batch of winners each year. The NBA is a different animal. Once you are good, it's easy to stay good. But when you are bad you have to make wise decisions in order to truly compete. As good as teams like Chicago and Portland looked in terms of youth the last few years, they have both had a difficult time cracking into that elite status. It takes a lot of luck and smart maneuvering to get to that level. With Sessions he's a young and talented player. But you have to ask yourself do you overpay to make sure you get him and possibly eliminate any shot at getting a true game changer via free-agency. It's not an easy decision for a poor club to make.

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8/13/2009  10:11 AM
still don't see the *must have* quality in sessions.

if lebron is coming to town, the pg must be able to catch and shoot and hit the 3 with regularity. sessions isn't that guy.
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