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7/22/2009  5:24 PM
Posted by kam77:

LOL at those saying that them who disagree with Gates are BELIEVING THE COPS 100%.

Has the cop said a damn thing? Aren't we getting ALL OF THIS from Gates himself?

No, we are not getting it all from Gates. There is also a police report making claims about Gates' behavior. The question of whether you believe Gates or the cops is a part of the discussion.
And another LOL at those REPEATEDLY INSISTING that Gates was arersted for suspicion of burglary.

Like who?


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7/22/2009  5:34 PM
I would say the cop is a douche even if he did this to a white/yellow/brown/purple person.

How dare you tell at me? Under arrest and handcuffed to a window!

What if I had to watch a Knicks game and couldn't because I yelled at some cop and hurt his pride in front of his cop buddies?
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7/22/2009  5:46 PM
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By the way, all indications are that this incident occurred in the middle of the day. I'm not sure if it really changes any thing, but I thought I'd mention it. I don't think burglars usually try to break in during the middle of the day. I also think they might prefer the back door to the front door.

I might just be nitpicking with this point, but I believe most B&E's do occur during the day, usually while victims are away at work.

Could be. I'm not an expert in this area.

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7/22/2009  11:19 PM
Same story in 2099..
White Says He Is Outraged by Arrest at Cambridge Home
By Arkrud Send Clock
Buffon Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, July 21, 2099; 2:42 PM
Professor Jim White cast his recent arrest in his home in Santa Clara, Cal., as part of a "racial narrative" playing out in a biased criminal justice system. The professor who has spent much of his life studying race in America said he has come to feel like a case study.
"There are one million white men in jail in this country and last Thursday I was one of them," he said in an exclusive interview with The Buffon Post Tuesday morning. "This is outrageous and that this is how poor white men across the country are treated everyday in the criminal justice system. It's one thing to write about it, but altogether another to experience it."
He was still outraged but he said he has had time to take a step back and will now apply the scholarship that has been his life's work to the issue of race in the criminal justice system.
White was arrested Thursday at his home near Harvard University after trying to force open the locked front door. The charge of disorderly conduct was dropped this afternoon, the Cambridge police department said in a news release. The department called the arrest "regrettable and unfortunate."
According to the initial police report White accused police officers at the scene of being racist and said repeatedly, "This is what happens to white men in America."
Police came to Gates's home to investigate a possible break-in about 12:40 p.m. on Thursday. The department's report said White was arrested "after exhibiting loud and tumultuous behavior" at his home. Officers said they tried to calm White, who responded, "You don't know who you're messing with."
White, the director of the W.E.B. Institute for White minority American studies, has been away from his home much of the summer while working on a documentary called "Faces of America."
What follows is Whites's first public account of his arrest. He spoke to The Post in an hour-long phone interview while resting on Martha's Vineyard. White is a founder of the UpRoot.com, (www.theuproot.com), a Web site owned by The Bashingtown Post Co.
White had been in Russia for a week filming his documentary when he returned. Before joining his family on vacation, he stopped by his home in a middle-class neighborhood in Cambridge's Harvard Square.
White described his driver, whose car service White uses regularly, as a large, Russian man. The driver brought White's three bags to the front door, but when the professor tried to turn the lock, it would not budge. After going around and unlocking the rear door, White returned to the front, which still would not open.
"I thought it had been latched from the inside by my secretary who comes to get the mail," White said, "but the lock had been tampered with. I said, 'Let's just push it.'"
He was wearing a blue blazer and leather shoes, he said. The driver, dressed in a Green uniform, began to lean his shoulder into the door to try to force it open. They pushed for 15 minutes and got the door free. The driver then left. White said he would later find out that a neighbor called to report two white men wearing backpacks were breaking into his house.
White's home is owned by Harvard so he picked up the phone to call the university's real estate maintenance office. Before he could finish the conversation, a police officer was standing on his porch and asking him to come out of the house.
"Instinctively, I knew I was not to step outside," White said, describing the officer's tone as threatening. White said the policeman, who was in his 30s and several inches taller than him, followed him into his kitchen where White retrieved his identification
"I was thinking, this is ridiculous, but I'm going to show him my ID, and this guy is going to get out of my house," White said. "This guy had this whole narrative in his head. White guy breaking and entering."
After handing the officer both his Harvard and Massachusetts state identification, which included his address, White said he began to ask the officer this question, repeatedly. "I said 'Who are you? I want your name and badge number.' I got angry."
According to White’s account, the officer refused to give it. The police report says, however, that the officer identified himself.
"I weigh 150 lbs and I'm 5' 7''. I'm going to give flack to a big black guy with a gun. I might wolf later, but I won't wolf then."
But White did keep asking for the officer's name and said he began to feel humiliated when his question was ignored. He then said: "This is what happens to white men in America."
The officer left and White followed him outside. There were about a half-dozen Mexican, Asian, and one black police officers standing in his front yard.
"I stepped out on the porch to ask them his name," White said.
He was immediately arrested -- his arms pulled behind his back in handcuffs. White said he was in pain, explained he was disabled and needed a cane to walk. The cuffs were removed, White was given a cane and his hands were cuffed in front of his body.
At the station, White was booked and fingerprinted. His belt, wallet and cane were taken away. For a while he was handcuffed to a window in the station and other officers took his vitals: name, address, social security number.
"I had to wait in a jail cell," White said. "I have mild claustrophobia. The jail cell was very claustrophobic."
But White did not remain in the cell long. He was taken to an interview room, where he was allowed to speak with his friend and lawyer Charles McCurry, who also teaches at Harvard. Three other university colleagues also showed up and stayed in the interview room with White for four hours. He was then released on $400 bond.
"I am appalled that any American could be treated as capriciously by an individual police officer. He should look into his soul and he should apologize to me," White said. "If so, I will be prepared to forgive him. I think that poor people in general and white people in general are vulnerable to the whims of rogue cops, and we all have to fight to protect the weakest among us. No matter how bad it was going to get, I knew that sooner or later I would get to a phone and one of my friends would be there to help."
His next project on race, he said, will be rooted in his arrest. "I hope to make a documentary about racial profiling for PBS," he said. "[The idea] had never crossed my mind but it has now."
He said the documentary will ask: "How are people treated when they are arrested? How does the criminal justice system work? How many white and red-hair men and poor black men are the victims of police officers who are carrying racist thoughts?
"I want to be a figure for prison reform. I think that criminal justice system is rotten."
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7/23/2009  10:01 AM
The Driver was the one who pushed in the door. Took 15 min. Logic if someone did not see Gates but another breaking its not outlandish to call the cops.

Cops have adreniline pumping and are very nervous. Gates would not come out of the house. This could have made an ******* cop into mr. super ******* cop.

Its Gates house, but he is not making the cop feel at ease.

What if Gates comes out, reads the cops name on his shirt, shows him that he lives there, and thanks him for doing his job instead of assuming if he comes out he will get shot or arrested?

Im not saying Gates body of work is good or not.

Why not call the Harvard matainance office and have them come and open the door? Its Gates address but he don't own the house. Maybe he is not home much or have lived there too long for all his neighbos to know him. Maybe a new neighbor called and don't know.

The drive is breaking into a house? What is someone to think?

Im sorry, this guy has someone break down his door I think its on him to do the explaining.
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7/23/2009  10:53 AM
He should've been arrested for such a violent display of demeanor.
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7/23/2009  10:54 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by sebstar:
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Posted by Allanfan20:

Well that's beyond the point. Gates could have also alerted the media and made the cops look bad in this case.

And Gates himself, in his report, said nothing about being provoked.

And for the record: I'm as white as they get. I live in the whitest town. I know for a fact that I'd be stupid to mouth off to the cops b/c I know I'd be arrested. Anyone is going to be arrested for that. And any white knows that too.

And just so you know Sebstar. I'm certainly not a cop "apologist." There's a lot of **** I see that I cannot stand at all when it comes to them. I support them, but some stuff is inexcusable as well. I'm just calling this particular situation by how the facts present themself.

I have a friend that actually slapped a cop for suggesting she was drunk(when she wasn't). She was angry that he wouldn't beleive her. Not only did she not get arrested, but 3 years later they were married. Could you imagine if Sebstar did something like that? I think we'd have one less poster here.

lol. damn.
does sebstar have nice boobies?

We are all human indeed

She's definitely a hottie. The worst part of the story, and the one we laugh about the most is his response to her when she slapped him was "oh you like it rough?". That got her even madder and she wanted to punch him again. He said at that point he backed away and told her to just get in her car and go home. Skinny women with beautiful faces and smoking hot bodies can do whatever they want.
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7/23/2009  11:15 AM
Violence?

He should've been arrested for such a violent display of demeanor.

orangeblobman - are you serious?

Henry Louis Gates showed the police valid identification and was in his own freakin' house.

How do you think he should have reacted?
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7/23/2009  11:20 AM
Skinny women with beautiful faces and smoking hot bodies can do whatever they want.

I will give you that much.

Reminds me of my own situation from the Summer of 2002, but definitely not nearly as extreme as slapping a cop. I worked at Jones Beach (On Long Island) and they had me working in the ticket booths in one of the parking lots. I had to check the tickets to make sure people got them that day. They had to pay $7, at a previous booth, to get them.

I rarely had people watching me, so I could have done whatever I wanted and let plenty of people get in without a ticket, if I pleased. I was a softie at first and let all hot chicks get in, unless they already had a ticket of course. Then I realized I wasn't getting any numbers or anything out of this and made all of them turn around to get tickets.

I felt a sense of pride after that little change.

[Edited by - Allanfan20 on 23-07-2009 2:34 PM]
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7/23/2009  11:56 AM
Posted by misterearl:

Violence?

He should've been arrested for such a violent display of demeanor.

orangeblobman - are you serious?

Henry Louis Gates showed the police valid identification and was in his own freakin' house.

How do you think he should have reacted?

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7/23/2009  11:57 AM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Allanfan20:

Well that's beyond the point. Gates could have also alerted the media and made the cops look bad in this case.

And Gates himself, in his report, said nothing about being provoked.

And for the record: I'm as white as they get. I live in the whitest town. I know for a fact that I'd be stupid to mouth off to the cops b/c I know I'd be arrested. Anyone is going to be arrested for that. And any white knows that too.

And just so you know Sebstar. I'm certainly not a cop "apologist." There's a lot of **** I see that I cannot stand at all when it comes to them. I support them, but some stuff is inexcusable as well. I'm just calling this particular situation by how the facts present themself.

I have a friend that actually slapped a cop for suggesting she was drunk(when she wasn't). She was angry that he wouldn't beleive her. Not only did she not get arrested, but 3 years later they were married. Could you imagine if Sebstar did something like that? I think we'd have one less poster here.

lol. damn.
does sebstar have nice boobies?

We are all human indeed

She's definitely a hottie. The worst part of the story, and the one we laugh about the most is his response to her when she slapped him was "oh you like it rough?". That got her even madder and she wanted to punch him again. He said at that point he backed away and told her to just get in her car and go home. Skinny women with beautiful faces and smoking hot bodies can do whatever they want.

Wait...hold up...WTF is going on here?
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7/23/2009  12:40 PM
Allow me to be condescending for a moment. This thread to me is a case study of people jumping to conclusions and basically "picking sides" based on their own personal experience.

1.) Neighbor-Someone called the cops. They could have seen two black men and decided they must be thieves because all black men are thieves. They could have seen two men, did not recognize Gates and called the cops in order to protect Gates' home. They could have seen two men, did not know who the neighbor was and called the cops to protect a neighbors home. Too many scenarios to jump to the conclusion that the neighbor was a racist. Depending on your experience that could be your first reaction, but after that you have to take a step back and realize you don't know the person so you can't conclude anything

2.) Cops-First of all, if a cop is called out to a house I don't care who the person is that is there, they need to get ID and find out who the person is. If it's my house I demand it. I don't care if the person says they live there. I don't care if the person is old and frail. I don't care if the person is a 12 year old boy that looks like me. I don't care if they are a beautiful woman who says they are my wife. I don't care if they are the world's most famous celebrity. If it's Michael Jordan, unless the cop has proof that I gave permission, Michael Jordan does not go in my house and I expect the cops to stop him. If you are called to a house you find out who that person is before you leave. I heard someone mention Gates had a cane. So what! For all the cops knew he could have been the owner's accountant, knew where the owner kept the money, was planning on getting the money and moving to Mexico. The cop doesn't know so it's his job for the sake of the real owner to find out. Gates should not have taken offense to the cops being there for this reason and should actually feel thankful that he has cops in his town that will respond. His "do you know who I am?" means nothing. Even if the cop knows who you are, if you can't prove it's your house or produce an owner who can confirm permission than you can go f yourself with who you are. Criminals come from all walks of life and it's the cops job to protect. So at this point I think they are being professional. But if they are being professional then continue to be professional. If someone is belligerent your job is to attempt to diffuse the situation first before it gets out of control. The man asked for a name and badge number. A professional knowing he did nothing wrong would have produced the badge and name in order to diffuse the situation. A professional probably would have apologized as well even if he knows he did nothing wrong. The cop instead ignored Gates and allowed the situation to escalate. At this point to me there is nothing to suggest that the cop is racist or not. Nothing. It appears to be a cop that at first did his job and then afterwards decided not to do his job because he might have been angry at Gates. Who knows. He also could have been a flaming racist.

Gates-We all know the history of minorities and the police. Doesn't mean every time the police speak to you that they are profiling you. At times police do question innocent people, it's part of how they keep us safe. But let's not jump to conclusions and assume Gates was in the wrong either. Gates may have felt or even known that some/all of the cops on the scene knew who he was and where he lived. So he reacted to them putting him through this. Anyone would have. Gates may have had a long trip/day and was just really irritable and reacted. Understandable we all do that. Gates could have a history of being bothered/or the perception of being bothered by the cops in that town, and this was the last straw. The cop may have said something under his breath. The cop may have disrespected him and treated him like a criminal up until the time he produced the ID. I personally would have reacted to that. A lot could have gone on that caused Gates to react just like many of us would. That being said Gates is also an "esteemed professor", so it's on him to act like one. He holds influence over a lot of people. Can't be screaming off at the mouth accusing people of racism when you don't know. It was in his right to ask for a badge number. Cops are to be respected, but if they walk into a man's home they have a duty to answer to reasonable requests as well. Man asks for name/badge give it him. If you want to get respect you have to give respect. But when he didn't get it, as an "esteemed professor" I feel he could have responded in a more professional manner. As Fish said earlier, there are avenues to go if you are upset. Screaming at a group of cops on your porch/in the house/outside the house are probably not the best ways to go about it. As Fish said, file a complaint, if there are no answers contact the media and raise bloody hizzel. But at that moment you gotta know that screaming at the police is probably not the best answer for anyone, especially an "esteemed professor". Also accusing someone of racism when racism is only 1 OF THE POSSIBILITIES is probably not the most productive thing to do either. But I admit I don't know.

Too many times, we just make assumptions without a full slate of knowledge of a situation. We react based on our experience and then choose to filter out facts and only accept those that agree with our experience and initial reaction. The test is to realize that there are a million possibilities and unless you know the full story, how do you take a side or jump to a conclusion? Gates could have been blatantly mistreated by a racist cop. He could also be a racist that is trying to use his position to put forth racist views of his own. Who knows

Bottom line is we have 2 or more adult males that have chosen professions that we are supposed to respect. The cops and Gates each had a moment to take a deep breath and be the bigger man/men. Nobody chose to and instead they all acted like kids.
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7/23/2009  12:44 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Skinny women with beautiful faces and smoking hot bodies can do whatever they want.

I will give you that much.

Reminds me of my own situation from the Summer of 2002, but definitely not nearly as extreme as slapping a cop. I worked at Jones Beach and they had me working in the ticket booths in one of the parking lots. I had to check the tickets to make sure people got them that day. They had to pay $7, at a previous booth, to get them.

I rarely had people watching me, so I could have done whatever I wanted and let plenty of people get in without a ticket, if I pleased. I was a softie at first and let all hot chicks get in, unless they already had a ticket of course. Then I realized I wasn't getting any numbers or anything out of this and made all of them turn around to get tickets.

I felt a sense of prime after that little change.

Got into an argument with Yameen Kelly in the 4th grade(she was in the 3rd grade). I called her a b-word. She punched me right in the eye. Not only did I suffer the indignity of gettin my asse kicked by a 3rd grade girl, not only did I walk around school all week with a black eye, but I also got a lecture from the principal about fighting with girls while she got off scott free.

I'm still burning over that one.
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7/23/2009  12:44 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Skinny women with beautiful faces and smoking hot bodies can do whatever they want.

I will give you that much.

Reminds me of my own situation from the Summer of 2002, but definitely not nearly as extreme as slapping a cop. I worked at Jones Beach and they had me working in the ticket booths in one of the parking lots. I had to check the tickets to make sure people got them that day. They had to pay $7, at a previous booth, to get them.

I rarely had people watching me, so I could have done whatever I wanted and let plenty of people get in without a ticket, if I pleased. I was a softie at first and let all hot chicks get in, unless they already had a ticket of course. Then I realized I wasn't getting any numbers or anything out of this and made all of them turn around to get tickets.

I felt a sense of prime after that little change.

By the way, you made all the right decisions. Although you probably should have made them pay extra.
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How could he understand his plight? I doubt there was anyway that he would have known Gates had just come back from China and was locked out. He probably didn't even know who the man was. If you yell and scream at a police officer and won't stop wouldn't you expect to be arrested? Gates probably thought because he's a big shot harvard prof, he can treat people like crap and that the same rules that apply to everyone don't apply to him.
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by GodSaveTheKnicks:

Regardless of whether race was a factor, people here are defending the arrest saying Gates was yelling.

Is there some kind of law against yelling at the cops?

You probably shouldn't yell at cops but last time I checked it's not illegal to yell at the cops.

According to these guys, that's grounds for arrest. Being an intellectual professor is also apparently reasonable grounds for arrest, as is asking for a name and badge number. Oh heck, the cops can just arrest any ol' body any time they feel like it.


[Edited by - basketballjones on 07-22-2009 15:12]

Yeah, when Bitty talked about a police state mentality, she was spot on. You can see it with many of the responses around here. Cops often use "disturbing the peace" as a way to circumvent the constitution and arrest somebody because they are simply annoyed by them or they are being verbally combative.

That cop could have understood the man's plight. Just came home from a long trip, finds himself locked out, and then has the cops show up because he was allegedly trying to break into his own house. That can set anybody off. Not to say that Gates was 100%, but we are all humans.

Instead duke compounds the issue by arresting Gates on a completely bogus charge, leading him out in handcufffs and making him go through the whole arrest process just to save face, among other things.

Not Rodney King, but it clearly illustrates the differently world we often live in. Cops by and large dont look at a Blacks as humans and act accordingly.

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Posted by nykshaknbake:

How could he understand his plight? I doubt there was anyway that he would have known Gates had just come back from China and was locked out. He probably didn't even know who the man was. If you yell and scream at a police officer and won't stop wouldn't you expect to be arrested? Gates probably thought because he's a big shot harvard prof, he can treat people like crap and that the same rules that apply[ to everyone don't apply to him.

For what its worth, Gates said that he only became combative once the officer refused to comply with Gates' request for badge number and the like.

And unless Gates was presenting himself as a physical danger to the officer or those around, no one should expect to get arrested for being upset at a situation. Just a way for the officer to show him whose boss and REALLY in charge, which wholly unamerican.

[Edited by - sebstar on 07-23-2009 2:12 PM]
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Posted by sebstar:
Posted by nykshaknbake:

How could he understand his plight? I doubt there was anyway that he would have known Gates had just come back from China and was locked out. He probably didn't even know who the man was. If you yell and scream at a police officer and won't stop wouldn't you expect to be arrested? Gates probably thought because he's a big shot harvard prof, he can treat people like crap and that the same rules that apply[ to everyone don't apply to him.

For what its worth, Gates said that he only became combative once the officer refused to comply with Gates' request for badge number and the like.

And unless Gates was presenting himself as a physical danger to the officer or those around, no one should expect to get arrested for being upset at a situation. Just a way for the officer to show him whose boss and REALLY in charge, which wholly unamerican.

[Edited by - sebstar on 07-23-2009 2:12 PM]

except of course if you are speaking internationally ala Iraq, then we should be able to stomp anyone without proof of any real threat
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7/23/2009  2:18 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by nykshaknbake:

How could he understand his plight? I doubt there was anyway that he would have known Gates had just come back from China and was locked out. He probably didn't even know who the man was. If you yell and scream at a police officer and won't stop wouldn't you expect to be arrested? Gates probably thought because he's a big shot harvard prof, he can treat people like crap and that the same rules that apply[ to everyone don't apply to him.

For what its worth, Gates said that he only became combative once the officer refused to comply with Gates' request for badge number and the like.

And unless Gates was presenting himself as a physical danger to the officer or those around, no one should expect to get arrested for being upset at a situation. Just a way for the officer to show him whose boss and REALLY in charge, which wholly unamerican.

[Edited by - sebstar on 07-23-2009 2:12 PM]

except of course if you are speaking internationally ala Iraq, then we should be able to stomp anyone without proof of any real threat

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7/23/2009  2:34 PM

Cops are going to have to wear video devices to get full accountability.

No doubt his research has given him a predudice against police and the man was fully pissed off at first confrentation with the officer.

But the cop does not know who he is, know his history or body of work which seemed to inflame Gates at the same time.

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7/23/2009  2:48 PM
Oh snaps...seems Gates is a personal friend of Obama. We got the President weighing in now, bout time Obama remembered he was Black:

http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/07/president_obama_says_cambridge.html

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