Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by rvwink:

"Douglas has been quick agile + strong with the ball but he does not look anything like an NBA rotation player. He is small at the hoop--he doesnt break guys off the dribble--doesnt get into the lane and so far his shot looks like mine. And for all of this he's a great defender hes looked porous and average. So we want to emphasize the positives and he can find the shooters on the wing and doesnt turn it over. His talent is light years from Jennings but at 29 you get what you pay for. Thats why we shouldve taken Blair."

Our summer team has played two games. Toney is breaking into running a new system, and clearly he has been told to focus on distributing the ball, which he is doing. Its seems nuts to me that you seem to be compelled to long term judgments on things like his shooting ability and even his ability to play defense. Don't you think it would be a good idea to wait until you have more information?

"His talent is light years from Jennings but at 29 you get what you pay for. Thats why we shouldve taken Blair."

First, The Knicks needed a point guard to replace Nat Robinson. Why would they need a player like DeJuan Blair. Second, while Jennings looks talented, he remains an unproven commodity. Third, you don't always get what you pay for. Occasionally, excellent players like Paul Millsap and David Lee are discovered in the late first and even second round. Fourth the prototype Center for D'Antoni's system is Amar'e Stoudemire. He stands 6'10 inches, runs well and shoots threes at about 43%. DeJuan stands 6'5" without sneakers and he is far better suited for the half court game. He has knee problems, average athleticism and his jump shot is also listed as one of his weaknesses, (DeJuan shoots free throws at 60.5 and Amar'e shoots free throws at 83.5.) If you were criticizing Walsh and D'Antoni for their draft pick, maybe you should reconsider?

rvwink--I like taking the best player available--to me Dejuan Blair was the best player available. I don't know that much about Blair's knees but I do know that the Spurs just gave him a three year guaranteed deal today. I feel the Spurs are a much better run organization that the Knicks in anyway and in every way---what they did speaks volumes--about Blair and his knee and how good they think he is. For the money we spent on Douglas we couldve had Blair and Budinger.

Blair was a lottery pick that went 37. It has happened. I don't think that Douglas has lottery type talent.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 07-16-2009 4:13 PM]

Posted by Marv:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by rvwink:

"Douglas has been quick agile + strong with the ball but he does not look anything like an NBA rotation player. He is small at the hoop--he doesnt break guys off the dribble--doesnt get into the lane and so far his shot looks like mine. And for all of this he's a great defender hes looked porous and average. So we want to emphasize the positives and he can find the shooters on the wing and doesnt turn it over. His talent is light years from Jennings but at 29 you get what you pay for. Thats why we shouldve taken Blair."

Our summer team has played two games. Toney is breaking into running a new system, and clearly he has been told to focus on distributing the ball, which he is doing. Its seems nuts to me that you seem to be compelled to long term judgments on things like his shooting ability and even his ability to play defense. Don't you think it would be a good idea to wait until you have more information?

"His talent is light years from Jennings but at 29 you get what you pay for. Thats why we shouldve taken Blair."

First, The Knicks needed a point guard to replace Nat Robinson. Why would they need a player like DeJuan Blair. Second, while Jennings looks talented, he remains an unproven commodity. Third, you don't always get what you pay for. Occasionally, excellent players like Paul Millsap and David Lee are discovered in the late first and even second round. Fourth the prototype Center for D'Antoni's system is Amar'e Stoudemire. He stands 6'10 inches, runs well and shoots threes at about 43%. DeJuan stands 6'5" without sneakers and he is far better suited for the half court game. He has knee problems, average athleticism and his jump shot is also listed as one of his weaknesses, (DeJuan shoots free throws at 60.5 and Amar'e shoots free throws at 83.5.) If you were criticizing Walsh and D'Antoni for their draft pick, maybe you should reconsider?

rvwink--I like taking the best player available--to me Dejuan Blair was the best player available. I don't know that much about Blair's knees but I do know that the Spurs just gave him a three year guaranteed deal today. I feel the Spurs are a much better run organization that the Knicks in anyway and in every way---what they did speaks volumes--about Blair and his knee and how good they think he is. For the money we spent on Douglas we couldve had Blair and Budinger.

Blair was a lottery pick that went 37. It has happened. I don't think that Douglas has lottery type talent.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 07-16-2009 4:13 PM]

ha. they're f**king shot and everyone in the league knows it. that and the fact that he's short as s**t. briggy we all get mancrushes on certain players but when you get one you turn a total blind eye to all fact and rationality. blairstan!

Posted by Marv:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Marv:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by rvwink:

"Douglas has been quick agile + strong with the ball but he does not look anything like an NBA rotation player. He is small at the hoop--he doesnt break guys off the dribble--doesnt get into the lane and so far his shot looks like mine. And for all of this he's a great defender hes looked porous and average. So we want to emphasize the positives and he can find the shooters on the wing and doesnt turn it over. His talent is light years from Jennings but at 29 you get what you pay for. Thats why we shouldve taken Blair."

Our summer team has played two games. Toney is breaking into running a new system, and clearly he has been told to focus on distributing the ball, which he is doing. Its seems nuts to me that you seem to be compelled to long term judgments on things like his shooting ability and even his ability to play defense. Don't you think it would be a good idea to wait until you have more information?

"His talent is light years from Jennings but at 29 you get what you pay for. Thats why we shouldve taken Blair."

First, The Knicks needed a point guard to replace Nat Robinson. Why would they need a player like DeJuan Blair. Second, while Jennings looks talented, he remains an unproven commodity. Third, you don't always get what you pay for. Occasionally, excellent players like Paul Millsap and David Lee are discovered in the late first and even second round. Fourth the prototype Center for D'Antoni's system is Amar'e Stoudemire. He stands 6'10 inches, runs well and shoots threes at about 43%. DeJuan stands 6'5" without sneakers and he is far better suited for the half court game. He has knee problems, average athleticism and his jump shot is also listed as one of his weaknesses, (DeJuan shoots free throws at 60.5 and Amar'e shoots free throws at 83.5.) If you were criticizing Walsh and D'Antoni for their draft pick, maybe you should reconsider?

rvwink--I like taking the best player available--to me Dejuan Blair was the best player available. I don't know that much about Blair's knees but I do know that the Spurs just gave him a three year guaranteed deal today. I feel the Spurs are a much better run organization that the Knicks in anyway and in every way---what they did speaks volumes--about Blair and his knee and how good they think he is. For the money we spent on Douglas we couldve had Blair and Budinger.

Blair was a lottery pick that went 37. It has happened. I don't think that Douglas has lottery type talent.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 07-16-2009 4:13 PM]

ha. they're f**king shot and everyone in the league knows it. that and the fact that he's short as s**t. briggy we all get mancrushes on certain players but when you get one you turn a total blind eye to all fact and rationality. blairstan!

If that is true--I certainly didnt see it. I didnt see Blair miss games and I guess you missed where the Spurs just gave him 3 years guaranteed. I guess you know more than greg P?

No greg p never makes a mistake in the draft.

Except, of course for:

Goran Dragic
Giorgos Printezis
Marcus Williams (University of Arizona � ha!)
Tiago Splitter
Damir Markota
Ian Mahinmi
Sergei Karaulov
Randy Holcomb
Robertas Javtokas
Bryan Bracey
Chris Carrawell
Felipe Lopez
Derrick Dial
Dejuan Blair

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Marv:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Marv:

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by rvwink:

"Douglas has been quick agile + strong with the ball but he does not look anything like an NBA rotation player. He is small at the hoop--he doesnt break guys off the dribble--doesnt get into the lane and so far his shot looks like mine. And for all of this he's a great defender hes looked porous and average. So we want to emphasize the positives and he can find the shooters on the wing and doesnt turn it over. His talent is light years from Jennings but at 29 you get what you pay for. Thats why we shouldve taken Blair."

Our summer team has played two games. Toney is breaking into running a new system, and clearly he has been told to focus on distributing the ball, which he is doing. Its seems nuts to me that you seem to be compelled to long term judgments on things like his shooting ability and even his ability to play defense. Don't you think it would be a good idea to wait until you have more information?

"His talent is light years from Jennings but at 29 you get what you pay for. Thats why we shouldve taken Blair."

First, The Knicks needed a point guard to replace Nat Robinson. Why would they need a player like DeJuan Blair. Second, while Jennings looks talented, he remains an unproven commodity. Third, you don't always get what you pay for. Occasionally, excellent players like Paul Millsap and David Lee are discovered in the late first and even second round. Fourth the prototype Center for D'Antoni's system is Amar'e Stoudemire. He stands 6'10 inches, runs well and shoots threes at about 43%. DeJuan stands 6'5" without sneakers and he is far better suited for the half court game. He has knee problems, average athleticism and his jump shot is also listed as one of his weaknesses, (DeJuan shoots free throws at 60.5 and Amar'e shoots free throws at 83.5.) If you were criticizing Walsh and D'Antoni for their draft pick, maybe you should reconsider?

rvwink--I like taking the best player available--to me Dejuan Blair was the best player available. I don't know that much about Blair's knees but I do know that the Spurs just gave him a three year guaranteed deal today. I feel the Spurs are a much better run organization that the Knicks in anyway and in every way---what they did speaks volumes--about Blair and his knee and how good they think he is. For the money we spent on Douglas we couldve had Blair and Budinger.

Blair was a lottery pick that went 37. It has happened. I don't think that Douglas has lottery type talent.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 07-16-2009 4:13 PM]

ha. they're f**king shot and everyone in the league knows it. that and the fact that he's short as s**t. briggy we all get mancrushes on certain players but when you get one you turn a total blind eye to all fact and rationality. blairstan!

If that is true--I certainly didnt see it. I didnt see Blair miss games and I guess you missed where the Spurs just gave him 3 years guaranteed. I guess you know more than greg P?

No greg p never makes a mistake in the draft.

Except, of course for:

Goran Dragic
Giorgos Printezis
Marcus Williams (University of Arizona � ha!)
Tiago Splitter
Damir Markota
Ian Mahinmi
Sergei Karaulov
Randy Holcomb
Robertas Javtokas
Bryan Bracey
Chris Carrawell
Felipe Lopez
Derrick Dial
Dejuan Blair

How many of those guys got three year guaranteed contracts after 1 game? How many games have the Spurs won since he took over the show?

Posted by Marv:

Posted by Pharzeone:

Ha, if you have bad knees Marv has a problem with you but if you have a bad back he loves ya.

go argue with fish. he's just started 3 threads on gallo being an all-star

Posted by BRIGGS:

Its been kind of under the table but Derozan has played very well so far. No one talks about it but he's certainly lived up to his draft slot--maybe he was picked a few slots to low if you think about it.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Austin Daye is a 6-11 combo guard/forward--impossible for the Knicks to take him at 8--it's one of those things you give props to Joe Dumars--hes very good evaluating tall skinny skill players --you tip your hat


As far as our guys go I have seen some people down on JH but I am not one of them. I think if he played with a PG who can get into the lane and draw attention Hill will be dunking or hitting 6-8 footers.. He needs to add some base strength and while he is raw--he has very fair potential. If it's the Knicks plan to remove Lee and insert Hill-they will get worse. He's not ready for the big time--he's more of a guy I see who can be a 6-7 rotational man maybe first big off the bench.

Douglas has passed the ball well to shooters on the perimeter--he hasnt been able to break down defenses nor has he been able to have anything resembling an offensive output. If he cant do it here--it's likely that he is a third PG as of now--not ready for anything other than situational play. If I was the Knicks I would continue to monitor Marcus Williams very closely over the next 3 games. I feel he is a rotational NBA player and could thrive in this system--and we can get him dirt cheap. I really think he has upside surprise as well. If we cant trade for a PG we would have Duhon backed by Williams and Douglas as situational. Hopefully over the season both of the younger guys blossom in the system. I think the Knicks should call JC and do some serious due dilligence on Marcus before someone signs him. He can be had for cheap--the alternative is fighting to pay 6 mma year to Sessions and we simply cant pay Lee and another guy 14-15mm right now. Duhon played well last year--I think Williams and Douglas on the cheap could help him hold it down.

Morris Almond--what I have noticed with morris is he does not move around enough to get himself open for looks. for those of you looking for Kobe Bryant--thats not him. He's a 6-6 220 2G shooter with a nice stroke from 3. Hes a niche player and we play a system that utilize niche players like Morris. What I would do is work with him--he has the shot--he needs to be more active coming around screens and on the court in general.
Our SL has a whole is a low skill group.