Posted by rvwink:

"How did he shoot the ball?
How was his defense in the 4th Q?
How was he going to the basket?"

As I said before the game started, Toney didn't have to prove that he could score. He proved that throughout his college career. The supposed gurus who did the rating decided that because Toney had about 2.5 turnovers a game and 2.5 assists a game, he made bad judgments and was a poor passer. Toney had 11 assists and 0 turnovers and that was what he set out to achieve. Why grade him on what he didn't care about?

The fact that he didn't shoot well today means nothing imo. I am not saying he was an A. I am just saying he proved what he set out to prove. He was trying to play like a point guard, not a combo guard. Achieving what he tried to achieve is pass-fail. I say he passed. Give him time and he will distribute, defend, and score.

You're saying he proved he can score--against this level of competition? He was clearly over matched at the rim and his shot did not fall. Was he able to lockdown his man in the 4rth Q no--Williams physically overmatched him down the stretch.

He did not turn the ball over and looked strong and smart with the ball agile and quick running up the court. He played a very solid floor game but the shooting and defense were very poor.

guys...it was a pick up game. please re-visit this in november.

http://www.nba.com/summerleague2009/games/boxscore.jsp?gameId=1520900019

Ron Howard (4-9, 3-4 from the line) 11 pts 8 rebs 3assts 2stls 1 to.

guy is active and has a nice jumper.

Posted by McK1:

Posted by Paladin55:

Posted by McK1:

Posted by Paladin55:

Posted by McK1:

Douglas 2-13. He handled the ball decent and ended up with 10 assists but he didn't look to good creating separation for his shots and marcus williams even blocked his pull up. Oh well its only the SL's. On to game 2

His ability to score will come along.

The biggest question people had about Douglas was his ability to distribute and quarterback a team. He comes up with 11 assists and 0 turnovers, really looks confident as a distributor and ball handler, and you say he handled the ball "decent?" You lose almost all of your credibility with the use of that word for the way he handled the ball today.




I thought Islesfan was banned?



[Edited by - Paladin55 on 07-14-2009 8:26 PM]

assists came on majority long jump shots. how about how he orchestrated the break? care to tell how many transition points NY had.

They did not have many break opportunities, and you need some guys with you to dish on a break. He messed one up early, I think, although he did not turn it over.

He distributed the ball the way MDA likes it done. He also got the ball down low to Hill for a couple of baskets.

You make the assists that are available- and that is what he did today.

Who knows if he can play like this against the big guys, and his shooting has to, and should, get better, but I don't think that any of the young PGs drafted this year were as efficient at getting the ball to teammates with as few (0) turnovers.

A good start for a guy I never even considered us taking. Maybe we found a sleeper- who knows- but I was pretty happy with what he did today.

they had break opportunities, he pulled it back. not exactly what i was expecting from Nate's replacement.

Yup. Now I see where you are coming from.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by rvwink:

"How did he shoot the ball?
How was his defense in the 4th Q?
How was he going to the basket?"

As I said before the game started, Toney didn't have to prove that he could score. He proved that throughout his college career. The supposed gurus who did the rating decided that because Toney had about 2.5 turnovers a game and 2.5 assists a game, he made bad judgments and was a poor passer. Toney had 11 assists and 0 turnovers and that was what he set out to achieve. Why grade him on what he didn't care about?

The fact that he didn't shoot well today means nothing imo. I am not saying he was an A. I am just saying he proved what he set out to prove. He was trying to play like a point guard, not a combo guard. Achieving what he tried to achieve is pass-fail. I say he passed. Give him time and he will distribute, defend, and score.

You're saying he proved he can score--against this level of competition? He was clearly over matched at the rim and his shot did not fall. Was he able to lockdown his man in the 4rth Q no--Williams physically overmatched him down the stretch.

He did not turn the ball over and looked strong and smart with the ball agile and quick running up the court. He played a very solid floor game but the shooting and defense were very poor.

He gambled too much on D, instead of playing solid basic "stay in front of your man" D. I was surprised at some of his decision at the end of the game defensively. Poor decision making can, and should, be addressed by the coaching staff and watching films. He has the physical ability to play D, that was obvious.

Briggs- the guy had success with his jumper in college-if he has open shots it should eventually fall in the NBA.

He is not an over the rim finisher- this is really what annoys you the most- but he did draw some fouls, and showed some good extension on his drives. The shots he had blocked were just dumb shots (poor decisions)- also things that can be coached.

Posted by buddapaw:

Posted by McK1:

http://www.nba.com/summerleague2009/games/boxscore.jsp?gameId=1520900019

Ron Howard (4-9, 3-4 from the line) 11 pts 8 rebs 3assts 2stls 1 to.

guy is active and has a nice jumper.

The box score is fooling you, while decent stats, he attempted absolutely terrible shots with 5 minutes to go and essentially shot the Baby Knicks out of the game.

what are you talking about?

check the play by play. he took 2 shots in the fourth - layups: one was blocked and he missed a tip-back.

corr: 3 shots. he made a jumper.






[Edited by - McK1 on 07-14-2009 10:01 PM]

Posted by McK1:

Posted by buddapaw:

Posted by McK1:

http://www.nba.com/summerleague2009/games/boxscore.jsp?gameId=1520900019

Ron Howard (4-9, 3-4 from the line) 11 pts 8 rebs 3assts 2stls 1 to.

guy is active and has a nice jumper.

The box score is fooling you, while decent stats, he attempted absolutely terrible shots with 5 minutes to go and essentially shot the Baby Knicks out of the game.

what are you talking about?

check the play by play. he took 2 shots in the fourth - layups: one was blocked and he missed a tip-back.

corr: 3 shots. he made a jumper.






[Edited by - McK1 on 07-14-2009 10:01 PM]

My bad I got him mixed up with Hac.. I mean Acker

You know what? Hill is reminiscent of another guy... Who is it... Joe Smith! That's it. He puts one in mind of Joe Smith. I just thought of that.

Hill mightve looked a little better if he didnt try to take off the backboard on that 16 footer. He seemed to calm down and found a few soft spots deep in the lane and used nice touch. I think he was pretty good today. He calmed down and played better. Id like to push it with him and see him close to 20 FGA's next game. Douglas will need to learn how to get into the lane and set up big men with high% looks. A lot of his assists were dishes to long range shooters. I think he needs to help set up Hill better next game. Push Hill tomorrow--get him involved early and make sure he sets up deep. he needs reps.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Both of our guys get a C+. They showed some good--they showed some bad. No other way to call it. I would give Thabeet a D Carroll a C today and Young an F. Darrell Arthur was the best player--only player who deserved an A and while Marcus wasnt nearly the same guy as the other night-did take over the 4th Q and moved to a B.

thabeet gets an F... Or an S. The guy has stiff legs. He looked slow and played like a non roster invite

I watched the game...

1 - I was impressed with Douglas as far as some very fundamental things. He kept his dribble no matter what and his head up a la Nash. The 11 ast, 0 TO was nice. I think he will eventually get shots off in the same way Duhon does, meaning he'll take them when he's wide open. He looks OK. Nice backup PG in a Fisher mold. I was hoping we'd roll the dice with Beaubois who sounds like he has more upside, but what I saw was comforting at least.

2 - Ron Howard can go direct some more movies. They kept talking about this guy, how smart he is and I didn't see any of that on the floor.

3 - Sene is raw. However, he has a real idea of what he is and what he wants to do on defense. I thought he had a real impact on the game blocking and altering shots and keeping people out of the paint in general. Even if he played bit minutes for the Knicks he could have value.

4 - 'Skita looks like an average player. I'm sure he could help us, but I'm not sure what the end game is. Unless Donnie thinks we can make him look like a serious asset then he's just taking up a roster spot.

5 - Hill looks just like Wilcox and that's not what I wanted to see. We could have just resigned Wilcox and taken another player in the draft.

6 - Crawford does something that none of the Knicks do. He drives to the basket and gets to the line.

7 - Carter is an interesting player from a potential perspective. Dude's a beast, but he's got no shot at the moment. D-League guy for sure.

8 - Where was Noel and Korolev?