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McK1
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7/7/2009  5:08 PM
MDA must believe he was a bounce here and there from the playoffs. Phil Jackson thinks otherwise lol
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7/7/2009  5:33 PM
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We are not deep at the 2. How about rodney carney? He can run jump and hit 3's. Minny renounced him. Low risk high reward gamble.

Carney failed in Philly & Minny. Low risk high reward but low possibility of reward high possibility of failure. Your plan seems to be to load up on young cheap available players giving them mins and hope that they develop into good players that way. That mins alone is going to turn them into good players. Id rather give the mins you would want to give to Carney to Chandler & Hill or Douglas at the 2 guard anyway.

Ive never seen that work on any full blown rebuilding team. If we really want to develop our players we would sign a guy like Hill. He could teach them intangible things like what to look for and how to break down game film and things like that. Try to see the game how he would see it.

sounds like hill should be on the coaching staff or somewhere doing player development

I can't recall one example where a rebuilding team decided to use its MLE on an over-36 vet? every team I've ever seen blow it up pawned off as many vets as they could and stockpiled young cheap talent.

Why when you could pay him 2.5mil and not only get coaching from him but also get double digit pts, 4-5rebs, 3-4asist to go along with 50% shooting and 80+% ft shooting. You get coaching and production.

Besides when the alternative is Rodney Carney id take my chances with Hill.

If Kwame Brown played half as good as what he was supposed to bring to the table. They would have made the playoffs with ease.

rodney carney isn't the alternative. young cheap to mle priced talent is the alternative. trying to squeeze the last bit of juice out of hill will produce what tangible results for 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014...?

all this talk of hill improving the younger players by his presence on the team is pure speculation and wishful thinking

as far as Kwame goes: if that if was a fifth....
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7/7/2009  5:35 PM
Posted by McK1:

all this talk of hill improving the younger players by his presence on the team is pure speculation and wishful thinking

apparently you have never played on a sports team at a high level. Teams and high potential individuals NEED guys like Hill to get them over the mediocre hump.
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7/7/2009  5:40 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by McK1:

all this talk of hill improving the younger players by his presence on the team is pure speculation and wishful thinking

apparently you have never played on a sports team at a high level. Teams and high potential individuals NEED guys like Hill to get them over the mediocre hump.

{Laugh] I give MCK credit, he refuses to back down on this one. He'll be dammned, if we give a one year deal to consummate professional
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7/7/2009  5:42 PM
Any acquisition of Grant Hill makes Larry Hughes redundant.

Donnie Walsh has added numbers to the frontcourt. Bring on the auditions for guard.

I can live with a shiftline of the experienced Hill and the neophyte Douglas in the backcourt.





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7/7/2009  5:45 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by martin:
Posted by McK1:

all this talk of hill improving the younger players by his presence on the team is pure speculation and wishful thinking

apparently you have never played on a sports team at a high level. Teams and high potential individuals NEED guys like Hill to get them over the mediocre hump.

{Laugh] I give MCK credit, he refuses to back down on this one. He'll be dammned, if we give a one year deal to consummate professional

it's that 2.5% of the salary cap and 10-15 minutes split between SG and SF that will make us suffer!

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7/7/2009  6:01 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by McK1:

all this talk of hill improving the younger players by his presence on the team is pure speculation and wishful thinking

apparently you have never played on a sports team at a high level. Teams and high potential individuals NEED guys like Hill to get them over the mediocre hump.

not beyond high school. then there was the military in my mid 20's. My own personal experience with being a part of a TEAM is the first step starts from with-in and getting over the hump was inspired by strong leadership from the coach/CO. If you don't believe in the person in charge your peers regardless of age or experience aren't going to be much of a factor in your development.

as far as the Knicks go, to say they NEED a guy like 37 yr old Hill on the court implies there are no guys on the roster who have the make-up to step up and take charge of the situation. I disagree. Adding Hill just diverts attention from the real problem at hand which is MDA's ability to lead.

Nate should've got a shot at lead guard when it was clear Duhon was unfit to perform midway thru the season.

Harrington should've been demoted following the 2nd hanging on the rim tech.

everyon here applauded him on how he handled the Marbury situation when there really wasn't a situation to begin with. The things that actually brought the team down went neglected and unresolved.


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7/7/2009  6:08 PM
We're talking about 25-30 minutes that will come mostly at Hughes, Nate's and Harrington's expense. Also, as Markji pointed out, this makes it easier on the team if they get an offer for Harrington before the trade deadline by a team making a playoff run.
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7/7/2009  6:33 PM
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by martin:
Posted by McK1:

all this talk of hill improving the younger players by his presence on the team is pure speculation and wishful thinking

apparently you have never played on a sports team at a high level. Teams and high potential individuals NEED guys like Hill to get them over the mediocre hump.

{Laugh] I give MCK credit, he refuses to back down on this one. He'll be dammned, if we give a one year deal to consummate professional

I'm not against signing a consummate pro. Can't Walsh find one in the 20-30 age group?
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7/7/2009  6:35 PM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by martin:
Posted by McK1:

all this talk of hill improving the younger players by his presence on the team is pure speculation and wishful thinking

apparently you have never played on a sports team at a high level. Teams and high potential individuals NEED guys like Hill to get them over the mediocre hump.

{Laugh] I give MCK credit, he refuses to back down on this one. He'll be dammned, if we give a one year deal to consummate professional

I'm not against signing a consummate pro. Can't Walsh find one in the 20-30 age group?

not for one year at the MLE.
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7/7/2009  6:42 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by McK1:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by martin:
Posted by McK1:

all this talk of hill improving the younger players by his presence on the team is pure speculation and wishful thinking

apparently you have never played on a sports team at a high level. Teams and high potential individuals NEED guys like Hill to get them over the mediocre hump.

{Laugh] I give MCK credit, he refuses to back down on this one. He'll be dammned, if we give a one year deal to consummate professional

I'm not against signing a consummate pro. Can't Walsh find one in the 20-30 age group?

not for one year at the MLE.

besides which, who cares about the age of the player. We are talking about experience, character, etc.
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7/7/2009  7:04 PM
Character?

Walsh traded for Harrington and Hughes and signed Duhon.

Duhon's character was very much in question on his way out of Chicago:
Guard Chris Duhon, who was benched for the Bulls' game against the Detroit Pistons Sunday for missing the team's morning shootaround, was disciplined a second time by general manager John Paxson for making flip comments about the punishment.

It's unclear what action Paxson took Monday, but Duhon was on the inactive list for a second straight game Tuesday when Chicago faced the Utah Jazz.

"That's a coach's decision," interim coach Jim Boylan said when asked if Duhon was still being punished for missing the shootaround.

During Sunday's telecast, it was revealed that Duhon had not received permission to attend Saturday's college basketball game between his alma mater, Duke, and North Carolina. He reportedly slept through the shootaround.

"I did meet with Chris," Paxson said, according to the Chicago Sun-Times. "We obviously talked it out."

Duhon's benching comes on the heels of a two-game suspension for Tyrus Thomas for an unexcused absence from practice. Rookie center Aaron Gray reportedly had words with Boylan recently. And Joakim Noah was suspended earlier in this disappointing Bulls season.

"Obviously when things go badly, they go badly," Paxson said, according to the Sun-Times. "I'm disappointed in what happened in the last couple of weeks, but … I've dealt with it the way I feel was right and we'll move on from there."

Duhon's response to the benching may have led to the second discipline.

"I don't play anyway, so it doesn't have that much of an effect on me," Duhon said, according to the Sun-Times.



age matters because hill is at an age players begin retiring which makes him a band-aid on the "leadership void." With Walsh all-in on 2010 this year is another throw away year in terms of winning; challenge the guys the organization has invested assets in to step up and fill it. Stop bringing in mercs like Harrington Hughes and Hill. I would think we'd want/need to know what he have in terms of leadership heading into the next decade prior to the 2010 summer if Walsh plans on wooing a franchise player via free agency.
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7/7/2009  7:23 PM
I'll feel a lot better with Grant Hill here, knowing the locker room is being patrolled.
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7/8/2009  5:34 AM
Chandler for Rubio trade next?
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7/8/2009  5:41 AM
http://www.nypost.com/seven/07082009/sports/knicks/knicks_cross_fingers_for_hill_178182.htm
KNICKS CROSS FINGERS FOR HILL
By MARC BERMAN
Donnie Walsh said he's "hopeful" Grant Hill will select the Knicks today after Monday's nine-hour visit to New York.

The Suns small forward, who's enjoying a rebirth to his career, is weighing whether he wants to help a Knicks rebirth. His other choices are staying in Phoenix or going to Boston for a chance at a championship.

The Knicks believe a decision might come today -- the first day of the free-agent signing period. The Knicks could hit the trifecta, bagging Hill, forcing an out-of-options David Lee to re-sign at a lower rate and getting Nate Robinson to accept a one-year, $2.8 million qualifying offer.

Walsh talked with Hill's agent yesterday about contract parameters after giving them a verbal offer for an unidentified portion of the mid-level exception, expected to be announced today at $5.8M.

According to a source, the Knicks have told Hill he would be a starter, an important issue for Hill. Wilson Chandler would move to shooting guard.

"Whenever he's ready," Walsh said. "He's mulling it over, dealing with his agent. I'm sure he'll tell us one way or another. You've got to give him time to think about it. Sometimes it's all about money. Sometimes it's other factors involved. So I don't feel super confident about anyone."

Sources said Hill is hesitant about picking up and leaving Phoenix, where his kids attend school. Phoenix is expected to offer him about $2M.

"It's always hard to leave a place he's in," Walsh said. "The CBA [collective bargaining agreement] is set up to help them."

The Celtics have used their mid-level exception and can offer Hill only the $1.9M lower exception. If Walsh's offer is half of the mid-level -- $2.9M -- the Knicks have Boston and Phoenix beat. Phoenix could raise its offer.

"I like to see these kind of guys on our team," Walsh said. "They can help us in a lot of ways -- good people as well as good players."

Hill, 36, played for Mike D'Antoni and Knicks assistants Phil Webber and Dan D'Antoni in Phoenix two years ago. The coaching staff likes his versatility and feels he can guard four positions. They also feel, because he missed four years while healing from a career-threatening ankle injury, he has relatively low mileage. Hill played all 82 games last year for the first time in his career.

"We made sure to make him understand that wherever he's been, he can have the same possibilities here," Walsh said.

The Knicks are in the driver's seat with Lee. Only Portland is far enough under the cap to sign Lee and is hesitant to offer him $10 million a year. Walsh can match any offer. Agent Mark Bartelstein is talking to several teams about sign-and-trades, but the Knicks aren't that interested.

"We haven't gotten to a workable place," Walsh said. "We wanted to see if an offer was coming in and I don't know if there will be."

Robinson could be in the same boat despite drawing interest from the Lakers, Magic, Bulls, Trail Blazers and Kings.
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7/8/2009  7:48 AM
like the offer is one year at $5mm or 3 years and $10mm

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7/8/2009  8:18 AM
I hope it's the 1 year. We can always re-sign him if it works out. I don't like giving Hill 3 years for you never know when his luck will run out.

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The Knicks offered free-agent forward Grant Hill two contract options during a meeting in New York earlier this week.

According to sources, the Knicks offered Hill the option of a one-year, $5 million deal or a three-year, $10 million deal.

Hill said last week that he wants to be "fairly compensated" after finishing a two-year, $3.8 million contract with the Suns.

The Knicks became aggressive in their pursuit of Hill once Jason Kidd came off the market.
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Posted by fishmike:

like the offer is one year at $5mm or 3 years and $10mm

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/sports/articles/2009/07/07/20090707sunshill0708.html

Just noticed that and I actually think he is going to take the 3 years @ 10 million. That won't hurt our salary cap and what we get in return is nice. HE is a very very good player (low mileage on his body, remember he didn't play for like 3 or 4 years) and a GREAT locker room presence). To those that think locker room presences aren't enough, than I say you never played on a sports team. It's like having another coach (or psychologist - Which is great as the game is often a mind one.).

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7/8/2009  8:35 AM
I agree with Cosmic that I hope he takes one year. If he takes three years, I hope they give him the mid level max the first year and the balance of the $10 million over the next two years.
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7/8/2009  8:38 AM
Anyone think that if Grant does indeed come here on a multi-year deal or something to that affect, that he believes/knows that the Knicks are going to be a hotbed for FA next season?
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