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nyk4ever
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7/1/2009  9:10 AM
Posted by VDesai:

If the Knicks let Lee walk I guarantee they are getting Lebron.

If he walks I'll believe it when I see it. I don't see a way where a team offers him so much that he leaves NYK

You got a great point, V.
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7/1/2009  9:11 AM
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by Pharzeone:
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Apparently we just offered Lee 4 years 32M - take it or go sign an offer sheet.

link please.

A team source claims the Knicks will offer Lee a four-year deal worth $32 million, which is below his asking price of $10 million per season. The Knicks have the right to match any offer given to Lee, as well as Robinson, but the club wants to remain fiscally responsible as it pertains to the summer of 2010.

If Lee doesn't take that deal than good riddance.
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7/1/2009  9:17 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Cosmic:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Cosmic:

Apparently we just offered Lee 4 years 32M - take it or go sign an offer sheet.

link please.

A team source claims the Knicks will offer Lee a four-year deal worth $32 million, which is below his asking price of $10 million per season. The Knicks have the right to match any offer given to Lee, as well as Robinson, but the club wants to remain fiscally responsible as it pertains to the summer of 2010.

If Lee doesn't take that deal than good riddance.

I wouldn't even offer him that. Why break the bank for a guy whose stats mean as much as Shareef Abdur Rahim's stats meant?
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7/1/2009  9:21 AM
Let's see what happens when a S+T is possible and can be announced, I highly doubt we let Lee and Nate walk for nothing - it is possible, but if Walsh thought that was going to happen he would have traded them.

The rumor mill has been in full effect since the draft, so lets not get over excited about things that may or may not be true.
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7/1/2009  9:24 AM
Posted by franco12:

I'm ok losing Lee for nothing. I appreciate that a line has been drawn and its firm and there is no plan to overpay.

To give him $10mm is to tie up a significant portion of the cap to a player who, while really good, is not great.

I'm tired of complaining about guys getting overpaid. If we lose Lee because he got too large of an offer, then good luck and we held our ground.

I think this is right. I don't think people would complain about JJ at $4m per year. This mentality about paying a couple extra mill for a "Knick" is how we got into the Allan Houston cap-tastrophe. AND we haven't lost Lee for "nothing"-- we would get back salary cap space. You need to credit walsh with the player signed with that cap space.

Think about this... Toronto is offering Marion $21 over 3 years... thats $7m per year...I'd rather have Marion at $7m than Lee, though I like Chandler at $5m less just as much.

Everyone hypes the numbers that make Lee a double double, but the numbers that pay for the double double are just as important in this NBA.
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7/1/2009  9:29 AM
Posted by EwingsGlass:
Posted by franco12:

I'm ok losing Lee for nothing. I appreciate that a line has been drawn and its firm and there is no plan to overpay.

To give him $10mm is to tie up a significant portion of the cap to a player who, while really good, is not great.

I'm tired of complaining about guys getting overpaid. If we lose Lee because he got too large of an offer, then good luck and we held our ground.

I think this is right. I don't think people would complain about JJ at $4m per year. This mentality about paying a couple extra mill for a "Knick" is how we got into the Allan Houston cap-tastrophe. AND we haven't lost Lee for "nothing"-- we would get back salary cap space. You need to credit walsh with the player signed with that cap space.

Think about this... Toronto is offering Marion $21 over 3 years... thats $7m per year...I'd rather have Marion at $7m than Lee, though I like Chandler at $5m less just as much.

Everyone hypes the numbers that make Lee a double double, but the numbers that pay for the double double are just as important in this NBA.

Word. And by all accounts Jordan Hill is a hustle player that blocks shots and has a jumper... so given time he may become an improved version of David Lee, so that renders him a little less valuable as well. Like you said with Chandler/Marion, I'm more than happy with Hill for 7 or 8 million less than Lee
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7/1/2009  9:32 AM
I haven't said much here in this thread but it was only a few months ago where we were discussing letting Lee walk and posters were saying that Donnie is a shark and he would get assets back, there would be under the table draft day trades involving future S&T, hush hush type of things yada yada yada. Some posters said it would be horrible mismanagement of assets and even some suggesting it was a fireable offense if the guy just walks. Is that opinion still held and if not why the change? Just curious.
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7/1/2009  12:00 PM
This depends on if David Lee wants to screw us or not. A 5yr deal starting at 7 million front loaded is going to eat almost 9 million in 2010 salary.
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7/1/2009  12:02 PM
my whole point is not about lee specifically but how the knicks finally get a young player they drafted and is actually a good piece, but is being shown the door after years of knicks fans clamoring for a player just like him.
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7/1/2009  12:02 PM
Lee would not be walking for nothing.....He would be walking for cap space which at this point is more valuable than Lee.

Sure, I would loved it if Walsh could ave traded him at the deadline, but what kind of leverage did Walsh have? Lee had the option to walk at seasons end. Who was going to give up anything for a player that was going to walk?
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7/1/2009  12:05 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

my whole point is not about lee specifically but how the knicks finally get a young player they drafted and is actually a good piece, but is being shown the door after years of knicks fans clamoring for a player just like him.
Since when is being offered $8 mil per the equivalent of being shown the door? What does he think he deserves? the same pay as Duncan and KG?
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7/1/2009  12:05 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by djsunyc:

my whole point is not about lee specifically but how the knicks finally get a young player they drafted and is actually a good piece, but is being shown the door after years of knicks fans clamoring for a player just like him.
Since when is being offered $8 mil per the equivalent of being shown the door? What does he think he deserves? the same pay as Duncan and KG?

i'm talking about knicks fans and how they talk about the player.
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7/1/2009  12:08 PM
Same as Biedrins or a Bobby Simmons the guys you metioned make twice as much as he wants
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7/1/2009  12:11 PM
hey it's all about the situation we’re in. to wait 1 more year and then have maximum resources available to offer to more than i key free agent and then build around them - or commit to david now and cut back on those resources - i gotta go with the free agents.
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7/1/2009  12:13 PM
Posted by King1:

Same as Biedrins or a Bobby Simmons the guys you metioned make twice as much as he wants

1) Simmons is overpaid by a lot 2) Biedrins plays defense and is a better offensive player. Their rebounding skills are comparable, though Lee gets the edge. Lee would be lucky to get what Biedrins gets.

Toronto is offering Marion $7M. For $7M, would you rather have Marion or Lee?
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7/1/2009  12:17 PM
What team exactly is going to pay David Lee 10mm--if Oklahoma actually offers Millsap 8-9mm per the only team left is Memphis. Lee will be a Knick
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7/1/2009  12:21 PM
Posted by King1:

Same as Biedrins or a Bobby Simmons the guys you metioned make twice as much as he wants

He wants $10 mil/year. They make $20 mil/year?
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7/1/2009  12:22 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by djsunyc:

my whole point is not about lee specifically but how the knicks finally get a young player they drafted and is actually a good piece, but is being shown the door after years of knicks fans clamoring for a player just like him.
Since when is being offered $8 mil per the equivalent of being shown the door? What does he think he deserves? the same pay as Duncan and KG?

i'm talking about knicks fans and how they talk about the player.

Well I think you're getting the wrong impression of the fans who post here then.
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7/1/2009  12:31 PM
Biedrins makes $9 million a year - http://hoopshype.com/salaries/golden_state.htm
He's better defensively than Lee and as good a rebounder, but not as good an offensive player as Lee.
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7/1/2009  12:38 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by King1:

So let me get this straight the Knicks won 9 more games because MDA was the coach. Lee stats were inflated because of MDA but Lee being a bad defensive player and the Knicks being gross is the players fault and not MDA. There is a reason why MDA didnt win in Phoenix
MDA didnt win in Phoenix? Yea... and Lee didnt win in Florida and there's a reason for that also. I guess the Gators just needed Lee to move on so they could win a couple of titles eh?

I like and have always liked Lee. But you have to look at where the Knicks are and what makes sense. Lee is not a good value at $9-$10mm for the Knicks. He just isnt. I also think MDA soured on him a bit late in the season. Several times I saw the coach throw his hands up in disgust when Lee clearly missed a defensive assignment or simply didnt defend his man. It got to the point where he was a liability late in games.

I hope he comes back with a reasonable (and tradable) contract. But if the Thunder want to pay him $10mm than he and his girlfriend can enjoy all the excitement Oklahoma City has to offer.

What the Knicks will miss most is Lee's passing

$9 mil is not good but $8 mil is? really?
Bye Lee

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